Save Our Schools March: a teacher revolt against Obama education reform

[BDBoop]

Save Our Schools March: a teacher revolt against Obama education reform - CSMonitor.com

Passionate and articulate, many of them classroom teachers, the critics tend to zero in on the increasingly high-stakes role played by standardized tests, which can make or break the reputation of a school or teacher – even if the tests aren't very good.

"What we call 'accountability' now is just totally unreliable numbers that are meaningless in terms of the lives of children and the careers of teachers," says Diane Ravitch, a historian and former advocate of standards-based reforms who is now one of its most frequent and ardent critics. "All they're doing is terrorizing teachers."

We have any educators in the house?

 

[psikeyhackr]

Does that mean they like NCLB?

Obama did not start that crap.

Why haven't the teachers suggested a National Recommended Reading List in the last 50 years?

The Tyranny of Words by Stuart Chase
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9H1StY1nU8]‪"The Tyranny of Words"‬‏ - YouTube[/ame]

Cost of Living by Sheckley Robert
"Cost of Living" by Sheckley Robert Free Download. The book is added by Weavrmom (California) Read online books at OnRead.com.

Subversive by Reynolds Mack
"Subversive" by Reynolds Mack Free Download. The book is added by K. Havard (Texas) Read online books at OnRead.com.

The Space Merchants Frederick Pohl and Cyril Kornbluth
space merchants - book review for zone-sf.com

How much of the problem is the educational system giving kids boring useless crap to learn? Then testing to see how much boring useless crap they memorized. Really SMART students are so good at memorizing boring useless crap.

psik

 

[Truthmatters]

But the right hates teachers and blamed them at every point they could for our schools mess.


Now testing drafted under Bush is Obamas fault?

 

[Two Thumbs]

Just more blather from unions imo.

How dare anyone demand teachers have an acceptable level of capability and maintaine that thier entire careers?

Libs hate the Bush standards and therefore must hate all our children.

Libs support the DoE and since it's creation or level of education has declined. Further proving libs hate children.

Party, government and unions ahead of children.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Just more blather from unions imo.

How dare anyone demand teachers have an acceptable level of capability and maintaine that thier entire careers?

Libs hate the Bush standards and therefore must hate all our children.

Libs support the DoE and since it's creation or level of education has declined. Further proving libs hate children.

Party, government and unions ahead of children.

Results are so gauche.

 

[Annie]

The teachers aren't complaining about NCLB or even standardized testing exclusively. It's some particular problems with 'reforms' from Arne Duncan and the administration as a whole.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The Left has succeeding in making sure our kids can't think and have no connection with their past or their country, does it really matter if they can read or write after that?

 

[Truthmatters]

The teachers aren't complaining about NCLB or even standardized testing exclusively. It's some particular problems with 'reforms' from Arne Duncan and the administration as a whole.

why are you lying about what they said in the article?


Passionate and articulate, many of them classroom teachers, the critics tend to zero in on the increasingly high-stakes role played by standardized tests, which can make or break the reputation of a school or teacher – even if the tests aren't very good.

"What we call 'accountability' now is just totally unreliable numbers that are meaningless in terms of the lives of children and the careers of teachers," says Diane Ravitch, a historian and former advocate of standards-based reforms who is now one of its most frequent and ardent critics. "All they're doing is terrorizing teachers."

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Educat...teacher-revolt-against-Obama-education-reform

 

[Si modo]

The teachers aren't complaining about NCLB or even standardized testing exclusively. It's some particular problems with 'reforms' from Arne Duncan and the administration as a whole.

why are you lying about what they said in the article?
....

Look up the word 'exclusively'.


Moron.

 

[Annie]

The teachers aren't complaining about NCLB or even standardized testing exclusively. It's some particular problems with 'reforms' from Arne Duncan and the administration as a whole.

why are you lying about what they said in the article?


Passionate and articulate, many of them classroom teachers, the critics tend to zero in on the increasingly high-stakes role played by standardized tests, which can make or break the reputation of a school or teacher – even if the tests aren't very good.

"What we call 'accountability' now is just totally unreliable numbers that are meaningless in terms of the lives of children and the careers of teachers," says Diane Ravitch, a historian and former advocate of standards-based reforms who is now one of its most frequent and ardent critics. "All they're doing is terrorizing teachers."

Save Our Schools March: a teacher revolt against Obama education reform - CSMonitor.com

F off and look up the modifier used in my post. God you are so dim.

 

[Si modo]

The teachers aren't complaining about NCLB or even standardized testing exclusively. It's some particular problems with 'reforms' from Arne Duncan and the administration as a whole.

why are you lying about what they said in the article?


Passionate and articulate, many of them classroom teachers, the critics tend to zero in on the increasingly high-stakes role played by standardized tests, which can make or break the reputation of a school or teacher – even if the tests aren't very good.

"What we call 'accountability' now is just totally unreliable numbers that are meaningless in terms of the lives of children and the careers of teachers," says Diane Ravitch, a historian and former advocate of standards-based reforms who is now one of its most frequent and ardent critics. "All they're doing is terrorizing teachers."

Save Our Schools March: a teacher revolt against Obama education reform - CSMonitor.com

F off and look up the modifier used in my post. God you are so dim.

Dammit. Now she is going to have to look up what 'modifier' means, too.

 

[Foxfyre]

NCLB was not a bad idea and it has yielded some good results, most especially among minority students. The fallacy is that it applies a one-size-fits-all solution to education that does not allow for cultural differences and has the nasty unintended effect of sometimes punishing schools that actually are improving and doing better for the kids. And some teachers hate having to teach to a test that allows for no flexibility or innovation in the classroom. It illustrates why the federal government is one of the poorest choices for how education should be accomplished.

And, NCLB does not address the issue of the public education system being used as much for social engineering as it is used to educate the children in real subjects.

Once a more liberal element took over in Congress and now the White House, there was no effort to dismantle NCLB because federal control of education is important, desirable, even critical to accomplish goals which is of course includes a society that will embrace liberal goals.

Not only would we save huge amounts of money, but we could improve education overnight by returning control to the local communities and school boards. We would of course still have piss poor schools but we do anyway. But at least it would give us a chance to also have great public schools again.

 

[Oddball]

The teachers aren't complaining about NCLB or even standardized testing exclusively. It's some particular problems with 'reforms' from Arne Duncan and the administration as a whole.

why are you lying about what they said in the article?


Passionate and articulate, many of them classroom teachers, the critics tend to zero in on the increasingly high-stakes role played by standardized tests, which can make or break the reputation of a school or teacher – even if the tests aren't very good.

"What we call 'accountability' now is just totally unreliable numbers that are meaningless in terms of the lives of children and the careers of teachers," says Diane Ravitch, a historian and former advocate of standards-based reforms who is now one of its most frequent and ardent critics. "All they're doing is terrorizing teachers."

Save Our Schools March: a teacher revolt against Obama education reform - CSMonitor.com

F off and look up the modifier used in my post. God you are so dim.

Another shining product of gubmint schooling.

 

[Truthmatters]

The teachers aren't complaining about NCLB or even standardized testing exclusively. It's some particular problems with 'reforms' from Arne Duncan and the administration as a whole.

why are you lying about what they said in the article?


Passionate and articulate, many of them classroom teachers, the critics tend to zero in on the increasingly high-stakes role played by standardized tests, which can make or break the reputation of a school or teacher – even if the tests aren't very good.

"What we call 'accountability' now is just totally unreliable numbers that are meaningless in terms of the lives of children and the careers of teachers," says Diane Ravitch, a historian and former advocate of standards-based reforms who is now one of its most frequent and ardent critics. "All they're doing is terrorizing teachers."

Save Our Schools March: a teacher revolt against Obama education reform - CSMonitor.com

F off and look up the modifier used in my post. God you are so dim.

Why dont you post the part of the article that says what you claim?

 

[Annie]

why are you lying about what they said in the article?


Passionate and articulate, many of them classroom teachers, the critics tend to zero in on the increasingly high-stakes role played by standardized tests, which can make or break the reputation of a school or teacher – even if the tests aren't very good.

"What we call 'accountability' now is just totally unreliable numbers that are meaningless in terms of the lives of children and the careers of teachers," says Diane Ravitch, a historian and former advocate of standards-based reforms who is now one of its most frequent and ardent critics. "All they're doing is terrorizing teachers."

Save Our Schools March: a teacher revolt against Obama education reform - CSMonitor.com

F off and look up the modifier used in my post. God you are so dim.

Why dont you post the part of the article that says what you claim?

Why don't you? For that matter, why don't you refrain from posting until you learn to read?

 

[Si modo]

why are you lying about what they said in the article?


Passionate and articulate, many of them classroom teachers, the critics tend to zero in on the increasingly high-stakes role played by standardized tests, which can make or break the reputation of a school or teacher – even if the tests aren't very good.

"What we call 'accountability' now is just totally unreliable numbers that are meaningless in terms of the lives of children and the careers of teachers," says Diane Ravitch, a historian and former advocate of standards-based reforms who is now one of its most frequent and ardent critics. "All they're doing is terrorizing teachers."

Save Our Schools March: a teacher revolt against Obama education reform - CSMonitor.com

F off and look up the modifier used in my post. God you are so dim.

Why dont you post the part of the article that says what you claim?

She didn't have to.

Moron.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Save Our Schools March: a teacher revolt against Obama education reform - CSMonitor.com

Passionate and articulate, many of them classroom teachers, the critics tend to zero in on the increasingly high-stakes role played by standardized tests, which can make or break the reputation of a school or teacher – even if the tests aren't very good.

"What we call 'accountability' now is just totally unreliable numbers that are meaningless in terms of the lives of children and the careers of teachers," says Diane Ravitch, a historian and former advocate of standards-based reforms who is now one of its most frequent and ardent critics. "All they're doing is terrorizing teachers."

We have any educators in the house?

I have a number of problems with the article:
1. "the increasingly high-stakes role played by standardized tests, which can make or break the reputation of a school or teacher – even if the tests aren't very good."
An excellent example of begging the question...." if the tests aren't very good..."
a) make the tests better
b) what if the tests are good, and identify weaknesses in student, teachers, and/or curriculum?

2. "What we call 'accountability' now is just totally unreliable numbers that are meaningless ...."
Of course this is not the case. I'm surprised at Ms. Ravitch.

3. "All they're doing is terrorizing teachers."
Misplaced criticism. Teachers, for the most part, love their students...and everyone would like to be viewed as doing a wonderful job.
The terrorizing is due to the curriculum, and done by the educrats who run the system. Get the political correctness out of the schools.

4. "Attaching so much importance to tests, say such critics, is leading to unintended consequences – including cheating..."
Wrong.
This is the same kind of argument that says that guns kill people. No, weak character and a criminal nature are behind both.

5. "... ignore the higher-thinking skills ..."
Total 'progressive' nonsense, as proven by the work of E. D. Hirsch, jr.
see E. D. Hirsch’s Curriculum for Democracy
A content-rich pedagogy makes better citizens and smarter kids.
E. D. Hirsch’s Curriculum for Democracy by Sol Stern, City Journal Autumn 2009

There are more problems with the article, but let me present a real expert, Chester Finn, who wrote about the history of educational reform, and his views for future reform.

The following from “Troublemaker,” by Chester E. Finn, Jr. Former Assistant Secretary of Education under President Reagan.


1. Many educators believe that external standards threaten to damage children’s fragile self-esteem. They excuse poor performance as the result of some psychic or emotional deficit in the learner, not as a consequence of low expectations, poor instruction, or laziness. A caring, but misguided view.

a. Research demonstrates that true self-esteem arise from true achievement, and also shows that kids with the highest self-esteem, particularly minority youngsters, often show distressingly low achievement levels as well as sundry pathologies.

2. Reform is a tripod, with the following as its supports: a). standards, b). assessment, and c). incentives.

a. Standards must be subject by subject, and grade by grade.

b. Tests . “Teaching to the test” is deplored in education circles, although that complaint is easily answered: if the test faithfully mirrors the skills and knowledge set out in the standards, then preparing one’s pupils to ace such a test is an honorable mission!

c. Accountability, based on the incentives that are provided for performance. And the sanctions for nonperformance, with a system that fairly apportions responsibility.


Item 2b above speaks to the question of tests.

 

[Two Thumbs]

NCLB was not a bad idea and it has yielded some good results, most especially among minority students. The fallacy is that it applies a one-size-fits-all solution to education that does not allow for cultural differences and has the nasty unintended effect of sometimes punishing schools that actually are improving and doing better for the kids. And some teachers hate having to teach to a test that allows for no flexibility or innovation in the classroom. It illustrates why the federal government is one of the poorest choices for how education should be accomplished.

And, NCLB does not address the issue of the public education system being used as much for social engineering as it is used to educate the children in real subjects.

Once a more liberal element took over in Congress and now the White House, there was no effort to dismantle NCLB because federal control of education is important, desirable, even critical to accomplish goals which is of course includes a society that will embrace liberal goals.

Not only would we save huge amounts of money, but we could improve education overnight by returning control to the local communities and school boards. We would of course still have piss poor schools but we do anyway. But at least it would give us a chance to also have great public schools again.

But but but

Central planning is the end all be all of great ideas!!

Just as any Cuban, Russian, Chinease or North Korean.

 

[Foxfyre]

NCLB was not a bad idea and it has yielded some good results, most especially among minority students. The fallacy is that it applies a one-size-fits-all solution to education that does not allow for cultural differences and has the nasty unintended effect of sometimes punishing schools that actually are improving and doing better for the kids. And some teachers hate having to teach to a test that allows for no flexibility or innovation in the classroom. It illustrates why the federal government is one of the poorest choices for how education should be accomplished.

And, NCLB does not address the issue of the public education system being used as much for social engineering as it is used to educate the children in real subjects.

Once a more liberal element took over in Congress and now the White House, there was no effort to dismantle NCLB because federal control of education is important, desirable, even critical to accomplish goals which is of course includes a society that will embrace liberal goals.

Not only would we save huge amounts of money, but we could improve education overnight by returning control to the local communities and school boards. We would of course still have piss poor schools but we do anyway. But at least it would give us a chance to also have great public schools again.

But but but

Central planning is the end all be all of great ideas!!

Just as any Cuban, Russian, Chinease or North Korean.

Central planning is essential in national defense, foreign trade, interstate commerce and communications. Our Founders understood as much and provided for that concept in the Constitution.

Central planning has proved to be devastaging to public education. And except for data gathering and providing statistics to schools so they can measure how they stack up against other schools, the sooner we get education out of the Federal government, the better chance we have to restore the U.S. public schools as the best education system in the world.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Teachers unions have a lot of balls.
They have utterly destroyed our education system by removing accountability and the ability of administrators to fire incompetent teachers.
Look up "Lemon Dance"...