Saudis order 40 lashes for elderly woman for mingling

[editec]

What freaking insane culture that is.

 

[Munin]

And the Saudis are considered to be our good friends in the Middle East. The Saudi Royal family are spit-swapping buddies with the Bushes, and donated hundreds of millions to the Clinton Foundation and Billy's library. But since we need the Saudi oil, we are blind, deaf, and dumb to issues such as this!

The same applies to china: wasn't hillary clinton so active on human rights? And didn't she previously speak about making sure that china will improve human rights?

 

[ras]

A simple test, according to Tawfik Hamid, in his book, “Inside Jihad,” is to ask if the subject of questioning supports the following:
A) Killing of Apostates, those who decide to leave the religion
B) Beating of women, and stoning them to death for infractions
C) Calling Jews Pigs and Monkeys
D) Declaring war on non-Muslims either to convert them, or to have them pay a second-class citizen tax
E) Enslave and rape female war prisoners, as in Darfur
F) Fight and kill Jews as preparation for the end days
G) Kill gays

Would I be correct in assuming that you, and those you know, support none of the above?

Yes, you'd be correct as far as my beliefs are concerned. I rarely associate with other Muslims, though, so I can't speak for them. I'd say that most Americans who practice Islam seem to be against those practices, as all of the things listed by Hamid either contradict the Qur'an or are based on misunderstandings of it.

Kalam is a liar. He may not associate with muslims---but I have for more than 40 years. Also---I have relatives who SURVIVED the filth of islam. A thru G is STANDARD ISLAM A person who CLAIMS he rejects the idea of killing apostates ----is actually stating the he REJECTS ISLAM-----it is REQUIRED of all societies that adhere to shariah and is observed even today in MANY Hitting women is PRESCRIBED in the. Muslims in the US do call jews pigs and monkeys----they simply do not know that some jews understand their filthy arabic. As to JIZYA---it is part and parcel of the filth of islamic law. I have relatives who lived with that shit in the 20th century and muslims in the US justify that shit-- It is clearly described in the PACT OF OMAR which are the terms under which non muslims can live in islamic societies. E F AND G are all PRESCRIBED in the koran------just speak to a muslim ----find a intelligent 15 year old -----you will get the most candid information on the disgusting filth of Shariah-----but there is a LOT MORE. Some of it so weird----that I hesitate to describe it since Kalam will claim I am lying ----here is one----in the filthy islamic shit hole that my husband survived----NON MUSLIMS could not ride upon horses or camels (an important mode of transportation in that filthy shit hole) Ask any muslim about the PACT OF OMAR-----which actually includes such filth-----and the MUSLIM will very likely tell you what a WONDERFUL and EGALITARIAN document it is and that it SHOULD be enacted in the coming MUSLIM UTOPIA-----

 

[Kalam]

Kalam is a liar.

Allow me to be honest: you're a worthless troll who doesn't know shit about me or my religious beliefs. I will never do a disservice to Islam by lying about its teachings or tenets.

He may not associate with muslims---but I have for more than 40 years. Also---I have relatives who SURVIVED the filth of islam. A thru G is STANDARD ISLAM A person who CLAIMS he rejects the idea of killing apostates ----is actually stating the he REJECTS ISLAM-----it is REQUIRED of all societies that adhere to shariah

All bullshit.

As to JIZYA---it is part and parcel of the filth of islamic law.

As is zakat, moron.

E F AND G are all PRESCRIBED in the koran

Prove it.

Some of it so weird----that I hesitate to describe it since Kalam will claim I am lying

Everything you've posted here is a bald faced lie, shit-for-brains. Your raison d'être here is to spread dishonest filth about my religion and slander its adherents endlessly. Fuck you. I'm more than willing to take criticism and have intelligent, constructive discussions with those who respectfully disagree or take issue with me or my religion, but you're nothing but a useless troll whose posts are steaming heaps of incendiary bullshit.

----here is one----in the filthy islamic shit hole that my husband survived----NON MUSLIMS could not ride upon horses or camels

Provide a Qur'anic justification for that law or accept that it has shit to do with the Islamic religion.

Ask any muslim about the PACT OF OMAR-----which actually includes such filth-----and the MUSLIM will very likely tell you what a WONDERFUL and EGALITARIAN document it is and that it SHOULD be enacted in the coming MUSLIM UTOPIA-----

You want to know the laws of a truly Islamic society as they pertain to non-Muslims, retard? Look at the Constitution of Medina, written by Muhammad, ﷺ, himself. Some piece of garbage written by Umar II 100 years after the prophet's life means nothing compared to the rights enumerated by the prophet, ﷺ.

1. The security (dhimma) of God is equal for all groups,
   
2. Non-Muslim members have equal political and cultural rights as Muslims. They will have autonomy and freedom of religion.
   
3. Non-Muslims will take up arms against the enemy of the Ummah and share the cost of war. There is to be no treachery between the two.
   
4. Non-Muslims will not be obliged to take part in religious wars of the Muslims.

Constitution of Medina - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[ras]

It is very sad that Kalam continues to LIE about islamic law. Anyone interested should google PACT OF OMAR. with the understanding that the rules described in that "PACT" are part and parcel of islamic law in reference to non muslims. ------My own relatives lived under that disgusting islamic filth. This is they true history of the escape that saved by mother-in-law from RAPE---in Yemen. In the mid 1930s her father dies when she was about ten years old UNDER ISLAMIC LAW_---the death of a her father----rendered her a SLAVE of the local Imam (local chieftain in yemen is called "imam') To save her from that islamic filth---she was quickly MARRIED---being married conferred some protection from the filth----and the little newly weds----were taken out of the area-----they traveled to Aden---(where my husband was born) and from there managed to ESCAPE---- Had they not escaped----my mother-in-law----UNDER THE ISLAMIC LAW---would have been raped and forced into islam Anyone interested can google "islamic orphan law" This law is not unique to Yemen---it is ISLAM. Kalam will lie an deny it

 

[tigerbob]

A simple test, according to Tawfik Hamid, in his book, “Inside Jihad,” is to ask if the subject of questioning supports the following:
A) Killing of Apostates, those who decide to leave the religion
B) Beating of women, and stoning them to death for infractions
C) Calling Jews Pigs and Monkeys
D) Declaring war on non-Muslims either to convert them, or to have them pay a second-class citizen tax
E) Enslave and rape female war prisoners, as in Darfur
F) Fight and kill Jews as preparation for the end days
G) Kill gays

Would I be correct in assuming that you, and those you know, support none of the above?

Yes, you'd be correct as far as my beliefs are concerned. I rarely associate with other Muslims, though, so I can't speak for them. I'd say that most Americans who practice Islam seem to be against those practices, as all of the things listed by Hamid either contradict the Qur'an or are based on misunderstandings of it.

Kalam is a liar. He may not associate with muslims---but I have for more than 40 years. Also---I have relatives who SURVIVED the filth of islam. A thru G is STANDARD ISLAM A person who CLAIMS he rejects the idea of killing apostates ----is actually stating the he REJECTS ISLAM-----it is REQUIRED of all societies that adhere to shariah and is observed even today in MANY Hitting women is PRESCRIBED in the. Muslims in the US do call jews pigs and monkeys----they simply do not know that some jews understand their filthy arabic. As to JIZYA---it is part and parcel of the filth of islamic law. I have relatives who lived with that shit in the 20th century and muslims in the US justify that shit-- It is clearly described in the PACT OF OMAR which are the terms under which non muslims can live in islamic societies. E F AND G are all PRESCRIBED in the koran------just speak to a muslim ----find a intelligent 15 year old -----you will get the most candid information on the disgusting filth of Shariah-----but there is a LOT MORE. Some of it so weird----that I hesitate to describe it since Kalam will claim I am lying ----here is one----in the filthy islamic shit hole that my husband survived----NON MUSLIMS could not ride upon horses or camels (an important mode of transportation in that filthy shit hole) Ask any muslim about the PACT OF OMAR-----which actually includes such filth-----and the MUSLIM will very likely tell you what a WONDERFUL and EGALITARIAN document it is and that it SHOULD be enacted in the coming MUSLIM UTOPIA-----

There's a lot that Kalam and I disagree about, but I've always found him to be direct and plain speaking as far as his beliefs are concerned, and I've learned to listen to his views with interest, even though I disagree with some of them.

I don't need to read another post from you to know that you are worth a significantly smaller investment of time.

 

[Big D]

There are obviously many laws, ideals and actions that exist in Saudi that are ridiculous. However, when the Saudi royals are pumping millions into the Bush families pockets and businesses, we can learn to ignore the actions and call them allies.

 

[tigerbob]

There are obviously many laws, ideals and actions that exist in Saudi that are ridiculous. However, when the Saudi royals are pumping millions into the Bush families pockets and businesses, we can learn to ignore the actions and call them allies.

Example?

 

[JW Frogen]

I lived in Saudi Arabia for a time.

They are the most polite barbarians I have ever known.

They will kill you with a smile.

 

[PuckeredPete]

By Mohammed Jamjoom and Saad Abedine

CNN -- A Saudi Arabian court has sentenced a 75-year-old Syrian woman to 40 lashes, four months imprisonment and deportation from the kingdom for having two unrelated men in her house, according to local media reports.

According to the Saudi daily newspaper Al-Watan, troubles for the woman, Khamisa Mohammed Sawadi, began last year when a member of the religious police entered her house in the city of Al-Chamli and found her with two unrelated men, "Fahd" and "Hadian."

Fahd told the policeman that he had the right to be there, because Sawadi had breast-fed him as a baby and was therefore considered to be a son to her in Islam, according to Al-Watan. Fahd, 24, added that his friend Hadian was escorting him as he delivered bread for the elderly woman. The policeman then arrested both men.

Saudi Arabia follows a strict interpretation of Islam called Wahhabism and punishes unrelated men and women who are caught mingling.

The Commission for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice, feared by many Saudis, is made up of several thousand religious policemen charged with duties such as enforcing dress codes, prayer times and segregation of the sexes. Under Saudi law, women face many restrictions, including a strict dress code and a ban on driving. Women also need to have a man's permission to travel.

Saudis order 40 lashes for elderly woman for mingling - CNN.com

Our "allies." They differ so much from our enemies.

Goes to show, it ain't about religion or modernization.

 

[morpheus]

Saudi Arabia comes dead last if we are to rank the entire world on human rights and due process. And it's a shining example of how Washington picks its allies geostrategically, despite the rhetoric that open liberal democracies make for best friends and perfect political partners, and despite the fact that we use the human rights issue to justify our [often times disastrous and hypocritical] stance on several international developments. On the other hand, when Hamas wins democratic elections in Gaza, we refuse to recognize it, simply because we didn't like the result of the very democratic system we were pushing for.

i was still in high school and worked part time, with a girl a lttle older than me from iraq who was here on a visa, going to a university here...she was a remarkably bright and filled with a joyous personality...spoke english perfectly, very slight accent, studying medical technology so she could be a med tech back in iraq....this was during the time of the hostages in iran...right before they were released.

i remember once we all went out for am ice creme sunday after work and the hostage crisis came up...she made certain she told us she was from Iraq, where the good guys were, and that she was iraqi, NOT iranean!!!

Little did she know that soon enough, American foreign policy will no longer find Saddam Hussein useful, and decide that Iraq is the bad guy. Suddenly, the Kurds -who were being oppressed back when Saddam Hussein was a "good guy"- are victims and America's new cause celebre. But the Bush Sr, Clinton, and Bush Jr administrations didn't want us to remember -or know- the chronological order of things.

You're absolutely right. Funny how things change.

We should recognize the "legitimacy" of a KNOWN international terrorist organization and the people who voted for it to represent them to the world as their government?

But aren't we the ones always lecturing the world on democracy? So, when democratic elections produce a result we don't like, is that a carte blanche for us to act like hypocrites?

As to whether or not Hamas is a "terrorist organization" is subjective. The term "terrorist" is a highly politicized one, that has outgrown its traditional definition to fit whatever resistance or reactionary movement inconveniences the party or parties that are applying that label. And this is a classic example right here. Terrorists or freedom fighters? When America funds, arms, and trains paramilitaries in Central America, who then massacre innocent people, guess which category America puts them in.

To sum it up, you're saying our politicians act like politicians. Wow. What a revelation.

And what you're admitting is that American foreign policy is hypocritical and inconsistent with its stated goals and values.

That's no revelation either, but it's nice to get someone from the world-hating/right-wing/FOX crowd to finally admit that.