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The direct instrument measurement data starts late 1800s. Proxy data from that time forward does not match the instruments, therefore proxy temps do cannot be equated to instrument temps.How can that be? Proy data is history and they didn't have measuring equipment then. Unless you know something the rest off us don't!Where proxy data overlaps direct instrument data the proxy data is way off.Really? Prove it!Those are proxy estimates, no way near as accurate as the direct instrument measurements we have now.View attachment 39463T
they work hard to ignore facts
They act like warming has never happened ed before
So tell me when you go to the doctor does he or she tell you you have an anomaly of one or do they tell you have 98 point something? just wondering do you have an anomalyWhere proxy data overlaps direct instrument data the proxy data is way off.Really? Prove it!Those are proxy estimates, no way near as accurate as the direct instrument measurements we have now.View attachment 39463T
they work hard to ignore factsCould it be because we are coming out of an ice age? Also, temperatures have been several degrees warmer in the past.
They act like warming has never happened ed before
What about all those previous years?The direct instrument measurement data starts late 1800s. Proxy data from that time forward does not match the instruments, therefore proxy temps do cannot be equated to instrument temps.How can that be? Proy data is history and they didn't have measuring equipment then. Unless you know something the rest off us don't!Where proxy data overlaps direct instrument data the proxy data is way off.Really? Prove it!Those are proxy estimates, no way near as accurate as the direct instrument measurements we have now.View attachment 39463
They act like warming has never happened ed before
Don't they call those proxies and tree rings?What about them? Do you have some other means to measure temperatures prior to the instrumented record?
What i find interesting is the use of anomaly (which is the deviation from a mean average of a subjective set date range). In this case they take 30 years of the last 160 years of solar warming and warming from the last mini ice age which is all on the positive slope and claim that average is the norm.Have you ever heard of a thermometer? It reads temperatures not anomalies that is calculated and has nothing to do with cold or warm!Where does most of the cold occur?View attachment 39463T
they work hard to ignore facts
They act like warming has never happened ed before
You got to remember most of the pixies and temperature records at the time of these studies where northern North America and Europe. This is no where near global...A global study was done that shows that it was much cooler then today 1000 years ago.
China and the North Atlantic appears to have been warmer then normal. The middle east, central Asia and western Canada appears to have been cooler.
Don't they call those proxies and tree rings?What about them? Do you have some other means to measure temperatures prior to the instrumented record?
What i find interesting is the use of anomaly (which is the deviation from a mean average of a subjective set date range). In this case they take 30 years of the last 160 years of solar warming and warming from the last mini ice age which is all on the positive slope and claim that average is the norm.Have you ever heard of a thermometer? It reads temperatures not anomalies that is calculated and has nothing to do with cold or warm!Where does most of the cold occur?View attachment 39463
They act like warming has never happened ed before
You got to remember most of the pixies and temperature records at the time of these studies where northern North America and Europe. This is no where near global...A global study was done that shows that it was much cooler then today 1000 years ago.
China and the North Atlantic appears to have been warmer then normal. The middle east, central Asia and western Canada appears to have been cooler.
The fear mongering about + or - from a subjective number is pure bull shit propaganda. If we wanted to know what the real range was all we have to do is look at the historical record of ranges in the long term.
The earth has a range of about 12 deg C. Today we are high center of the historical warm period range.
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When we drop to the low center of the glacial cycle that is coming there will be great gnashing of teeth by the alarmist crowd. 90,000 years of cool... with an average temp 10-12 deg C lower than today...
IF you take slope #1 until today our current warm period has lasted some 14,500 years, which is long, in terms of interglacials. The average interglacial is just 11,500 years. We have been living on borrowed time for a long time.
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Our fall into the next glacial cycle has already begun. The apex we have been enjoying for the last 20 + years will soon vanish. If solar physicists are correct we will begin to see the rapid drop in the next two or three years.
you admit you know what that is . So you admit it's what we use instead of having instruments back before they were inventedDon't they call those proxies and tree rings?What about them? Do you have some other means to measure temperatures prior to the instrumented record?
A tree ring is a proxy.
Are you really that stupid?What i find interesting is the use of anomaly (which is the deviation from a mean average of a subjective set date range). In this case they take 30 years of the last 160 years of solar warming and warming from the last mini ice age which is all on the positive slope and claim that average is the norm.Have you ever heard of a thermometer? It reads temperatures not anomalies that is calculated and has nothing to do with cold or warm!Where does most of the cold occur?You got to remember most of the pixies and temperature records at the time of these studies where northern North America and Europe. This is no where near global...A global study was done that shows that it was much cooler then today 1000 years ago.
China and the North Atlantic appears to have been warmer then normal. The middle east, central Asia and western Canada appears to have been cooler.
The fear mongering about + or - from a subjective number is pure bull shit propaganda. If we wanted to know what the real range was all we have to do is look at the historical record of ranges in the long term.
The earth has a range of about 12 deg C. Today we are high center of the historical warm period range.
View attachment 39564
When we drop to the low center of the glacial cycle that is coming there will be great gnashing of teeth by the alarmist crowd. 90,000 years of cool... with an average temp 10-12 deg C lower than today...
IF you take slope #1 until today our current warm period has lasted some 14,500 years, which is long, in terms of interglacials. The average interglacial is just 11,500 years. We have been living on borrowed time for a long time.
View attachment 39565
Our fall into the next glacial cycle has already begun. The apex we have been enjoying for the last 20 + years will soon vanish. If solar physicists are correct we will begin to see the rapid drop in the next two or three years.
It is more meaningful and less subjective than the 'anomaly' from 0F. And if you're informed of the baseline, what possible difference does it make? Scientists are looking at trends, not absolutes, because they are enormously more important.
It must be obvious to you that you are constantly forced to manufacture criticism of mainstream science using deception, innuendo and falsehood. How is it that your ethics allows you to keep that up?
No, I'm sure you fitI'm sorry, jc, but that just doesn't work there.
#89, the one I posted against. See, you pull out the stupid. Now you ask me with the post right there on mine.What point of mine did you think was stupid? And if you need any of them explained, don't hesitate to ask.
Are you really that stupid?What i find interesting is the use of anomaly (which is the deviation from a mean average of a subjective set date range). In this case they take 30 years of the last 160 years of solar warming and warming from the last mini ice age which is all on the positive slope and claim that average is the norm.Have you ever heard of a thermometer? It reads temperatures not anomalies that is calculated and has nothing to do with cold or warm!Where does most of the cold occur?
China and the North Atlantic appears to have been warmer then normal. The middle east, central Asia and western Canada appears to have been cooler.
The fear mongering about + or - from a subjective number is pure bull shit propaganda. If we wanted to know what the real range was all we have to do is look at the historical record of ranges in the long term.
The earth has a range of about 12 deg C. Today we are high center of the historical warm period range.
View attachment 39564
When we drop to the low center of the glacial cycle that is coming there will be great gnashing of teeth by the alarmist crowd. 90,000 years of cool... with an average temp 10-12 deg C lower than today...
IF you take slope #1 until today our current warm period has lasted some 14,500 years, which is long, in terms of interglacials. The average interglacial is just 11,500 years. We have been living on borrowed time for a long time.
View attachment 39565
Our fall into the next glacial cycle has already begun. The apex we have been enjoying for the last 20 + years will soon vanish. If solar physicists are correct we will begin to see the rapid drop in the next two or three years.
It is more meaningful and less subjective than the 'anomaly' from 0F. And if you're informed of the baseline, what possible difference does it make? Scientists are looking at trends, not absolutes, because they are enormously more important.
It must be obvious to you that you are constantly forced to manufacture criticism of mainstream science using deception, innuendo and falsehood. How is it that your ethics allows you to keep that up?
Are you really that stupid?What i find interesting is the use of anomaly (which is the deviation from a mean average of a subjective set date range). In this case they take 30 years of the last 160 years of solar warming and warming from the last mini ice age which is all on the positive slope and claim that average is the norm.Have you ever heard of a thermometer? It reads temperatures not anomalies that is calculated and has nothing to do with cold or warm!China and the North Atlantic appears to have been warmer then normal. The middle east, central Asia and western Canada appears to have been cooler.
The fear mongering about + or - from a subjective number is pure bull shit propaganda. If we wanted to know what the real range was all we have to do is look at the historical record of ranges in the long term.
The earth has a range of about 12 deg C. Today we are high center of the historical warm period range.
View attachment 39564
When we drop to the low center of the glacial cycle that is coming there will be great gnashing of teeth by the alarmist crowd. 90,000 years of cool... with an average temp 10-12 deg C lower than today...
IF you take slope #1 until today our current warm period has lasted some 14,500 years, which is long, in terms of interglacials. The average interglacial is just 11,500 years. We have been living on borrowed time for a long time.
View attachment 39565
Our fall into the next glacial cycle has already begun. The apex we have been enjoying for the last 20 + years will soon vanish. If solar physicists are correct we will begin to see the rapid drop in the next two or three years.
It is more meaningful and less subjective than the 'anomaly' from 0F. And if you're informed of the baseline, what possible difference does it make? Scientists are looking at trends, not absolutes, because they are enormously more important.
It must be obvious to you that you are constantly forced to manufacture criticism of mainstream science using deception, innuendo and falsehood. How is it that your ethics allows you to keep that up?
The appeal to authority is all he has left. Main stream science is not getting the message because they are political whores who have prostrated themselves in front of the money changers. "Main Stream" breeds consensus type thinking and that is usually wrong..
