Sarah Palin On Obama: Lies, Damned Lies – Obamacare 6 Months Later; It’s Time to Take

[MaxCUA]

t’s now six months since President Obama took control of one-sixth of the private sector economy with his health care “reform,” and the first changes to our health care system come into effect today. Despite overwhelming public dislike of the bill, we were told that D.C. knows best, and there was nothing to worry about, and we’d be better off swallowing the pill called Obamacare; so, in defiance of the will of the people, the President and his party rammed through this mother of all unfunded mandates. Nancy Pelosi said Congress had to pass the bill so that Americans could “find out what is in it.” We found out that it’s even worse than we feared.

Remember when the president said, “If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor”? Not true. In Texas alone a record number of doctors are leaving the Medicare system because of the cuts in reimbursements forced on them by Obamacare! The president of the Texas Medical Association, Dr. Susan Bailey, warns that “the Medicare system is beginning to implode.”

Remember the Obama administration’s promise that Obamacare would cut a typical family’s premium “by up to $2500 a year”? Not true. In fact, fueled by reports that insurers expect premiums to rise by as much as 25 percent as a result of Obamacare, Senate Democrats are contemplating the introduction of price controls.

Remember when the president said in his address to Congress that “no federal dollars will be used to fund abortions”? That turned out to be yet another one of those “You lie!” moments. We found out that Obamacare-mandated high risk insurance pools set up in states like Pennsylvania and New Mexico will fund abortions after all. etc........

Complete Post At:
governorpalin4president.blogspot.com

 

[VaYank5150]

North Carolina's largest health insurer says it will refund $155 million to more than 215,000 individual policyholders as a result of the Affordable Care Act that took effect earlier this year.

Blue Cross To Refund $155M To NC Policyholders - News - MyNC.com

And what about those death panels, Sarah?

It sure would be nice if Caribou Barbie could learn to read BEFORE she opens her trap.

 

[JimH52]

North Carolina's largest health insurer says it will refund $155 million to more than 215,000 individual policyholders as a result of the Affordable Care Act that took effect earlier this year.

Blue Cross To Refund $155M To NC Policyholders - News - MyNC.com

And what about those death panels, Sarah?

It sure would be nice if Caribou Barbie could learn to read BEFORE she opens her trap.

Speaking of lies, where are THOSE death panels, Sarah? Too busy lobbying for unelectable candidates?

 

[Old Rocks]

The tepid Teabaggers and other deranged followers of the Alaska Loon have memory failure for anything that is older than last weeks news. Like the Reps at the auto plant that were trying to take credit for the rivival of GM, and all of them voted against it. Fortunately, the people that they were speaking to remembered, and gave them a sound round of boos and catcalls.

 

[VaYank5150]

North Carolina's largest health insurer says it will refund $155 million to more than 215,000 individual policyholders as a result of the Affordable Care Act that took effect earlier this year.

Blue Cross To Refund $155M To NC Policyholders - News - MyNC.com

And what about those death panels, Sarah?

It sure would be nice if Caribou Barbie could learn to read BEFORE she opens her trap.

Speaking of lies, where are THOSE death panels, Sarah? Too busy lobbying for unelectable candidates?

Has Caribou Barbie blogged yet to address the death panels?

 

[California Girl]

North Carolina's largest health insurer says it will refund $155 million to more than 215,000 individual policyholders as a result of the Affordable Care Act that took effect earlier this year.

Blue Cross To Refund $155M To NC Policyholders - News - MyNC.com

And what about those death panels, Sarah?

It sure would be nice if Caribou Barbie could learn to read BEFORE she opens her trap.

Speaking of lies, where are THOSE death panels, Sarah? Too busy lobbying for unelectable candidates?

Did we ever even bother to find out what 'death panels' meant? Because if we keep on down this road, and we end up with a system like they have in Europe, then, yea, you're gonna have death panels. Of course, they won't be called 'death panels' but, like Europe, you will be turned down for life saving or life extending or quality of life extending drugs and treatment - based on cost. Simple. Support it if you want to but have the courage to know what it is you are supporting.

 

[VaYank5150]

Blue Cross To Refund $155M To NC Policyholders - News - MyNC.com

And what about those death panels, Sarah?

It sure would be nice if Caribou Barbie could learn to read BEFORE she opens her trap.

Speaking of lies, where are THOSE death panels, Sarah? Too busy lobbying for unelectable candidates?

Did we ever even bother to find out what 'death panels' meant? Because if we keep on down this road, and we end up with a system like they have in Europe, then, yea, you're gonna have death panels. Of course, they won't be called 'death panels' but, like Europe, you will be turned down for life saving or life extending or quality of life extending drugs and treatment - based on cost. Simple. Support it if you want to but have the courage to know what it is you are supporting.

So........Palin accused Obama of having death panels in the healthcare legislation. Now, YOU are saying that what she really MEANT was that we might be heading down a road toward death panels????

 

[rightwinger]

Sarah sure knows her Obamacare...you betcha!

I hear they are setting up a Death panel for her baby any day now

 

[mattskramer]

Blue Cross To Refund $155M To NC Policyholders - News - MyNC.com

And what about those death panels, Sarah?

It sure would be nice if Caribou Barbie could learn to read BEFORE she opens her trap.

Speaking of lies, where are THOSE death panels, Sarah? Too busy lobbying for unelectable candidates?

Did we ever even bother to find out what 'death panels' meant? Because if we keep on down this road, and we end up with a system like they have in Europe, then, yea, you're gonna have death panels. Of course, they won't be called 'death panels' but, like Europe, you will be turned down for life saving or life extending or quality of life extending drugs and treatment - based on cost. Simple. Support it if you want to but have the courage to know what it is you are supporting.

Classic sky-is-falling domino-theory fallacy.

Anyway, here are the facts on Palin's "death panel" issue:

Health care reform debate in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Palin's death panel remarks were based on the ideas of Betsy McCaughey. During 2009, former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin wrote against alleged rationing, referring to what by her interpretation was a "downright evil" "death panel" in current reform legislation known as H.R. 3200 Section 1233. However, Palin supported similar end of life discussion and advance directives for patients in 2008. Defenders of the plan indicated that the proposed legislation H.R. 3200 would allow Medicare for the first time to cover patient-doctor consultations about end-of-life planning, including discussions about drawing up a living will or planning hospice treatment. Patients could seek out such advice on their own, but would not be required to. The provision would limit Medicare coverage to one consultation every five years. Rep. Earl Blumenauer, D-Ore., who sponsored the H.R. 3200 end of life counseling provision, said the measure would block funds for counseling that presents suicide or assisted suicide as an option, and called references to death panels or euthanasia "mind-numbing". Republican Senator Johnny Isakson, who co-sponsored a 2007 end-of-life counseling provision, called the euthanasia claim "nuts". Analysts who examined the end-of-life provision Palin cited agree that Palin's claim is incorrect. According to TIME and ABC, Palin and Betsy McCaughey made false euthanasia claims.

The federal requirement that hospitals help patients with things like living wills began when Republican George H. W. Bush was President. Section 1233 merely allows doctors to be paid for their time. However, an NBC poll indicates that as of August, 2009, 45% of Americans believed in the death panel story.

 

[onecut39]

Speaking of lies, where are THOSE death panels, Sarah? Too busy lobbying for unelectable candidates?

Did we ever even bother to find out what 'death panels' meant? Because if we keep on down this road, and we end up with a system like they have in Europe, then, yea, you're gonna have death panels. Of course, they won't be called 'death panels' but, like Europe, you will be turned down for life saving or life extending or quality of life extending drugs and treatment - based on cost. Simple. Support it if you want to but have the courage to know what it is you are supporting.

Classic sky-is-falling domino-theory fallacy.

Anyway, here are the facts on Palin's "death panel" issue:

Health care reform debate in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Palin's death panel remarks were based on the ideas of Betsy McCaughey. During 2009, former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin wrote against alleged rationing, referring to what by her interpretation was a "downright evil" "death panel" in current reform legislation known as H.R. 3200 Section 1233. However, Palin supported similar end of life discussion and advance directives for patients in 2008. Defenders of the plan indicated that the proposed legislation H.R. 3200 would allow Medicare for the first time to cover patient-doctor consultations about end-of-life planning, including discussions about drawing up a living will or planning hospice treatment. Patients could seek out such advice on their own, but would not be required to. The provision would limit Medicare coverage to one consultation every five years. Rep. Earl Blumenauer, D-Ore., who sponsored the H.R. 3200 end of life counseling provision, said the measure would block funds for counseling that presents suicide or assisted suicide as an option, and called references to death panels or euthanasia "mind-numbing". Republican Senator Johnny Isakson, who co-sponsored a 2007 end-of-life counseling provision, called the euthanasia claim "nuts". Analysts who examined the end-of-life provision Palin cited agree that Palin's claim is incorrect. According to TIME and ABC, Palin and Betsy McCaughey made false euthanasia claims.

The federal requirement that hospitals help patients with things like living wills began when Republican George H. W. Bush was President. Section 1233 merely allows doctors to be paid for their time. However, an NBC poll indicates that as of August, 2009, 45% of Americans believed in the death panel story.

Two years ago I had my second five year "end of life" session with my doctor. it was scary I had to update my living will, and make sure that information on those who were to act on my behalf were in order. We also talked about my attitude toward death. (or life if you like the sound of that better.)

With any luck my third "death panel" will go as well.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

t’s now six months since President Obama took control of one-sixth of the private sector economy with his health care “reform,” and the first changes to our health care system come into effect today.

Somebody needs to tell "Crazy" Sarah it's BEEN going-into-affect.​

"The Act will not be implemented all at once. Portions of the law have already taken effect like provisions that implement a new Patient’s Bill of Rights that put an end to some of the worst insurance company practices."

(Stupid pageant-contestants.)​

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Blue Cross To Refund $155M To NC Policyholders - News - MyNC.com

And what about those death panels, Sarah?

It sure would be nice if Caribou Barbie could learn to read BEFORE she opens her trap.

Speaking of lies, where are THOSE death panels, Sarah? Too busy lobbying for unelectable candidates?

Did we ever even bother to find out what 'death panels' meant? Because if we keep on down this road, and we end up with a system like they have in Europe, then, yea, you're gonna have death panels. Of course, they won't be called 'death panels' but, like Europe, you will be turned down for life saving or life extending or quality of life extending drugs and treatment - based on cost. Simple. Support it if you want to but have the courage to know what it is you are supporting.

You 'Baggers surely do use the word IF an awful-lot.

​

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Did we ever even bother to find out what 'death panels' meant? Because if we keep on down this road, and we end up with a system like they have in Europe, then, yea, you're gonna have death panels. Of course, they won't be called 'death panels' but, like Europe, you will be turned down for life saving or life extending or quality of life extending drugs and treatment - based on cost. Simple. Support it if you want to but have the courage to know what it is you are supporting.

Classic sky-is-falling domino-theory fallacy.

Anyway, here are the facts on Palin's "death panel" issue:

Health care reform debate in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Palin's death panel remarks were based on the ideas of Betsy McCaughey. During 2009, former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin wrote against alleged rationing, referring to what by her interpretation was a "downright evil" "death panel" in current reform legislation known as H.R. 3200 Section 1233. However, Palin supported similar end of life discussion and advance directives for patients in 2008. Defenders of the plan indicated that the proposed legislation H.R. 3200 would allow Medicare for the first time to cover patient-doctor consultations about end-of-life planning, including discussions about drawing up a living will or planning hospice treatment. Patients could seek out such advice on their own, but would not be required to. The provision would limit Medicare coverage to one consultation every five years. Rep. Earl Blumenauer, D-Ore., who sponsored the H.R. 3200 end of life counseling provision, said the measure would block funds for counseling that presents suicide or assisted suicide as an option, and called references to death panels or euthanasia "mind-numbing". Republican Senator Johnny Isakson, who co-sponsored a 2007 end-of-life counseling provision, called the euthanasia claim "nuts". Analysts who examined the end-of-life provision Palin cited agree that Palin's claim is incorrect. According to TIME and ABC, Palin and Betsy McCaughey made false euthanasia claims.

The federal requirement that hospitals help patients with things like living wills began when Republican George H. W. Bush was President. Section 1233 merely allows doctors to be paid for their time. However, an NBC poll indicates that as of August, 2009, 45% of Americans believed in the death panel story.

Two years ago I had my second five year "end of life" session with my doctor. it was scary I had to update my living will, and make sure that information on those who were to act on my behalf were in order. We also talked about my attitude toward death. (or life if you like the sound of that better.)

With any luck my third "death panel" will go as well.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[JimH52]

Living wills and consultations concerning end of life are not DEATH PANELS, SARAH!

We can only pray that the GOP will runaway with its tail between its legs in 2012 and allow Palin to steal the Presidential Nomination. Why not, they have been rolling over for the Baggers up to this point.

 

[USArmyRetired]

Yes those rationing “death panels” are there, and so are the tax increases that the president also promised were “absolutely not” in his bill. (Aren’t you tiring of the untruths coming from this White House and the liberals in Congress?) When the state of Florida filed a challenge to Obamacare on the basis that the mandates in the bill are unconstitutional, the Obama Department of Justice filed a motion to dismiss the suit by citing the Anti-Injunction Act, which blocks courts from interfering with the federal government’s ability to collect taxes. Yes, taxes! Once the bill was passed it was no longer politically inconvenient for the Obama administration to admit that it makes no difference whether the payment is a tax or a penalty because it’s “assessed and collected in the same manner.” The National Taxpayer Advocate has already warned that “Congress must provide sufficient funding” to allow the IRS to collect this new tax. Pretty soon we’ll be paying taxes just to make it possible for the IRS to collect all the additional taxes under Obamacare! Seems as if this is another surprise that the public found out about after the bill was rammed through.

Death Panels: Read it and absorb what it means.

The provision that President Obama refers to is Section 1233 of HR 3200, entitled “Advance Care Planning Consultation.” [2] With all due respect, it’s misleading for the President to describe this section as an entirely voluntary provision that simply increases the information offered to Medicare recipients. The issue is the context in which that information is provided and the coercive effect these consultations will have in that context.

Section 1233 authorizes advanced care planning consultations for senior citizens on Medicare every five years, and more often “if there is a significant change in the health condition of the individual ... or upon admission to a skilled nursing facility, a long-term care facility... or a hospice program." [3] During those consultations, practitioners must explain “the continuum of end-of-life services and supports available, including palliative care and hospice,” and the government benefits available to pay for such services. [4]

Now put this in context. These consultations are authorized whenever a Medicare recipient’s health changes significantly or when they enter a nursing home, and they are part of a bill whose stated purpose is “to reduce the growth in health care spending.” [5] Is it any wonder that senior citizens might view such consultations as attempts to convince them to help reduce health care costs by accepting minimal end-of-life care? As Charles Lane notes in the Washington Post, Section 1233 “addresses compassionate goals in disconcerting proximity to fiscal ones.... If it’s all about obviating suffering, emotional or physical, what’s it doing in a measure to “bend the curve” on health-care costs?” [6]

 

[Greenbeard]

Yes those rationing “death panels” are there

Section 1233 of HR 3200

 

[Bill Angel]

Death Panels: Read it and absorb what it means.

The provision that President Obama refers to is Section 1233 of HR 3200, entitled “Advance Care Planning Consultation.” [2] With all due respect, it’s misleading for the President to describe this section as an entirely voluntary provision that simply increases the information offered to Medicare recipients. The issue is the context in which that information is provided and the coercive effect these consultations will have in that context.

Section 1233 authorizes advanced care planning consultations for senior citizens on Medicare every five years, and more often “if there is a significant change in the health condition of the individual ... or upon admission to a skilled nursing facility, a long-term care facility... or a hospice program." [3] During those consultations, practitioners must explain “the continuum of end-of-life services and supports available, including palliative care and hospice,” and the government benefits available to pay for such services. [4]
...
Now put this in context. These consultations are authorized whenever a Medicare recipient’s health changes significantly or when they enter a nursing home, and they are part of a bill whose stated purpose is “to reduce the growth in health care spending.” [5] Is it any wonder that senior citizens might view such consultations as attempts to convince them to help reduce health care costs by accepting minimal end-of-life care? As Charles Lane notes in the Washington Post, Section 1233 “addresses compassionate goals in disconcerting proximity to fiscal ones.... If it’s all about obviating suffering, emotional or physical, what’s it doing in a measure to “bend the curve” on health-care costs?” [6]

I think that the issues you raise are valid ones, and one "role model" for how such issues could be handled for the general population is provided by the Veteran's Administration.

One study of this issues appears in the report
"Physician-assisted suicide v Palliative care: a tale of two cities" which is quoted below:

"In Portland [Oregon], the Veterans Medical Center has a multidisciplinary palliative care team with medical, nursing, psychology ,social work and psychiatric in put. I [the report's author] attended a multidisciplinary team meeting and met highly skilled palliative care specialists. There was a wide ranging discussion around medical, social, psychological and spiritual issues for each patient. This team works with patients in the Veterans Center and has no outpatient or community remit. Indeed families of the veterans are not covered by this Center."

 

[California Girl]

Speaking of lies, where are THOSE death panels, Sarah? Too busy lobbying for unelectable candidates?

Did we ever even bother to find out what 'death panels' meant? Because if we keep on down this road, and we end up with a system like they have in Europe, then, yea, you're gonna have death panels. Of course, they won't be called 'death panels' but, like Europe, you will be turned down for life saving or life extending or quality of life extending drugs and treatment - based on cost. Simple. Support it if you want to but have the courage to know what it is you are supporting.

So........Palin accused Obama of having death panels in the healthcare legislation. Now, YOU are saying that what she really MEANT was that we might be heading down a road toward death panels????

Calm down, take a breath, and relax. There is no need for CAPITALS!

I am not saying what she meant, I was just explaining what happens in Europe... Isn't that what Obama wants? A socialized health system? Well, that's what you're gonna get if you go down that road.

Personally, I don't take a lot of notice of what Palin says.

Fucking moron.

 

[Greenbeard]

I am not saying what she meant, I was just explaining what happens in Europe... Isn't that what Obama wants? A socialized health system? Well, that's what you're gonna get if you go down that road.

Could you list the European countries in which citizens "have to stand in front of [a] 'death panel' so...bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their 'level of productivity in society,' whether they are worthy of health care."?

 

[Stephanie]

LOL, anyone notice the Lefties only have ONE thing to screech about over and over about this article from Mrs.Palin.


Death Panels.
sheesh,