Sanctuary City Question Leaves Gibbs Stammering

That is a straight up lie, There have been multiple cases around the country of people killed or raped or robbed by an illegal, who had been picked up more than once, and re released instead of being deported.
 
So only the federal government can try murder cases, because there are federal murder laws. Also, only federal marshalls can issue a speeding ticket on a US interstate? Are you retarded?
Murder is rarely a federal crime. But no, when and if it is deemed a federal crime it is tried in federal court.

The interstate thing is silly...there are no federal traffic cops and speed limits are not set by the fed.

Why is carjacking a federal crime? Or possession of a single small rock of crack?
I don't know, but neither should be.
 
Oh, Jesus...FoxNews.

A state doesn't have the jurisdiction to arrest people that are breaking federal law. They also don't have the jurisdiction to try, convict and sentence them.

They MAY assist the Feds but they cannot write laws that give them the power to implement Federal laws in this manner.

So only the federal government can try murder cases, because there are federal murder laws. Also, only federal marshalls can issue a speeding ticket on a US interstate? Are you retarded?
Murder is rarely a federal crime. But no, when and if it is deemed a federal crime it is tried in federal court.

The interstate thing is silly...there are no federal traffic cops and speed limits are not set by the fed.

Yet it is a federal road under their control. Sort of shoots holes in your little theory. Besides, states are allowed to assist the federal government in law enforcement. There are laws against being an illegal in this country. States have the right to enforce their own or federal law. Once again, 0bama is sending the wrong message to the world.
 
A state doesn't have the jurisdiction to arrest people that are breaking federal law. They also don't have the jurisdiction to try, convict and sentence them.

They MAY assist the Feds but they cannot write laws that give them the power to implement Federal laws in this manner.
HOLY HABEUS CORPUS, BATMAN!!

If I were you, I'd go file a class action against every state holding prisoners convicted by states of federal drug charges and secure their releases!
 
So only the federal government can try murder cases, because there are federal murder laws. Also, only federal marshalls can issue a speeding ticket on a US interstate? Are you retarded?
Murder is rarely a federal crime. But no, when and if it is deemed a federal crime it is tried in federal court.

The interstate thing is silly...there are no federal traffic cops and speed limits are not set by the fed.

Yet it is a federal road under their control. Sort of shoots holes in your little theory. Besides, states are allowed to assist the federal government in law enforcement. There are laws against being an illegal in this country. States have the right to enforce their own or federal law. Once again, 0bama is sending the wrong message to the world.
Actually, it turns out that though they are called federal roads...or interstate highways, and the fed gives money to the states to maintain them, the roads are actually owned by the states.

Pretty much why the 55 mph federal speed limit law was repealed.

It's pretty amusing to see you all arguing against states rights.
 
Murder is rarely a federal crime. But no, when and if it is deemed a federal crime it is tried in federal court.

The interstate thing is silly...there are no federal traffic cops and speed limits are not set by the fed.

Yet it is a federal road under their control. Sort of shoots holes in your little theory. Besides, states are allowed to assist the federal government in law enforcement. There are laws against being an illegal in this country. States have the right to enforce their own or federal law. Once again, 0bama is sending the wrong message to the world.
Actually, it turns out that though they are called federal roads...or interstate highways, and the fed gives money to the states to maintain them, the roads are actually owned by the states.

Pretty much why the 55 mph federal speed limit law was repealed.

It's pretty amusing to see you all arguing against states rights.

Wait now we are the ones arguing against states rights. Reality check Girl, You are the one opposed to Arizona's right to Pass laws about immigration. Not us :) Your hero Obama is the one SUING them claiming they do not as a state have a right to do what they did.

you are the worst spin doctor ever. Every time you post more BS, you look even more ignorant.
 
Yet it is a federal road under their control. Sort of shoots holes in your little theory. Besides, states are allowed to assist the federal government in law enforcement. There are laws against being an illegal in this country. States have the right to enforce their own or federal law. Once again, 0bama is sending the wrong message to the world.
Actually, it turns out that though they are called federal roads...or interstate highways, and the fed gives money to the states to maintain them, the roads are actually owned by the states.

Pretty much why the 55 mph federal speed limit law was repealed.

It's pretty amusing to see you all arguing against states rights.

Wait now we are the ones arguing against states rights. Reality check Girl, You are the one opposed to Arizona's right to Pass laws about immigration. Not us :) Your hero Obama is the one SUING them claiming they do not as a state have a right to do what they did.

you are the worst spin doctor ever. Every time you post more BS, you look even more ignorant.
I was under the impression we were discussing sanctuary cities...that is where you are all arguing against states rights.

But I do believe that the states cannot pass laws that are the jurisdiction of the federal government. The can chose to round people up and turn them over to ICE but they cannot bring charges against people for violating a federal law.
 
All that blathering doesn't mean anything. His point is valid.

Yes, but his hypocrisy is the irritating part. Both sides have done this and to even insinuate otherwise is patently dishonest.
 
So only the federal government can try murder cases, because there are federal murder laws. Also, only federal marshalls can issue a speeding ticket on a US interstate? Are you retarded?
Murder is rarely a federal crime. But no, when and if it is deemed a federal crime it is tried in federal court.

The interstate thing is silly...there are no federal traffic cops and speed limits are not set by the fed.

Yet it is a federal road under their control. Sort of shoots holes in your little theory. Besides, states are allowed to assist the federal government in law enforcement. There are laws against being an illegal in this country. States have the right to enforce their own or federal law. Once again, 0bama is sending the wrong message to the world.

Yep. Obama is stating that the Charter of Admission to becoming one of the States at the time they were admitted...means Zero...and the FED can do what they like...they WON thew Civil War don'tcha' know?:eusa_shhh:
 
Holy damn, an entire thread of Ravi once again proving her stupidity, and I have been missing it?

Well, I'm gonna have to read this whole thread and destroy her every post , once again.
 
Actually, it turns out that though they are called federal roads...or interstate highways, and the fed gives money to the states to maintain them, the roads are actually owned by the states.

Pretty much why the 55 mph federal speed limit law was repealed.

It's pretty amusing to see you all arguing against states rights.

Wait now we are the ones arguing against states rights. Reality check Girl, You are the one opposed to Arizona's right to Pass laws about immigration. Not us :) Your hero Obama is the one SUING them claiming they do not as a state have a right to do what they did.

you are the worst spin doctor ever. Every time you post more BS, you look even more ignorant.
I was under the impression we were discussing sanctuary cities...that is where you are all arguing against states rights.

But I do believe that the states cannot pass laws that are the jurisdiction of the federal government. The can chose to round people up and turn them over to ICE but they cannot bring charges against people for violating a federal law.


how is arguing against sanctuary cities being against state rights. You do know they are cities right. NOT STATES.

If a state were to pass sanctuary laws it would be challenged on the grounds that Obama is using to challenge Arizona right now as it would be a state impeding the Feds ability to do its job. See that is what you call an originalist view of the constitution. You support States rights up until those rights conflict with the supremacy clause. Which of course Arizona's law does not, but a Sanctuary state? Now that would.

States rights are not unlimited. They for example can not make war, if one were to claim they could. It would not be hypocritical for a states rights advocated to say they can't, Because States rights are limited by constitution in that case..

By the same token a state can not make laws that impede the Feds ability to do its duty. See Article VI, Clause 2. Of the constitution. A state can pass laws that enforce Federal law, they can not make laws that conflict with it. So it would not be hypocritical for a States rights advocate to be against a states right to pass sanctuary laws, let alone a cities, as said law would be a clear violation of the constitution.

See being for states rights goes hand in hand with being for a strict originalist interpretation of the constitution.

However don't let that stop you from making more ridicules comparisons like this one trying to say if you are against a CITY who made sanctuary laws you must be against states rights. Pretty funny logic their hun.
 
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States are neither required to enforce Federal immigration policies nor constitutionally allowed to arrest people for violating Federal immigration policies.

It's pretty simple, really.


Ravi's first error, of many I'm sure , in this thread.

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.


Article VI of the COTUS, it SPECIFICALLY says that no principality in the US can pass laws that are contrary to federal law.

Ravi fail 1, in this thread.
 
Where in the constitution does it say cities must enforce Federal immigration policy?

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.


Ravi Fail #2
 
Where in the constitution does it say cities must enforce Federal immigration policy?

Where does it say there is social security, medicare or unemployment insurance?
So your comment about officials swearing to uphold the constitution was a non-sequitur. Got it.

Clearly those who wish to ignore Article VI and those who wish to ignore immigration laws are the ones ignoring their oaths

Ravi fail #3
 
States aren't required to enforce Federal immigration policy. States aren't free to enact laws that allow them to arrest people for violating federal immigration policy.

Not sure where the confusion lies...but obviously many of you are confused.

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

States ARE required to enforce federal immigration laws

Ravi fail #4
 
Where in the constitution does it say cities must enforce Federal immigration policy?

I like this line of thought.

Using this logic the states don't have to enforce federal law. I really like this ravi now your thinking like states rights people, Kudos girl!!!
They don't do they? That's why we have the FBI, the ATF and the DEA. And ICE.

All of whom have agreements in place to receive help from local and state law enforcement, such as Section 287(g)

Immigration and Nationality Act Section 287(g) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Ravi fail #5
 
States aren't required to enforce Federal immigration policy. States aren't free to enact laws that allow them to arrest people for violating federal immigration policy.

Not sure where the confusion lies...but obviously many of you are confused.

The confusion lies in your head.

Federal law allows state and local law enforcement to assist in enforcing immigration law. Arizona is not trying to enforce policy, and the portions of the law requiring employers to check the immigration status of the people they hire are actually required by federal law, Arizona just imposes harsher penalties on employers who violate it. The feds routinely argue that states have the right to make laws that are tougher than federal laws, even if those laws actually affect producers on a national level. They will happily file a brief in favor of California's new requirement that all eggs sold in their state come from hens with enough room to move around, even if those eggs come from outside the border of California.

Believe it or not, this is entirely a partisan and politically motivated suit, one that is opposed even by the current Democratic candidate for the governor of Arizona. If you want to maintain your reputation as a partisan hack, feel free to keep posting in favor of the suit against Arizona.

Torn in Two Different Directions - Video - FoxNews.com
Oh, Jesus...FoxNews.

A state doesn't have the jurisdiction to arrest people that are breaking federal law. They also don't have the jurisdiction to try, convict and sentence them.

They MAY assist the Feds but they cannot write laws that give them the power to implement Federal laws in this manner.

SB 1070 is in fact NOT a new law, it is instead a directive for AZ LEO to start enforcing federal law, which many states already do in regards to immigration.

Ravi fail #6
 
It's not the same thing.

"That's different. Somehow. It just is. Neener neener!!"

:rofl:
:rolleyes:

States can't limit constitutionally granted rights...see the recent 2nd amendment case.

Actually , states CAN limit constitutionally GUARANTEED rights, they just have to show good cause.

By the way, the COTUS does NOT grant you rights, it simply guarantees thet without good cause the government won't take them from you.

Ravi fail #7
Ravi fail #8
 
Haven't we figured this out yet? AZ is doing nothing that they haven't always done if they find an illegal. They turn them over to ICE. Under their new law if they find an Illegal they will again and still turn them over to ICE. (and ICE will probably free them on this side of the border)

The only real change is that AZ will be busting more illegals and ICE will be setting more of them free.

Oh, and the Federal law suit, Obamas DOJ should loose this one easily.
Uh...no...they arrest them and hold them in jail and don't turn them over to ICE. That is the law they made...it is illegal to be in Arizona if you aren't a citizen or have a green card.

Subtle, yet different.

Now what are you babbling about? Of course they hold them in local jails until ICE takes custody.

From SB 1070

IF AN ALIEN WHO IS UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES IS
28 CONVICTED OF A VIOLATION OF STATE OR LOCAL LAW, ON DISCHARGE FROM
29 IMPRISONMENT OR ASSESSMENT OF ANY FINE THAT IS IMPOSED, THE ALIEN SHALL BE
30 TRANSFERRED IMMEDIATELY TO THE CUSTODY OF THE UNITED STATES IMMIGRATION AND
31 CUSTOMS ENFORCEMENT OR THE UNITED STATES CUSTOMS AND BORDER PROTECTION.

http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070s.pdf page 2

Ravi fail #9
 
Uh...no...they arrest them and hold them in jail and don't turn them over to ICE. That is the law they made...it is illegal to be in Arizona if you aren't a citizen or have a green card.

Subtle, yet different.

Clearly you need to read the law again. lol

They will only be held until ICE takes them. If Ice refuses to take them, well then who knows lol. That is kinda the whole point of the law. If the Feds were doing their job Arizona would never have passed their law.
ICE doesn't have the budget to deal with 20 million illegals. If they did, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Put your money where your mouth is.

You idiot, I shoved this argument up your ass where it belongs in another thread

ICE has a budget of $4.5B in fiscal year 2010 just for holding and deporting illegal immigrants, that doesn't include any other costs of ICE, just holding and deporting illegals

http://www.ice.gov/doclib/pi/news/factsheets/2010budgetfactsheet.doc

Anyone but the dumbest, meaning you , understands that 20M people aren't going to be rounded up and deported in one years time.

Ravi Fail #11
 

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