Sanctions against Iran

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[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MP_ICpOXV-Q]YouTube - Ron Paul April 23 2010 : Iran Sanctions = Act of War.[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdwHN2De33Q]YouTube - RON PAUL WAR PROPAGANDA! Today's Conversation Was Nothing But War Propaganda![/ame]

As the drumbeat for military action against Iran grows louder, some members of Congress are calling to expand the longstanding U.S. trade ban that bars American companies from investing in that nation. In fact, many war hawks in Washington are pushing for a comprehensive international embargo against Iran. The international response has been lukewarm, however, because the world needs Iranian oil. But we cannot underestimate the irrational, almost manic desire of some neoconservatives to attack Iran one way or another, even if it means crippling a major source of oil and destabilizing the worldwide economy.

Make no mistake about it: Economic sanctions are acts of aggression. Sanctions increase poverty and misery among the very poorest inhabitants of targeted nations, and they breed tremendous resentment against those imposing them. But they rarely hurt the political and economic elites responsible for angering American leaders in the first place.

In fact, few government policies are as destructive to our economy as the embargo.

While embargoes sound like strong, punitive action, in reality they represent a failed policy that four decades of experience prove doesn't work. Conversely, economic engagement is perhaps the single most effective tool in tearing down dictatorships and spreading the message of liberty.

It is important to note that economic engagement is not the same thing as foreign aid. Foreign aid, which should be abolished immediately, involves the US government spending American tax dollars to prop up other nations.

Embargoes only hurt the innocent of a targeted country. While it may be difficult for the leader of an embargoed nation to get a box of American-grown rice, he will get it one way or another. For the poor peasant in the remote section of his country, however, the food will be unavailable.

It is difficult to understand how denying access to food, medicine, and other products benefits anyone. Embargo advocates claim that denying people access to our products somehow creates opposition to the despised leader. The reality, though, is that hostilities are more firmly directed at America.

Father Robert Sirico, a Paulist priest, wrote in the Wall Street Journal that trade relations "strengthen people's loyalties to each other and weaken government power." To imagine that we somehow can spread the message of liberty to an oppressed nation by denying them access to our people and the bounty of our prosperity is contorted at best.

For more than thirty years we have embargoed Cuba in an attempt to drive Fidel Castro from power. Yet he remains in power. By contrast look at the Soviet Union, a nation we allowed our producers to engage economically. Of course the Soviet Union has collapsed.

Embargoes greatly harm our citizens. As the American agricultural industry continues to develop new technology to reduce costs and increase yields, it becomes more important for farmers and ranchers to find markets outside the United States to sell their goods so they can make ends meet. By preventing our farmers and ranchers from competing in the world market, we deny them very profitable opportunities.

Government meddling is always destructive to the free market; people inevitably will make wiser decisions about how to spend their money, with whom, and when, than politicians in Washington. Embargoes simply do not accomplish the ends advocates claim to desire, and are extremely harmful to the well-being of Americans.

Ron Paul
April 18, 2006
 
I don't think sanctions will work (and probably the Chinese and Russians will never allow any sanctions that bite anyway), the Iranian leadership does not care how much their people suffer, they want a nuclear bomb and the regional hegemony they believe it will grant them.

If they get one there will be a nuclear arms race in the Middle East, the Sunni states will not sit back and just suck it up, they will respond in kind.

This is in no one's interest, least of all the Iranian people's interest.

If there is still time to strike by air and knock this program back for a decade, then it is time to strike.
 
I don't think sanctions will work (and probably the Chinese and Russians will never allow any sanctions that bite anyway), the Iranian leadership does not care how much their people suffer, they want a nuclear bomb and the regional hegemony they believe it will grant them.

If they get one there will be a nuclear arms race in the Middle East, the Sunni states will not sit back and just suck it up, they will respond in kind.

This is in no one's interest, least of all the Iranian people's interest.

If there is still time to strike by air and knock this program back for a decade, then it is time to strike.

Who are we to decide which sovereign countries can and can't have technology that we've had for 60 some odd years?

Please explain to me from where we get that authority?
 
Well they are violating the nuclear non proliferation treaty which they signed.

Still, treaty or no, nations either act in the world to effect the type of world they want or they will be acted upon.

There has never really been such a thing as isolationism ever since we jumped down from the trees and started throwing rocks at each other.
 
Well they are violating the nuclear non proliferation treaty which they signed.

Still, treaty or no, nations either act in the world to effect the type of world they want or they will be acted upon.

There has never really been such a thing as isolationism ever since we jumped down from the trees and started throwing rocks at each other.

There is no evidence they're violating the Non-proliferation Treaty, and even if they did have a nuclear weapon it would not grant them any kind of regional hegemony.
 
Not according to the UN.

Still, if Iran is not then they should have no problem with unfettered inspections, right?

If they get a nuclear weapon then they have the cover to assert pressure in countries with large Shia populations, such as Iraq or Bahrain, knowing those nations can not respond in kind, so the Sunni nations in the regions will respond in kind.

Presto! We have a nuclear arms race in the world's most volatile region.

I don't think that is a great idea.

And given Iran has a record of supporting terrorists writ large, violating the sovereignty of fellow regional states such as Lebanon, it would be foolish to assume they would not pass on nuclear material to their terror proxies if they felt it to their strategic advantage.
 
I don't think sanctions will work (and probably the Chinese and Russians will never allow any sanctions that bite anyway), the Iranian leadership does not care how much their people suffer, they want a nuclear bomb and the regional hegemony they believe it will grant them.

If they get one there will be a nuclear arms race in the Middle East, the Sunni states will not sit back and just suck it up, they will respond in kind.

This is in no one's interest, least of all the Iranian people's interest.

If there is still time to strike by air and knock this program back for a decade, then it is time to strike.

Who are we to decide which sovereign countries can and can't have technology that we've had for 60 some odd years?

Please explain to me from where we get that authority?

We are the guys not threatening to blow people off the map simply because they aren't Muslims.
 
I don't think sanctions will work (and probably the Chinese and Russians will never allow any sanctions that bite anyway), the Iranian leadership does not care how much their people suffer, they want a nuclear bomb and the regional hegemony they believe it will grant them.

If they get one there will be a nuclear arms race in the Middle East, the Sunni states will not sit back and just suck it up, they will respond in kind.

This is in no one's interest, least of all the Iranian people's interest.

If there is still time to strike by air and knock this program back for a decade, then it is time to strike.

Who are we to decide which sovereign countries can and can't have technology that we've had for 60 some odd years?

Please explain to me from where we get that authority?

We are the guys not threatening to blow people off the map simply because they aren't Muslims.

Right. We're the guys threatening the Muslims because they won't do what we tell them.
 
I don't think sanctions will work (and probably the Chinese and Russians will never allow any sanctions that bite anyway), the Iranian leadership does not care how much their people suffer, they want a nuclear bomb and the regional hegemony they believe it will grant them.

If they get one there will be a nuclear arms race in the Middle East, the Sunni states will not sit back and just suck it up, they will respond in kind.

This is in no one's interest, least of all the Iranian people's interest.

If there is still time to strike by air and knock this program back for a decade, then it is time to strike.

Who are we to decide which sovereign countries can and can't have technology that we've had for 60 some odd years?

Please explain to me from where we get that authority?

We are the guys not threatening to blow people off the map simply because they aren't Muslims.

That quote you're referring to has actually been proven to be a misquote but due to it's effectiveness as anti-Iranian propaganda has spread like wildfire.

The actual quote was...

"This regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time"

Seems like more than a minor difference in quotes to me...
 
A rare gem of a speech from Dr. Paul, whose economic positions I abhor. "Neoconservatives" in America see in Iran's corrupt sham of a theocracy exactly the form of government they desire for the United States. The only problem is that, in their minds, Iran chose the wrong religion.
 
We are the guys not threatening to blow people off the map simply because they aren't Muslims.
If that's why you believe the statement was made, you're more delusional than both Iran and the fools who want the drag this nation into war with it.
 
I don't think sanctions will work (and probably the Chinese and Russians will never allow any sanctions that bite anyway), the Iranian leadership does not care how much their people suffer, they want a nuclear bomb and the regional hegemony they believe it will grant them.

If they get one there will be a nuclear arms race in the Middle East, the Sunni states will not sit back and just suck it up, they will respond in kind.

This is in no one's interest, least of all the Iranian people's interest.

If there is still time to strike by air and knock this program back for a decade, then it is time to strike.
The West's resistance to Iran's nuclear program has turned it into a matter of national pride and generated nearly universal support for it among Iranians. Air-strikes will trigger a war that you do not want and your victory, if you have one, will be Pyrrhic. There is already a rogue nation in the Middle East with nuclear power and denying that right to others makes no sense unless it's denied to everyone.
 
I don't think sanctions will work (and probably the Chinese and Russians will never allow any sanctions that bite anyway), the Iranian leadership does not care how much their people suffer, they want a nuclear bomb and the regional hegemony they believe it will grant them.

If they get one there will be a nuclear arms race in the Middle East, the Sunni states will not sit back and just suck it up, they will respond in kind.

This is in no one's interest, least of all the Iranian people's interest.

If there is still time to strike by air and knock this program back for a decade, then it is time to strike.
The West's resistance to Iran's nuclear program has turned it into a matter of national pride and generated nearly universal support for it among Iranians. Air-strikes will trigger a war that you do not want and your victory, if you have one, will be Pyrrhic. There is already a rogue nation in the Middle East with nuclear power and denying that right to others makes no sense unless it's denied to everyone.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XQan1qo8T4]YouTube - UN Inspector Scott Ritter: Fools would Bomb Iran[/ame]
 
Oh I understand how the Iranian government uses the threat of American air strikes to whip up nationalism and crush all dissent within their country, to destroy what forms of democracy they have, unfortunately the US and West in general do not have the luxury of playing the Wiggles and slowly coaching Iran into some form of real consensual government, not when they are going to get a weapon that will change the entire paradigm in the Middle East.

The war the US and other Sunni states do not want is the one with Iran and a nuclear weapon.

Some times you have to do tough to avoid horrorific.
 
Oh I understand how the Iranian government uses the threat of American air strikes to whip up nationalism and crush all dissent within their country, to destroy what forms of democracy they have, unfortunately the US and West in general do not have the luxury of playing the Wiggles and slowly coaching Iran into some form of real consensual government, not when they are going to get a weapon that will change the entire paradigm in the Middle East.

The war the US and other Sunni states do not want is the one with Iran and a nuclear weapon.

Some times you have to do tough to avoid horrorific.
Drag Iran into a war and watch as the United States comes to be regarded by all Muslims as an unchecked aggressor and an enemy of the religion. "Tough" will ensure that planes are flown into our skyscrapers much more frequently. Keeping out of it will ensure that on the off-chance (as in virtually no possibility) that Iran does initiate a conflict within the region, it will be the target of the jihad instead and the West will be left out of the conflict.
 
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Oh I understand how the Iranian government uses the threat of American air strikes to whip up nationalism and crush all dissent within their country, to destroy what forms of democracy they have, unfortunately the US and West in general do not have the luxury of playing the Wiggles and slowly coaching Iran into some form of real consensual government, not when they are going to get a weapon that will change the entire paradigm in the Middle East.

The war the US and other Sunni states do not want is the one with Iran and a nuclear weapon.

Some times you have to do tough to avoid horrorific.
Drag Iran into a war and watch as the United States comes to be regarded by all Muslims as an unchecked aggressor and an enemy of the religion. "Tough" will ensure that planes are flown into our skyscrapers much more frequently. Keeping out of it will ensure that on the off-chance (as in virtually no possibility) that Iran does initiate a conflict within the region, it will be the target of the jihad instead and the West will be left out of the conflict.



Many Muslims will regard the US as aggressor no matter what the US does, see how the US helped Muslims in Afghanistan against the Soviets and how Afghanistan repaid the US.

Still many Sunni Muslims do not want Iran to have a nuclear bomb, and if Iran does they will be asking the US to help them get one, even while in typical Muslim fashion, condemning the US at the same time.

The key here is the US is outside of the Islamic insanity while the one power who can contain, if not control it.
 
So to right that historical wrong we allow a theocratic tyranny develop a nuclear weapon?

Even a drunk can not make that strategic logic add up.

Just pointing out the irony of the US getting emo about the way Iran governs itself...
 

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