San Francisco Bart Shooting , Trial, & Riot

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    San Francisco Bart Shooting , Trial, & Riot

    Oakland riots, looting after manslaughter verdict in BART shooting trial (video, photos)

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    I get this much, a transit cop shot an unarmed man who was handcuffed and lying face down, prone, on a sidewalk. The cop said he thought he reached for his taser, when in reality he grabbed his gun -- and shot.

    I have a difficult time believing a cop shot a guy on the street, in public, over a minor infraction.

    The riot I understand, from the perspective of people who fear the police, is that cops get away from murder.

    btw, a friend of the guy who was shot, said the cop was saying "I will taser you" before he pulled his gun and shot. The friend of the guy who was shot says the cop looked very shocked when the everyone realized a shot was fired.

    yet there is a legitimate question being raised by others: do cops get away with murder?
     
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    How is that a legitimate question when in fact THIS cop was found guilty? By the way, rioting is never okay.
     
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    Actually, I don't see why anyone is rioting when he was found guilty.
     
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    He shot the man point blank for doing what?
     
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    It wasn't a San Francisco incident.

    As I live in Oaklandtown, here are my observations regarding the events last night.

    First, I did not alter my normal commute habits despite the hyper sensationalism of Riot-palooza. I took BART from SF at 7pm, passing through the station near ground zero of the protest. The trip was completely uneventful, except for the extra comfort of the training being a bit less crowded than usual.

    Local stations KTVU (2) and KRON (4) were both covering the situation, although the former bailed out to start the regularly scheduled broadcast of "Glee". KRON's coverage was more thorough - more reporters on the ground and in the crowd.

    I saw three distinct groups of "protestors":

    - Actual Oaklanders who were "mourners" and peacefully protesting. These were the majority of the original 800 group which shrank to 300-400 by around 8pm. They were cooperative with the police, and there to exercise their first amendment rights. I disagree with most of their interpretations of the verdict, but sympathize with their dismay.

    - The second group was identified by Police Chief Batts (whom I admire quite a bit) as Anarchist types of the ilk who protest at the G20 and WTO events. These are pretty much a staple at most protests in the Bay Area, with the exception of Tea Party Events. Batts estimated that there were at least 50 of these in the crowd. A few tried to incite violence among group one, and failed. Four were isolated, dressed in black and wearing face masks, and arrested around dusk. As they were cuffing them, I could see that they were all young caucasians (college age / early 20s).

    - The third group showed up later and were the typical lawless gang-banger looter types that plague many big cities.

    - 83 people were arrested; most of them are not Oakland residents.

    - There was less looting than after recent Superbowls and NBA championships in other cities.

    - The cops did an admirable job of crowd control and getting the peaceful citizens to largely disperse so they were not caught up when the looters erupted.

    - Chief Batts was a class act in how he handled the periodic press conference: professional, calm, competent. Our horrible mayor Ron "Carpet Bagger" Dellums was a stark contrast with his inane Stuart Smalley-Ghandi in a nehru jacket impersonation.

    All in all, I think the police handled a difficult situation in a calm, professional manner - and can't help but wonder how much of the looting was due to the media hype. Claiming that there are going to be riots may encourage people to show up and riot. Given that the perpetrators were largely not from Oakland, it's likely that the media hype exacerbated the situation.
     
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    Riotng is never okay? hmmm, tell that to the East Germans, the Filipinos, the Polish, the anti-communists, the anti-fascists...

    The verdict in the case above does not de-legitimize the question: do cops get away with murder? Saying it does is deflection on display.
     
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    They dont seem to understand that the Boston tea party was a riot
     
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    disingenuous as usual? sigh

    I get why they are rioting even though I with many of the basic premises of the arguments the rioters would use.
     
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    He shot the man by accident. He wanted to taser a resisting arrest person who was fighting being handcuffed.
     
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    What do you think of the verdict and what do you believe happened with the shooting?
     

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