San Diego plane crash an "inside job"

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    Think about it.

    On this day in 1980, John Lennon was murdered. By Mark David Chapman, son of an Air Force staff sergeant.

    Now, the plane that crashed was from Miramar, a Navy Base. But in 2005, the Base Realignment and Closure Commission (BRAC) recommended that the Marine Corp Air Station Miramar be relocated to Elgin AFB, the same branch of the service as Mr. Chapman's father.

    Furthermore, BRAC 2005 was chaired by Anthony Principi, who was Acting Secretary of Veteran's Affairs under George H.W. Bush.

    And who was Secretary of Defense under George H.W. Bush? None other than current VP Dick Cheney.

    Yep. That's right.

    Think this crash on this date was an accident? If so, you're just swallowing what the government-media complex wants you to believe.

    Everything in this post is true. Check for yourself.
     
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    when investigating a crime we must first ask... Cui bono ...To whose benefit?"..its not like this accident would give someone the reason for preemptive war ..huge defense contracts..greater domestic spying powers..massive budgets...unlike other incidents might
     
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    Guy kills Lennon...a figurehead for 'peace'.

    BRAC wants Miramar base moved, but it doesn't get moved.

    Cheney is VP, Miramar plane crashes.

    You don't see the link?

    Why are you such a media shill, eots?

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    well your welcome to your belief though i doubt very much that you can provide astronauts or top level nasa researchers or top gun flight instructors or norad tac directors to share your belief as...I CAN



    Capt. Edgar Mitchell, U.S. Navy (ret), BS Industrial Management, BS Aeronautical Engineering, Doctor of Science, Aeronautics and Astronautics from MIT – Pilot and Astronaut. Sixth man to walk on the moon (Apollo 14 mission). Patrol bomber and attack plane pilot, U.S. Navy. Test Pilot, Air Test and Evaluation Squadron 5 (VX-5). Chief of Project Management Division, Navy Field Office for the Manned Orbiting Laboratory Project. Graduated first in his class from the Aerospace Research Pilot School, and served as an instructor there. Recipient of many awards and honors including the Presidential Medal of Freedom, the USN Distinguished Medal and three NASA Group Achievement Awards. Inducted to the Space Hall of Fame in 1979 and the Astronaut Hall of Fame in 1998. Recipient of honorary doctorates in engineering from New Mexico State University, the University of Akron, Carnegie Mellon University, and a ScD from Embry-Riddle University. Founder of the Institute of Noetic Sciences.
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    Major Douglas Rokke, PhD, U.S. Army (ret) – Former Director U.S. Army Depleted Uranium Project. 30-year Army career.

    Article 8/19/05: Regarding the impact at the Pentagon on 9/11/2001 "When you look at the whole thing, especially the crash site void of airplane parts, the size of the hole left in the building and the fact the projectile's impact penetrated numerous concrete walls, it looks like the work of a missile. And when you look at the damage, it was obviously a missile." Jeff Rense Program


    Editor's note: For more information on the impact at the Pentagon, see General Stubblebine, Colonel Nelson, Commander Muga, Lt. Col. Kwiatkowski, Lt. Col. Latas, Capt. Wittenberg, Capt. Davis, Barbara Honegger, April Gallop, Colonel Bunel, and Steve




    Capt. Daniel Davis, U.S. Army – Former U.S. Army Air Defense Officer and NORAD Tac Director. Decorated with the Bronze Star and the Soldiers Medal for bravery under fire and the Purple Heart for injuries sustained in Viet Nam. Also served in the Army Air Defense Command as Nike Missile Battery Control Officer for the Chicago-Milwaukee Defense Area. Founder and former CEO of Turbine Technology Services Corp., a turbine (jet engine) services and maintenance company (15 years). Former Senior Manager at General Electric Turbine (jet) Engine Division (15 years). Private pilot.

    Statement to this website 3/23/07: "As a former General Electric Turbine engineering specialist and manager and then CEO of a turbine engineering company, I can guarantee that none of the high tech, high temperature alloy engines on any of the four planes that crashed on 9/11 would be completely destroyed, burned, shattered or melted in any crash or fire. Wrecked, yes, but not destroyed. Where are all of those engines, particularly at the Pentagon? If jet powered aircraft crashed on 9/11, those engines, plus wings and tail assembly, would be there.

    Additionally, in my experience as an officer in NORAD as a Tactical Director for the Chicago-Milwaukee Air Defense and as a current private pilot, there is no way that an aircraft on instrument flight plans (all commercial flights are IFR) would not be intercepted when they deviate from their flight plan, turn off their transponders, or stop communication with Air Traffic Control. No way! With very bad luck, perhaps one could slip by, but no there's no way all four of them could!

    Finally, going over the hill and highway and crashing into the Pentagon right at the wall/ground interface is nearly impossible for even a small slow single engine airplane and no way for a 757. Maybe the best pilot in the world could accomplish that but not these unskilled "terrorists".

    Attempts to obscure facts by calling them a "Conspiracy Theory" does not change the truth. It seems, "Something is rotten in the State."


    Editor's note: For more information on the impact at the Pentagon, see General Stubblebine, Colonel Nelson, Commander Muga, Lt. Col. Kwiatkowski, Lt. Col. Latas, Major Rokke, Capt. Wittenberg, Barbara Honegger, April Gallop, Colonel Bunel, and Steve DeChiaro.


    Statement in support of Architects and Engineers petition:

    "The government conspiracy theory does not hold up to scrutiny. As a professional with over 30 years experience working with gas turbines (jet engines) and fuels - kerosene (jet fuel) does not burn in any open flame hot enough to effect steel - well under 1000 deg F. Also bogus are the explanations regarding why no planes were intercepted. SOP [Standard Operating Procedure] is they are always, always intercepted if they stray off course and/or turn off the transponder like these flights all did. No command decision needed. Has our government ever been untruthful to us?" AE911Truth


    Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11, signed by more than 500 Architects and Engineers:

    "On Behalf of the People of the United States of America, the undersigned Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth and affiliates hereby petition for, and demand, a truly independent investigation with subpoena power in order to uncover the full truth surrounding the events of 9/11/01 - specifically the collapse of the World Trade Center Towers and Building 7. We believe that there is sufficient doubt about the official story and therefore that the 9/11 investigation must be re-opened and must include a full inquiry into the possible use of explosives that may have been the actual cause behind the destruction of the World Trade Center Towers and WTC Building 7." Sign the Petition


    Dwain Deets, MS Physics, MS Eng – Former Director, Aerospace Projects, NASA Dryden Flight Research Center. Before this appointment, he served as Director, Research Engineering Division at Dryden. Recipient of the NASA Exceptional Service Award and the Presidential Meritorious Rank Award in the Senior Executive Service (1988). Selected presenter of the Wright Brothers Lectureship in Aeronautics, a distinguished speaking engagement sponsored by the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics (AIAA) (1986). Included in "Who's Who in Science and Engineering" 1993 - 2000. Former Chairman of the Aerospace Control and Guidance Systems Committee of the Society of Automotive Engineers. Former Member, AIAA Committee on Society and Aerospace Technology. 37 year NASA career.
    Statement in support of Architects and Engineers petition:
    "The many visual images (massive structural members being hurled horizontally, huge pyroclastic clouds, etc.) leave no doubt in my mind explosives were involved [in the destruction of the World Trade Center]." AE911Truth


    Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11, signed by more than 500 Architects and Engineers:

    "On Behalf of the People of the United States of America, the undersigned Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth and affiliates hereby petition for, and demand, a truly independent investigation with subpoena power in order to uncover the full truth surrounding the events of 9/11/01 - specifically the collapse of the World Trade Center Towers and Building 7. We believe that there is sufficient doubt about the official story and therefore that the 9/11 investigation must be re-opened and must include a full inquiry into the possible use of explosives that may have been the actual cause behind the destruction of the World Trade Center Towers and WTC Building 7." Sign the Petition




    Patriots Question 9/11 - Responsible Criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report
     
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    As you see it goes back to who has authority. EOTS or myself does not fit the description of authority that the United States Government has taught the citizens of America.

    I am not a politician or back by the United States Government, so it doesn't matter who I say I have been given the information from, if it is not on TV and CNN, FOX, MSNBC didn't report it, or a government official on those networks it can't be real.

    You know its because its on TV it has to be True. :eusa_liar:

    That is all the general American people rely on.

    So lets as the same question asked before, CUI BONO?

    Proof and evidence are the tools of the government as they have the resources needed to generate a huge project out of the blue in a few days/weeks. They have hooked you on it when you were younger and have taught if proof is presented to you by an authoritative figure(i.e. Scientist, Astronaut, President, what ever the expertise is need) then it is true. Now this is taught to everyone this day and age and that is why we in the conspiracy forum always have the "normal" people(and I use that term very loosely so they know that I am relating to them) coming in and asking for proof and evidence and when EOTS or 9/11 gives it to them they all just complain and debate it and have some other websites ready to counter that their experts have proven.

    So get the game, we can debate all we want but in the end it will not do anything to change anything until someone with more authority over the sheep says so, or when enough people see UFO's and Aliens and get their own proof.


    WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE GOVERNMENT OR THE PEOPLE ARE SAYING IS TRUE UNTIL WE HAVE EXPERIENCED IT FOR OURSELVES.
    YOU ONLY BELIEVE THEM BECAUSE THEY SHOW YOU PRETTY PICTURES. WHO HERE HAS EVER SEEN A MOVIE BEFORE? DID YOU SEE SOME AMAZING THINGS THAT LOOKED REAL? SO THE EVIDENCE THAT THE GOVERNMENT SHOWED YOU AND SCIENTIST SHOW YOU WITH YOUR OWN EYES IN THE PRESENCE OF THE EXPERIMENT OR WAS IT A PRETTY PICTURE WITH WORLDS NEXT TO IT? That is what I thought you know nothing you have only been told it and accept it. So quantum physic's did you see it on TV with a bunch of generated graphics and a cool voice. Stupid movie magic making everything real even science.

    Everybody in the entire world had no choice when they were born but to go into the machine already in work. Many do it because that is what they think society wants them to do, when it is really only the government, the same one that plotted 9/11 and killing people slowly and possible E.T. connections that want you to slave yourself and lower your standards and keep their system working.

    So CIU BONO?

    Who benefits from all your
    hard work
    taxes
    passions
    children
    life

    THE GOVERNMENT DOES----

    I can accept yourself, for the most part but that does not mean you have to settle and lower your standards. Too many people are content because they fear death or not being popular. Those times have to pass and we have to change our thinking to think for ourselves first and then others. If we care about the well being of ourselves now then we care about the well being of the future.

    Don't even tell me about some crap like, "it could be worse if you lived in China be happy for what you got." Those people being oppressed in 3rd world countries are the same ones that want you to become the lower class and they make you content by showing pictures of how things could be worse for you. That is only to make you stay in line.

    SHEEP! UNPOLYMORPH YOURSELVES! You don't have to follow everyone in to those blades.



    Can I at least get some consideration from the people that follow the standards set by the government, please do not try to make me be just like you because you can accept others saying what you can and can not do and deciding the way you survive and live life.

    We are in this together no matter what and when the shit hits the fan you will be looking for someone like me for your answers.

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    The "government" isn't benefitting. The government is owned
     
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    I can't tell if this is a joke or just the weirdest thread on here. :confused:
     
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    It started as a joke, then the tin foil brigade showed up.
     
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    then do some research ..with a open mind and you will soon realize 911 was an inside job
     

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