Safety net effect on children

[beretta304]

When safety nets strangle

"THIS is what poverty sometimes looks like in America: parents here in Appalachian hill country pulling their children out of literacy classes. Moms and dads fear that if kids learn to read, they are less likely to qualify for a monthly check for having an intellectual disability.

Many people in hillside mobile homes here are poor and desperate, and a$698 monthly check per child from the Supplemental Security Income program goes a long way — and those checks continue until the child turns 18.

“The kids get taken out of the program because the parents are going to lose the check,” said Billie Oaks, who runs a literacy program here in Breathitt County, a poor part of Kentucky. “It’s heartbreaking.”

This is painful for a liberal to admit, but conservatives have a point when they suggest that America’s safety net can sometimes entangle people in a soul-crushing dependency. Our poverty programs do rescue many people, but other times they backfire.

Some young people here don’t join the military (a traditional escape route for poor, rural Americans) because it’s easier to rely on food stamps and disability payments."


When safety nets strangle « Hot Air

 

[syrenn]

I realize the right doesn't like spending money on children, but a new study shows a net benefit for children that have access to food stamp programs. Hey, and women, too!

Our findings indicate that the food stamp program has effects decades after initial exposure. Specifically, access to food stamps in childhood leads to a significant reduction in the incidence of “metabolic syndrome” (obesity, high blood pressure, and diabetes) and, for women, an increase in economic self-sufficiency. Overall, our results suggest substantial internal and external benefits of the safety net that have not previously been quantified.

Long Run Impacts of Childhood Access to the Safety Net

Did single women ever stop and think what the net effect is on having children while single?

of course.... 18 years of government support.

 

[beretta304]

The study shows you to be incorrect.I shouldn't be amazed at how married you nutters are to your beliefs but I am.

And you keep ignoring this:


Time to Stop Social Safety Net Child Abuse

“This is painful for a liberal to admit, but conservatives have a point when they suggest that America’s safety net can sometimes entangle people in a soul-crushing dependency. Our poverty programs do rescue many people, but other times they backfire.”

Kristof finds a number of cases where well-intentioned social-service programs produce perverse incentives that work to keep people in poverty rather than lift them out. Briefly, from a column that should be read carefully in full, those examples include a financial incentive to keep children illiterate, welfare benefits that punish marriage, and the ease in which children move from poverty programs to disability programs as adults.


The result, as Kristof discovered to his discomfiture, is precisely the kind of institutionalized poverty and dependency that safety-net programs produce when designed or expanded poorly. From a societal point of view, it’s a form of child abuse.


If we want to save these programs to help the truly needy and lift people out of poverty, we need to put these programs on solid fiscal footing. That will mean rethinking every such program’s benefits, eligibility, and administration in a way that puts costs at a reasonable and sustainable level. Otherwise, we face a fiscal crash that would discredit these programs forever.


Read more at Time to Stop Social Safety Net Child Abuse

Someone's repeating of nutter talking points isn't credible.

And your failed as well as lying premise that started it..is.



"I realize the right doesn't like spending money on children"----RAVI

 

[Stephanie]

Saftey nets used to done by charities, now they are expected from the people who work and pay taxes

 

[Valerie]

And you keep ignoring this:


Time to Stop Social Safety Net Child Abuse

“This is painful for a liberal to admit, but conservatives have a point when they suggest that America’s safety net can sometimes entangle people in a soul-crushing dependency. Our poverty programs do rescue many people, but other times they backfire.”

Kristof finds a number of cases where well-intentioned social-service programs produce perverse incentives that work to keep people in poverty rather than lift them out. Briefly, from a column that should be read carefully in full, those examples include a financial incentive to keep children illiterate, welfare benefits that punish marriage, and the ease in which children move from poverty programs to disability programs as adults.


The result, as Kristof discovered to his discomfiture, is precisely the kind of institutionalized poverty and dependency that safety-net programs produce when designed or expanded poorly. From a societal point of view, it’s a form of child abuse.


If we want to save these programs to help the truly needy and lift people out of poverty, we need to put these programs on solid fiscal footing. That will mean rethinking every such program’s benefits, eligibility, and administration in a way that puts costs at a reasonable and sustainable level. Otherwise, we face a fiscal crash that would discredit these programs forever.


Read more at Time to Stop Social Safety Net Child Abuse

Someone's repeating of nutter talking points isn't credible.

And your failed as well as lying premise that started it..is.

You've actually supported her premise that the the Right doesn't like spending money on children... Most have never met a safety net they didn't dislike, before they even bothered to consider the possible benefits... That there is abuse and glut in the system, while true, does not take away from the net benefit proven in this and other studies.

 

[beretta304]

Someone's repeating of nutter talking points isn't credible.

And your failed as well as lying premise that started it..is.

You've actually supported her premise that the the Right doesn't like spending money on children... Most have never met a safety net they didn't dislike, before they even bothered to consider the possible benefits... That there is abuse and glut in the system, while true, does not take away from the net benefit proven in this and other studies.

Conjectureon your part. Not a fact to make your case...next.


Definition of CONJECTURE
1obsolete a : interpretation of omens b : supposition
2a : inference from defective or presumptive evidence b : a conclusion deduced by surmise or guesswork

 

[Paulie]

I realize the right doesn't like spending money on children, but a new study shows a net benefit for children that have access to food stamp programs. Hey, and women, too!

Our findings indicate that the food stamp program has effects decades after initial exposure. Specifically, access to food stamps in childhood leads to a significant reduction in the incidence of “metabolic syndrome” (obesity, high blood pressure, and diabetes) and, for women, an increase in economic self-sufficiency. Overall, our results suggest substantial internal and external benefits of the safety net that have not previously been quantified.

Long Run Impacts of Childhood Access to the Safety Net

That's not true. I like to spend money on zygotes. That's a children.

 

[Katzndogz]

When safety nets strangle

"THIS is what poverty sometimes looks like in America: parents here in Appalachian hill country pulling their children out of literacy classes. Moms and dads fear that if kids learn to read, they are less likely to qualify for a monthly check for having an intellectual disability.

Many people in hillside mobile homes here are poor and desperate, and a$698 monthly check per child from the Supplemental Security Income program goes a long way — and those checks continue until the child turns 18.

“The kids get taken out of the program because the parents are going to lose the check,” said Billie Oaks, who runs a literacy program here in Breathitt County, a poor part of Kentucky. “It’s heartbreaking.”

This is painful for a liberal to admit, but conservatives have a point when they suggest that America’s safety net can sometimes entangle people in a soul-crushing dependency. Our poverty programs do rescue many people, but other times they backfire.

Some young people here don’t join the military (a traditional escape route for poor, rural Americans) because it’s easier to rely on food stamps and disability payments."


When safety nets strangle « Hot Air

Go down to the Social Security office and see how many women are there applying for SSI for mentally disabled children. Children are taught how to act so mom will get the crazy check.

Americans are really no different than beggars in New Delhi. The beggars will break their children's bones so as to be sympathetically deformed and make more money as a beggar than those not deformed.

 

[Valerie]

Part of the reason Mitt Romney failed to get elected was that he espoused slashing and burning everything indiscriminately, and success to him was only all about dollar signs.

The popular GOP talking point became that people wouldn't vote for him because the 47% were clinging to all their free stuff to support their lazy liberal asses. Most Americans understood the real-life ramifications of throwing out the baby with the bathwater, so to speak, and they rejected Mitt's approach to things.

Cutting a budget based on numbers alone is EASY!!!

 

[beretta304]

Part of the reason Mitt Romney failed to get elected was that he espoused slashing and burning everything indiscriminately, and success to him was only all about dollar signs.
The popular GOP talking point became that people wouldn't vote for him because the 47% were clinging to all their free stuff to support their lazy liberal asses. Most Americans understood the real-life ramifications of throwing out the baby with the bathwater, so to speak, and they rejected Mitt's approach to things.

Cutting a budget based on numbers alone is EASY!!!

Not a damned thing to do with the topic...next!

 

[Valerie]

Part of the reason Mitt Romney failed to get elected was that he espoused slashing and burning everything indiscriminately, and success to him was only all about dollar signs.
The popular GOP talking point became that people wouldn't vote for him because the 47% were clinging to all their free stuff to support their lazy liberal asses. Most Americans understood the real-life ramifications of throwing out the baby with the bathwater, so to speak, and they rejected Mitt's approach to things.

Cutting a budget based on numbers alone is EASY!!!

Not a damned thing to do with the topic...next!

Aww you imagine yourself as the thread police, do you...?

Deep cuts proposed by the House leadership for the remainder of the fiscal year would slash millions of dollars from programs such as CDBG, COPS and WIC that are viewed as crucial by state and local leaders.
GOP Cuts Would Hit COPS, WIC, Other Grant Programs

 

[beretta304]

Part of the reason Mitt Romney failed to get elected was that he espoused slashing and burning everything indiscriminately, and success to him was only all about dollar signs.
The popular GOP talking point became that people wouldn't vote for him because the 47% were clinging to all their free stuff to support their lazy liberal asses. Most Americans understood the real-life ramifications of throwing out the baby with the bathwater, so to speak, and they rejected Mitt's approach to things.

Cutting a budget based on numbers alone is EASY!!!

Not a damned thing to do with the topic...next!

Aww you imagine yourself as the thread police, do you...?

Deep cuts proposed by the House leadership for the remainder of the fiscal year would slash millions of dollars from programs such as CDBG, COPS and WIC that are viewed as crucial by state and local leaders.
GOP Cuts Would Hit COPS, WIC, Other Grant Programs

More straw?

 

[WillowTree]

Part of the reason Mitt Romney failed to get elected was that he espoused slashing and burning everything indiscriminately, and success to him was only all about dollar signs.
The popular GOP talking point became that people wouldn't vote for him because the 47% were clinging to all their free stuff to support their lazy liberal asses. Most Americans understood the real-life ramifications of throwing out the baby with the bathwater, so to speak, and they rejected Mitt's approach to things.

Cutting a budget based on numbers alone is EASY!!!

Not a damned thing to do with the topic...next!

Aww you imagine yourself as the thread police, do you...?

Deep cuts proposed by the House leadership for the remainder of the fiscal year would slash millions of dollars from programs such as CDBG, COPS and WIC that are viewed as crucial by state and local leaders.
GOP Cuts Would Hit COPS, WIC, Other Grant Programs

Democrats have two choices, get some more taxpayers or make some cuts, the rich simply cannot afford your list of wants and gotta haves.

 

[Valerie]

Not a damned thing to do with the topic...next!

Aww you imagine yourself as the thread police, do you...?

More straw?



Deep cuts proposed by the House leadership for the remainder of the fiscal year would slash millions of dollars from programs such as CDBG, COPS and WIC that are viewed as crucial by state and local leaders.
GOP Cuts Would Hit COPS, WIC, Other Grant Programs

Suurrre you could... The OP does not pose an argument for debate but offers the food stamp study as information for the edification of the reader, but you go on with your bad self and keep trying to WIN something, goofball.

 

[Valerie]

Not a damned thing to do with the topic...next!

Aww you imagine yourself as the thread police, do you...?

Deep cuts proposed by the House leadership for the remainder of the fiscal year would slash millions of dollars from programs such as CDBG, COPS and WIC that are viewed as crucial by state and local leaders.
GOP Cuts Would Hit COPS, WIC, Other Grant Programs

Democrats have two choices, get some more taxpayers or make some cuts, the rich simply cannot afford your list of wants and gotta haves.

It's not MY list, Willow... It's the list of state and local leaders who have set priorities for their constituents who elected them...

 

[beretta304]

Aww you imagine yourself as the thread police, do you...?

More straw?



Deep cuts proposed by the House leadership for the remainder of the fiscal year would slash millions of dollars from programs such as CDBG, COPS and WIC that are viewed as crucial by state and local leaders.
GOP Cuts Would Hit COPS, WIC, Other Grant Programs

Suurrre you could... The OP does not pose an argument for debate but offers the food stamp study as information for the edification of the reader, but you go on with your bad self and keep trying to WIN something, goofball.

You're an ass! No nice way to put it. Try reading post # 2 to see what I asked her to prove dumbell. That's right you don't read or need facts or the truth. Just make it up as you go along. No one is looking to win a thing. You've been rebuffed, refuted and retorted. You haven't made a case for a thing. You tried to tag team with the other idiot and that failed as well. Now you're name calling because you're out of gas and facts as well.

So back at ya, sweety. You're dumb as shit and a piss-poor, miserable poster when on your own. Happy New Year. Maybe you can make a resolution to actually reply to what's being said instead of always looking for a fight and mocking when you have no response.

 

[Ravi]

i am pretty sure other study's could show the opposite effect.

From what I can tell, this is the most non-partisan group out there so I doubt it. But feel free to find an equally non-partisan group that comes to the opposite conclusion.

i am not going to search the web for studies to support my POV. I did not say foodstamps dont benefit some in the way the study claims. I said...foodstamps have other effects as well.

i am also pointing out... that it also turns some into a lifelong entitlement habituals expecting to be provided for.

Yep, but net gain is net gain. Always going to be a few bad apples in a bunch. Why take guns away from everyone.

 

[Ravi]

I realize the right doesn't like spending money on children, but a new study shows a net benefit for children that have access to food stamp programs. Hey, and women, too!

Our findings indicate that the food stamp program has effects decades after initial exposure. Specifically, access to food stamps in childhood leads to a significant reduction in the incidence of “metabolic syndrome” (obesity, high blood pressure, and diabetes) and, for women, an increase in economic self-sufficiency. Overall, our results suggest substantial internal and external benefits of the safety net that have not previously been quantified.

Long Run Impacts of Childhood Access to the Safety Net

That's not true. I like to spend money on zygotes. That's a children.

We had zygote pie for xmas. Yum!

 

[emptystep]

This from a link in an earlier post. This "if A, then B" logic in this is what much of the anti-safety net argument is based on.

The breakdown of the family and the diminishment of marriage as a social institution oriented toward protecting children play a large part in producing and perpetuating poverty. To the extent that social programs discourage marriage, they contribute to poverty rather than solve it.
Read more at Time to Stop Social Safety Net Child Abuse