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"Sacrifice, sacrifice, sacrifice. We hear it everywhere in the speeches of politicians and the sermons of priests. The infamous greater good is always said to be in the minds of our leaders, never in our own heads, and if we follow these figures we are told we will find salvation."
- Altruism and Terrorism, Steven Handel, 5/31/10
"Sacrifice, sacrifice, sacrifice. We hear it everywhere in the speeches of politicians and the sermons of priests. The infamous greater good is always said to be in the minds of our leaders, never in our own heads, and if we follow these figures we are told we will find salvation."
- Altruism and Terrorism, Steven Handel, 5/31/10
I'm getting a little tired of being told it is noble to sacrifice for the 'greater good'.
"Sacrifice, sacrifice, sacrifice. We hear it everywhere in the speeches of politicians and the sermons of priests. The infamous greater good is always said to be in the minds of our leaders, never in our own heads, and if we follow these figures we are told we will find salvation."
- Altruism and Terrorism, Steven Handel, 5/31/10
The most well-known opponent of altruism is philosopher and novelist Ayn Rand:
It only stands to reason that where theres sacrifice, theres someone collecting the sacrificial offerings. Where theres service, there is someone being served. The man who speaks to you of sacrifice is speaking of slaves and masters, and intends to be the master.
"Sacrifice, sacrifice, sacrifice. We hear it everywhere in the speeches of politicians and the sermons of priests. The infamous greater good is always said to be in the minds of our leaders, never in our own heads, and if we follow these figures we are told we will find salvation."
- Altruism and Terrorism, Steven Handel, 5/31/10
Followed the link and tried to make sense out of the article.
gawd, this kid Steve (the author), is a total moron.
"Altruism is the fuel that motivates young and foolish men everywhere to fight wars and commit senseless acts of violence in the blind interests of dogmatic leaders"
Like most moronic dupes, he totally glosses over what altruism has given us: Memorial Day. Today we honor those who out of altruism kept us free to post our bullshit here without fear we will be arrested or committed.
"Sacrifice, sacrifice, sacrifice. We hear it everywhere in the speeches of politicians and the sermons of priests. The infamous greater good is always said to be in the minds of our leaders, never in our own heads, and if we follow these figures we are told we will find salvation."
- Altruism and Terrorism, Steven Handel, 5/31/10
Followed the link and tried to make sense out of the article.
gawd, this kid Steve (the author), is a total moron.
"Altruism is the fuel that motivates young and foolish men everywhere to fight wars and commit senseless acts of violence in the blind interests of dogmatic leaders"
Like most moronic dupes, he totally glosses over what altruism has given us: Memorial Day. Today we honor those who out of altruism kept us free to post our bullshit here without fear we will be arrested or committed.
Alterism is a kind of charity but charity is an act of choice and not a national endeavor. Most people on the left sell their version of this as some kind of noble endeavor were individuals obtain redemption for their sins. Its one thing to die for a nations causes but its quite another to believe that serving your nation guarantees your passage into heaven.
"Sacrifice, sacrifice, sacrifice. We hear it everywhere in the speeches of politicians and the sermons of priests. The infamous greater good is always said to be in the minds of our leaders, never in our own heads, and if we follow these figures we are told we will find salvation."
- Altruism and Terrorism, Steven Handel, 5/31/10
I'm getting a little tired of being told it is noble to sacrifice for the 'greater good'.
you would
Followed the link and tried to make sense out of the article.
gawd, this kid Steve (the author), is a total moron.
"Altruism is the fuel that motivates young and foolish men everywhere to fight wars and commit senseless acts of violence in the blind interests of dogmatic leaders"
Like most moronic dupes, he totally glosses over what altruism has given us: Memorial Day. Today we honor those who out of altruism kept us free to post our bullshit here without fear we will be arrested or committed.
Alterism is a kind of charity but charity is an act of choice and not a national endeavor. Most people on the left sell their version of this as some kind of noble endeavor were individuals obtain redemption for their sins. Its one thing to die for a nations causes but its quite another to believe that serving your nation guarantees your passage into heaven.
altruism is neither liberalism or conservatism. It is it's own ism.
the author was knocking altruism and quoting Rand.
Alterism is a kind of charity but charity is an act of choice and not a national endeavor. Most people on the left sell their version of this as some kind of noble endeavor were individuals obtain redemption for their sins. Its one thing to die for a nations causes but its quite another to believe that serving your nation guarantees your passage into heaven.
altruism is neither liberalism or conservatism. It is it's own ism.
the author was knocking altruism and quoting Rand.
The author happens to be correct. In the 19th century people served their country in wars for causes they believed in and that cause's goal was the reward. The patriots of 1776 fought for a cause to liberate their country from British rule and that goal in itself was the only reward.
Unfortunately the progressive movement in this country turned serving a nations causes into a holy crusade for personal redemption and now serving our country in a time of war has became its own spiritual reward.
Its the reason why serving your country in any aspect such as serving in the peace core receives 'bonus honor' that doing the same thing in a non-government way doesn't get.
altruism is neither liberalism or conservatism. It is it's own ism.
the author was knocking altruism and quoting Rand.
The author happens to be correct. In the 19th century people served their country in wars for causes they believed in and that cause's goal was the reward. The patriots of 1776 fought for a cause to liberate their country from British rule and that goal in itself was the only reward.
Unfortunately the progressive movement in this country turned serving a nations causes into a holy crusade for personal redemption and now serving our country in a time of war has became its own spiritual reward.
Its the reason why serving your country in any aspect such as serving in the peace core receives 'bonus honor' that doing the same thing in a non-government way doesn't get.
Cherry picking facts that are correct is what you are talking about. The authors main points about the evils of altruism are totally outweighed by the facts not cherry picked.
We would not be free if it were not for altruism.
end of story
The author happens to be correct. In the 19th century people served their country in wars for causes they believed in and that cause's goal was the reward. The patriots of 1776 fought for a cause to liberate their country from British rule and that goal in itself was the only reward.
Unfortunately the progressive movement in this country turned serving a nations causes into a holy crusade for personal redemption and now serving our country in a time of war has became its own spiritual reward.
Its the reason why serving your country in any aspect such as serving in the peace core receives 'bonus honor' that doing the same thing in a non-government way doesn't get.
Cherry picking facts that are correct is what you are talking about. The authors main points about the evils of altruism are totally outweighed by the facts not cherry picked.
We would not be free if it were not for altruism.
end of story
I think telling people that the only way that they can be just and good in this world is to...
Cherry picking facts that are correct is what you are talking about. The authors main points about the evils of altruism are totally outweighed by the facts not cherry picked.
We would not be free if it were not for altruism.
end of story
I think telling people that the only way that they can be just and good in this world is to...
but no one is doing that.
thank you for arguing with yourself and losing. quite a feat.
The greatest sacrifice in mankind is that of a parent who gives up greedy personal wants for the purpose of providing a better future for their children. Paying for better schools, buying tutorial aids, educational endeavors, parenting classes, saving for their kid's college, paying higher rent in a better part of town with less bad influences. May mean no eating expensive dinners, no new car, no rims, no new clothes, no jewelry, no flat-screen TV, no lavish vacations...........may mean a really dull or modest adult life.....but to set one's child up to live better than oneself is the greatest sacrifice in mankind.
FAR FAR TOO FEW parents are willing to make that sacrifice in this age. Hence the problems we have.
I think telling people that the only way that they can be just and good in this world is to...
but no one is doing that.
thank you for arguing with yourself and losing. quite a feat.
You said that alturism is an act where one participates in the nation such as saying that without alterism no one would have sacrificed their lives in our nation's war. I hate to tell you something but that kind of charity also exist in the private acts we do for others yet, to the left, it only seems to count when we participate in the national will. Its the reason why private charity gets no 'bonus honor' with the left and only seems to count when it is done participating in the nation.
The greatest sacrifice in mankind is that of a parent who gives up greedy personal wants for the purpose of providing a better future for their children. Paying for better schools, buying tutorial aids, educational endeavors, parenting classes, saving for their kid's college, paying higher rent in a better part of town with less bad influences. May mean no eating expensive dinners, no new car, no rims, no new clothes, no jewelry, no flat-screen TV, no lavish vacations...........may mean a really dull or modest adult life.....but to set one's child up to live better than oneself is the greatest sacrifice in mankind.
FAR FAR TOO FEW parents are willing to make that sacrifice in this age. Hence the problems we have.
I actually agree that self-sacrifice is noble in itself but it is still a choice one makes over their own life. We don't have the right to make that choice for others. My complaint about sacrifice is that their seems to be a thinking that doing it for the nation brings someone into nirvana or a state of heaven. A kind of moral redemption for that person and society.
The greatest sacrifice in mankind is that of a parent who gives up greedy personal wants for the purpose of providing a better future for their children. Paying for better schools, buying tutorial aids, educational endeavors, parenting classes, saving for their kid's college, paying higher rent in a better part of town with less bad influences. May mean no eating expensive dinners, no new car, no rims, no new clothes, no jewelry, no flat-screen TV, no lavish vacations...........may mean a really dull or modest adult life.....but to set one's child up to live better than oneself is the greatest sacrifice in mankind.
FAR FAR TOO FEW parents are willing to make that sacrifice in this age. Hence the problems we have.
I actually agree that self-sacrifice is noble in itself but it is still a choice one makes over their own life. We don't have the right to make that choice for others. My complaint about sacrifice is that their seems to be a thinking that doing it for the nation brings someone into nirvana or a state of heaven. A kind of moral redemption for that person and society.
but no one is doing that.
thank you for arguing with yourself and losing. quite a feat.
You said that alturism is an act where one participates in the nation such as saying that without alterism no one would have sacrificed their lives in our nation's war. I hate to tell you something but that kind of charity also exist in the private acts we do for others yet, to the left, it only seems to count when we participate in the national will. Its the reason why private charity gets no 'bonus honor' with the left and only seems to count when it is done participating in the nation.
The thread is about altruism. The thread's OP author quoted Ayn Rand. He also made his point perfectly clear in case some bozo like you was incapable of comprehension: "I'm getting a little tired of being told it is noble to sacrifice for the 'greater good'.
now what is it about the above that has you stuck on stupid and 'leftists'?
