sacred ground?

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    Mosque gets all the press, but area near Ground Zero full of bars, porn, liquor stores, salons


    Opponents of a proposed lower Manhattan mosque and community center speak in hushed tones about the sanctity of the "shadow of Ground Zero."

    Tell that to the patrons of the Pussycat Lounge, a strip club where a photo of a nearly naked woman marks its location just two blocks from where the World Trade Center stood.

    Or the Thunder Lingerie and peep show next door, where the marquee sports an American flag above a window display of sex toys and something called a "power pump."

    Many come to the scene of the worst terrorist attack on American soil to pay tribute to pain and unspeakable tragedy. They're welcomed by solemn memorials and a visitors center amid the noise of reconstruction.

    If they're so inclined, they can also buy porn, play the ponies and take care of all manner of personal business within steps of the former World Trade Center.

    In a walk of the streets within three blocks of Ground Zero, the Daily News counted 17 pizza shops, 18 bank branches, 11 bars, 10 shoe stores and 17 separate salons where a girl can get her lady parts groomed



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    so porn shops are acceptable but a mosque is not?
     
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    I hear what you're saying... If you've ever been to Washington, D.C. it's very similar. Bars, strip clubs, and really dirty crummy streets just blocks from the Capital. Fine example for the capital city of our country.
     
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    "Yeah, but porn peddlers, hookers, strippers, drunks and gamblers don't run around beheading people all day" in 3...2...1......
     
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    Read more: Mosque gets all the press, but area near Ground Zero full of bars, porn, liquor stores, salons

    The two bolded sentences are why people don't want a mosque built there.

    Why doesn't the imam take up Gov. Paterson's offer of an alternative site? Why are they dead set on building there ?
     
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    They purchased that piece of property with the specific purpose of building a community center inlcuding a place of worship and hopefully to spark a dialog. They had to know some of that dialog would be ugly...but why go become tenants of the State when they own a perfectly good piece of (very expensive) real estate of their own?

    Nope, I can see why they turned it down.

    What I want to know is why do some people think they have less right to have a pool and Bingo night 2 blocks from Ground Zero than a strip club has operating across the street?

    If it's sacred ground to be honored, how do you really feel we should be honoring it? Honest question there, and one most people duck.
     
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    the more people complain about the mosque, the more it will seem like a victory to the idiot islamics.
     
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    Paterson says state officials are exploring selling land, transferring it, or swapping it with the mosque developers; they wouldn't be tenants of the state. In light of how sensitive this whole issue is, why are they so adamant about building there?

    Well, they could start with getting the memorial built.
     
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    Not beheading, but they werent the people who flew the planes into the buildings.

    This is a matter of perception. Let me say first that legally there is no real way of stopping them short of them doing something against the building code. (Building codes outweigh the first amendments, or churches could do whatever the hell they wanted.)

    Islam has a long history, shared by early crudader Christianity of marking scenes of victory by building a Mosque/Church on or near the site.

    The opposition would be better served by making it known that there will be a protest outside of the community center EVERY DAY the place is open. They should, in careful terms, express the reasons of thier opposition.

    The motives of the community center's founder to me are coming more and more into question. if he truly is looking for discussion and reconcillation, wouldn't he be influenced by the negative repsonse he is seeing from so many people? Doesnt he realize that continuing to press for the center at that location is not serving for healing and discourse, but for more angst and argument?

    Of course if his true motive is actually to mark this a victory for Islam, then is stubbornness makes sense.
     
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    "Exploring". There's your key word. What are the relative values? What are the actual terms of the deal? What about the site the State may or may not offer makes it more fit for the intended purpose other than its location gets fewer people's panties in a bunch? Are the property owners assured they will get the benefit of their bargain? I do real estate, a hypothetical with no guarantee of conveyance and no concrete material terms is not a bona fide offer. And Patterson cannot, legally, make that offer anyway.

    I agree 100% about building the memorial already. It's only been almost 9 years. But why isn't it built?
     
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    I was making fun of some of the loonier troll claims out there. ;)

    And you're right, people have every right to protest. They have every right to question motive. I feel for the people who can't seem to move on, I get it. 9/11 was painful. We all lost something that day, something that we haven't ever really talked about, defined or figured out how to move forward together from. It makes honest dialogue tough. And it breeds suspicion, of "them" and of each other. If protesting helps, protest away!

    What they don't have is the right to tear up the Constitution.
     

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