S&P downgrade marks extinction for 19th-20th century progressivism

[Neotrotsky]

As long as i can still bring in 50k a night hooking im all forit

Really, in such a utopia why would we even need money?
Everything we need is provided for by the state

Perhaps a debit card to just make sure one gets there
share of resources and no more

Exactly

in fact
Record Number of Americans Receiving Food Stamp Benefits

The number of Americans receiving federal aid through the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, commonly known as food stamps, soared to a record 40.8 million in May, according to government data released shortly before the Senate voted to cut billions from the food stamps budget. ​

We are getting there but
the Socialist/ Progressive way is too slow and any of remnants of the free market
still remaining are failing us.

The recent downgrade threatens our whole Progressive system. We must stop
any forces that want to bring market and rational forces to correct it back

That would be moving in the wrong direction from our Progressive utopia



Why do US progressives fear to take the great leap?
They all know capitalism is failing us
Do they really believe we are only one regulation or one new tax
from fixing it?

 

[hellofromwarsaw]

Brainwash Repitition Syndrome

 

[Ragnar]

Why do US progressives fear to take the great leap?
They all know capitalism is failing us
Do they really believe we are only one regulation or one new tax
from fixing it?

Um, they were supposed to have "gun control" by this stage?

 

[Neotrotsky]

Why do US progressives fear to take the great leap?
They all know capitalism is failing us
Do they really believe we are only one regulation or one new tax
from fixing it?

Um, they were supposed to have "gun control" by this stage?

Well
let's be honest, that would have to be one
of the first things to go

History has shown, it is the best method
to reaffirm the states relationship with the people

Besides, what would be the point
no wants or worries

Oh you could have the occasional mentally ill person
who might try to do something. But, the state is there
to protect you and eventually we could breed that kind of
thing out.

After all, reproduction does have an impact on the
factors of productions and is too important of a thing
to be left in the hands of individuals

 

[hellofromwarsaw]

Only Reaganism, Voodoo, and no Fairness Doctine are failing us, dittohead.

 

[Ragnar]

Why do US progressives fear to take the great leap?
They all know capitalism is failing us
Do they really believe we are only one regulation or one new tax
from fixing it?

Um, they were supposed to have "gun control" by this stage?

Well
let's be honest, that would have to be one
of the first things to go

History has shown, it is the best method
to reaffirm the states relationship with the people

Besides, what would be the point
no wants or worries

Oh you could have the occasional mentally ill person
who might try to do something. But, the state is there
to protect you and eventually we could breed that kind of
thing out.

After all, reproduction does have an impact on the
factors of productions and is too important of a thing
to be left in the hands of individuals

True.

I've been trying to reproduce individually since I was a young teen and all I got was hairy palms.

 

[Neotrotsky]

The state will be able to help you with that....
Even if we don't achieve the full control of all factors

PapaObama care will at least kick in to "save the day"

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[Neotrotsky]

Good article on what we are talking about

t/p HotAir


If we are to survive the looming catastrophe, we need to face the truth

​

The idea that a capitalist economy can support a socialist welfare state is collapsing before our eyes...

We have arrived at the endgame of what was an untenable doctrine: to pay for the kind of entitlements that populations have been led to expect by their politicians, the wealth-creating sector has to be taxed to a degree that makes it almost impossible for it to create the wealth that is needed to pay for the entitlements that populations have been led to expect, etc, etc.

The only way that state benefit programmes could be extended in the ways that are forecast for Europe’s ageing population would be by government seizing all the levers of the economy and producing as much (externally) worthless currency as was needed – in the manner of the old Soviet Union.

That is the problem. So profound is its challenge to the received wisdom of postwar Western democratic life that it is unutterable in the EU circles in which the crucial decisions are being made – or rather, not being made. …

We have been pretending – with ever more manic protestations – that this could go on for ever. Even when it became clear that European state pensions (and the US social security system) were gigantic Ponzi schemes in which the present beneficiaries were spending the money of the current generation of contributors, and that health provision was creating impossible demands on tax revenue, and that benefit dependency was becoming a substitute for wealth-creating employment, the lesson would not be learnt. We have been living on tick and wishful thinking.​

 

[Steelplate]

What a fucking load of shit from you Trotsky....

Like I said... you are having fun playing this Communistic game. But the end result of Capitalism is no better... in fact, even worse. When only a "select few" have access to the Capital, it's even MORE brutal than anything a Communist can dream up... Look at Nazi Germany, Look at Mussolini's Italy, For God's sake, look at the modern day Middle East.

Nope, you won't. You'll deflect and deny, like your ILK always does.

Not one of us on this board is calling for a Communist takeover of the United States, but I'd be willing to bet that a large chunk of you do not see the danger in true Capitalism unfettered.

 

[Neotrotsky]

What a fucking load of shit from you Trotsky....

Like I said... you are having fun playing this Communistic game. But the end result of Capitalism is no better... in fact, even worse. When only a "select few" have access to the Capital, it's even MORE brutal than anything a Communist can dream up... Look at Nazi Germany, Look at Mussolini's Italy, For God's sake, look at the modern day Middle East.

Nope, you won't. You'll deflect and deny, like your ILK always does.

Not one of us on this board is calling for a Communist takeover of the United States, but I'd be willing to bet that a large chunk of you do not see the danger in true Capitalism unfettered.

Socialism, communism, fascism, crony capitalism are all forms of some level of CPE's
and share little with a true free market system. You may find some type of "comfort" in thinking
fascism is a child of the right and free markets, but you would be wrong. Fascists depend on and thrive on
a large and intrusive gov't or "big gov't", not small.

Indeed
Peter Drucker

"the complete collapse of the belief in the attainability of freedom and equality through Marxism has forced Russia to travel the same road
toward a totalitarian society of un-freedom and inequality which Germany has been following. Not that communism and fascism are essentially the same.
Fascism is the stage reached after communism has proved an illusion, and it has proved as much an illusion in Russia as in pre-Hitler Germany."​

Hayek
Fascism defined:

"It is simply collectivism freed from all traces of an individualist tradition which might hamper its realization"
​

Of course you know who said:

"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak,
with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility
and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions."​

As a side note:
Stalin killed more people than Hitler
In fact, communism or some socialist variant of it have murdered more
people than any other political system.
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Again what is wrong then for
Progressives to go the full step?
As the article in the previous post
concluded that both Europe and the US are currently showing
that nanny-state cannot coexist with free market economies in the long run

People are going to have to choose between the CPEs
required by burdensome entitlement programs
or free market economies and personal responsibility



Why do US progressives fear to take the great leap?
They all know capitalism is failing us
Do they really believe we are only one regulation or one new tax
from fixing it?

 

[Full-Auto]

Man neo you have been spamming the boards pushing this Obama/dems/progressives fault quite hard as of late.

We could take your last what 5 threads and merge them and nobody would be able to tell the difference.

We got it, you think the downgrade is the fault of Obama and democrats, and no matter what actually evidence is presented you wont be swayed.


You have become my second favorite partisan hack on this site. The Rabbi takes that 1st place medal. Ive never seen people so more wrong on issues than you two.

You just fear the truth of what the Progressive future holds for us
S&P downgrade marks extinction for 19th-20th century progressivism
what choice do we have to keep our Progressive dreams alive

Don't fear it embrace it
Love it

What more could any Progressive want
total equality through the state

why would i ever fear this? Thats just stupid. Stop spreading your stupid thoughts around.

Total Equality is not the same as balancing a Budget. I know what you are hinting at but its just stupid. The evidence is just not in your favor for such a moronic thought. Naturally you would use such a thought anyways.

I mean i know you want to avoid the fact that S &P stated that raising revenue is needed. That the downgrade wasn't because of current spending. It is about the attitude of dealing with the issue, and had we actually not passed a Bill. We would be looking at a D rating right now.

which some in the teatards where willing to play with in order to get what they wanted.

But i understand you wont understand these facts. They go against your meme you have been using for the past few days.

Hes just shaking the tree to see what falls out.

Comical on so many levels.

 

[Neotrotsky]

Yes
it seems to be more leftist nuts than fruits

 

[Neotrotsky]

Man neo you have been spamming the boards pushing this Obama/dems/progressives fault quite hard as of late.

We could take your last what 5 threads and merge them and nobody would be able to tell the difference.

We got it, you think the downgrade is the fault of Obama and democrats, and no matter what actually evidence is presented you wont be swayed.


You have become my second favorite partisan hack on this site. The Rabbi takes that 1st place medal. Ive never seen people so more wrong on issues than you two.

You just fear the truth of what the Progressive future holds for us
S&P downgrade marks extinction for 19th-20th century progressivism
what choice do we have to keep our Progressive dreams alive

Don't fear it embrace it
Love it

What more could any Progressive want
total equality through the state

why would i ever fear this? Thats just stupid. Stop spreading your stupid thoughts around.

Total Equality is not the same as balancing a Budget. I know what you are hinting at but its just stupid. The evidence is just not in your favor for such a moronic thought. Naturally you would use such a thought anyways.

I mean i know you want to avoid the fact that S &P stated that raising revenue is needed. That the downgrade wasn't because of current spending. It is about the attitude of dealing with the issue, and had we actually not passed a Bill. We would be looking at a D rating right now.

which some in the teatards where willing to play with in order to get what they wanted.

But i understand you wont understand these facts. They go against your meme you have been using for the past few days.

Yes
facts never seem to stop you

 

[Full-Auto]

Yes
it seems to more leftist nuts than fruits

I have enjoyed the thread. HAT TIP!

 

[NYcarbineer]

Exactly

but again

We have reached that place that Margaret Thatcher spoke of :

"The trouble with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money."



What tools do we have left?
- interest are low as they can go to go any good
- we can't tax anyone enough without crashing the economy
- how much can we debt spend since we are broke
- we can't not allow true reforms to entitlements which limit the state's role





What are we to do?


I for one comrade am ready to take the next step
Total capitulation of all the factors of production over to the gov't

It is the only answer and it is what we really want in the long run
anyway, as Progressives

Capitalism is highly over rated
would you not agree

It is only from being raised in this system of crony capitalism
that you hold on to it like some hopeful charm.
You are just use to it

Dream big

FRANCE now has a better credit rating than we do. Sweden is prospering.

Socialism is winning.

Sorry comrade

AAA Rated France May Be Vulnerable to Downgrade Following Cut to the U.S. AUg 7. 2011

They too could be facing the same problem as us

See the limitations put on our Progressive dreams by
what little free market is left is stopping us and others from achieving our Utopia


Then even more so
We should take the next step- beat France to it!

What is to fear?

You are only blocked by some type of traditionalism
to the system of crony capitalism. It is almost like an old
chair from your grandfather that you just don't have
the heart to throw out.

Sadly, it is time to let it go.

Just imagine, gov't allocation of all resources
nothing could be more fair and equitable

I say again, France now has a higher credit rating than we do. Deal with it.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Help me out here.

People can only be equal if equality means the lowest common denominator is the standard measurement of equality.

I guess that means we all have to be unionized...right?

I guess you wingnuts will stop quoting the Declaration of Independence now. With all that equality nonsense in it.

 

[Full-Auto]

FRANCE now has a better credit rating than we do. Sweden is prospering.

Socialism is winning.

Sorry comrade

AAA Rated France May Be Vulnerable to Downgrade Following Cut to the U.S. AUg 7. 2011

They too could be facing the same problem as us

See the limitations put on our Progressive dreams by
what little free market is left is stopping us and others from achieving our Utopia


Then even more so
We should take the next step- beat France to it!

What is to fear?

You are only blocked by some type of traditionalism
to the system of crony capitalism. It is almost like an old
chair from your grandfather that you just don't have
the heart to throw out.

Sadly, it is time to let it go.

Just imagine, gov't allocation of all resources
nothing could be more fair and equitable

I say again, France now has a higher credit rating than we do. Deal with it.

They also send along their thanks, Taking care of Libya for them. Relax the oil is safe.

 

[Neotrotsky]

But for how long

AAA Rated France May Be Vulnerable to Downgrade Following Cut to the U.S. AUg 7. 2011

It does call into question your point that "socialism is working"

 

[Neotrotsky]

Help me out here.

People can only be equal if equality means the lowest common denominator is the standard measurement of equality.

I guess that means we all have to be unionized...right?

I guess you wingnuts will stop quoting the Declaration of Independence now. With all that equality nonsense in it.

The Declaration of Independence has no real legal value to it.
It is more of a historical value

Perhaps you mean the Constitution of the US that the Left often
finds troublesome and cumbersome to instituting great social programs.

 

[Ragnar]

But for how long

AAA Rated France May Be Vulnerable to Downgrade Following Cut to the U.S. AUg 7. 2011

It does call into question your point that "socialism is working"

Bad days ahead for the euro as Greece, Italy and Spain (and Ireland?) falter. Will Germany and France bail them out? Can they? I don't know but it hasn't hurt European socialism that Uncle Sam has provided their defense spending for the last half century plus. France (and the rest) have serious underpopulation problems as well. (decades long baby bust thanks to socialism’s prolonged adolescence and early retirement)

Western Europe, France included is in worse shape than we are. Guess they could use some Tea Parties over there. (to put some nonviolence into the protesting if nothing else)