'S.C. Republican: Aid like feeding strays'

[NYcarbineer]

[What conclusion? That Bauer has a tin ear for politics but a good mindset for governing. He is right: when you reward certain kinds of behavior you get more of them. When you punish some kinds of behavior, you get less of them.

Then it's wrong for churches to help the needy? Then Christian charity causes more harm than good?

It is never wrong for churches to help the needy. It is wrong for the Federal Government to help the needy.

I'll bet you don't know why.

I know why you are wrong.

Bauer is saying charity is wrong. He's not saying only government charity is wrong. He might have thought he was saying that, but he wasn't.

 

[☭proletarian☭]

I quoted Goebbels yesterday, where he said that National Socialism opposes Liberalism both in theory and practice, and the wingnut response I got?

...that Goebbels just made that up to fool people.

I swear.

where was this?

I don't cite other forums on forums, that is rude. But that aside, the 'Nazis were liberals' line from the right has been around forever.

just cite goebbels

 

[Darkwind]

Then it's wrong for churches to help the needy? Then Christian charity causes more harm than good?

It is never wrong for churches to help the needy. It is wrong for the Federal Government to help the needy.

I'll bet you don't know why.

I know why you are wrong.

Bauer is saying charity is wrong. He's not saying only government charity is wrong. He might have thought he was saying that, but he wasn't.

No, that is what you want us to believe he is saying. I've found that your deductive reasoning powers are somewhere south of nil.

Do you know why it is wrong for the Federal Government to feed strays?

I'll bet you don't.

 

[☭proletarian☭]

When was the last...no, the FIRST time a church sacked its neighborhood to help the poor?

I doubt that the drooling libs will grasp the point of your post but I agree with you.

the point being that when the church sacks a neighborhood they say 'fuck the poor' and build more golden idols in their churches back home?

 

[NYcarbineer]

It is never wrong for churches to help the needy. It is wrong for the Federal Government to help the needy.

I'll bet you don't know why.

I know why you are wrong.

Bauer is saying charity is wrong. He's not saying only government charity is wrong. He might have thought he was saying that, but he wasn't.

No, that is what you want us to believe he is saying. I've found that your deductive reasoning powers are somewhere south of nil.

Do you know why it is wrong for the Federal Government to feed strays?

I'll bet you don't.

What was the example he gave, the lesson he learned as child?

 

[Darkwind]

I know why you are wrong.

Bauer is saying charity is wrong. He's not saying only government charity is wrong. He might have thought he was saying that, but he wasn't.

No, that is what you want us to believe he is saying. I've found that your deductive reasoning powers are somewhere south of nil.

Do you know why it is wrong for the Federal Government to feed strays?

I'll bet you don't.

What was the example he gave, the lesson he learned as child?

Do you know why it is wrong for the Federal government to feed strays?

Oh, here is a word for you to look up......Parable.

 

[NYcarbineer]

where was this?

I don't cite other forums on forums, that is rude. But that aside, the 'Nazis were liberals' line from the right has been around forever.

just cite goebbels

"Both in theory and practice, National Socialism opposes liberalism."

Goebbels' Speech at the 1933 Nuremberg Rally

 

[asaratis]

I'm not sure that his bar chart correlating food aid with low test scores is valid. The food aid may have been set up in areas where test scores would have been low even without the handouts.

I do agree in principle that giving people sustenance discourages their ever working for it.

 

[NYcarbineer]

No, that is what you want us to believe he is saying. I've found that your deductive reasoning powers are somewhere south of nil.

Do you know why it is wrong for the Federal Government to feed strays?

I'll bet you don't.

What was the example he gave, the lesson he learned as child?

Do you know why it is wrong for the Federal government to feed strays?

Oh, here is a word for you to look up......Parable.

Again what was the example he gave? Where is there anything about the government in his example?

 

[Darkwind]

I'm not sure that his bar chart correlating food aid with low test scores is valid. The food aid may have been set up in areas where test scores would have been low even without the handouts.

I do agree in principle that giving people sustenance discourages their ever working for it.

Maybe, but it is basic biology. The brain and body has nutritional needs to work at peek efficiency. A brain starved of its need for essential nutrients will not work properly.

 

[Darkwind]

What was the example he gave, the lesson he learned as child?

Do you know why it is wrong for the Federal government to feed strays?

Oh, here is a word for you to look up......Parable.

Again what was the example he gave? Where is there anything about the government in his example?

find the definition of parable yet?

 

[NYcarbineer]

What about when the government gives a tax deduction or a tax credit to people just because they have children? Most of you probably get it or have gotten it.

Is that an incentive to breed?

 

[Contessa_Sharra]

When was the last...no, the FIRST time a church sacked its neighborhood to help the poor?

The Church sacked the poor to feed itself!


Jan 24, 2010
Genocide and Crimes Against Humanity | Catholic Church

Extreme controversy surrounds any discussion of the Catholic Church's role in genocide and crimes against humanity. Several issues need to be highlighted in seeking to unravel this controversy. First is the allegation that the Church was directly responsible for the drive toward colonialism in issuing papal bulls that commanded states such as Portugal to spread Catholicism. One might argue that these declarations led European nation-states to believe that it was their right to acquire territories abroad. The fact that crimes against humanity were committed during colonial conquest is uncontested. A second criticism often leveled against the Church is that it has failed in its moral duty to condemn or guide leaders and populations in curbing genocidal tendencies. Such an argument claims that the Church, by virtue of its proclaimed aim of spiritual guidance, ought to have played a more significant role in the prevention of crimes against humanity and genocide. The third and fiercest criticism of the Church, however, is that it has furthered genocidal tendencies. This remains the harshest criticism and goes beyond moral arguments to an examination of evidence suggesting that elements of the Church have colluded with forces perpetrating crimes against humanity and genocide.

The Papal Bulls

Many processes concurrent with colonization can be attributed to the Church and traced to a series of edicts issued by the Pope. These edicts, referred to as "bulls," were commands or grants the Church gave to its followers. One of the more well-known bulls was delivered by Pope Alexander III to the King of Portugal on May 21, 1179. In this edict the Pope declared:

All the regions which you will have rescued from the hands of the Saracens, and where other neighboring Christian princes could not acquire any legal rights, are conceded by us to your Excellency (Consilia, 1547, p. 137).
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As Bartolus points out in his treatise, although the papal bulls did not directly bestow territories on princes, they "legalized, recognized [and] sanctioned ex post facto territorial integrity which already existed in fact, or they gave assent, and thereby legal sanction ex ante to an intended occupancy, to a condition anticipated in the future" (p. 137).

Thus, it might be argued with some force of authority that an examination of the role of the Catholic Church within the context of genocide and crimes against humanity ought to take into account the Church's impact during the period of colonization, when European powers competed against each other for the pursuit of Christianity, civilization, and commerce. Again, the responsibility attributed to the Church may be characterized as direct and indirect: direct responsibility for the actions of people it directly commanded to pursue such ends, as in the case of the papal bulls, and indirect responsibility for its failure to condemn the immoral actions of others, including Church members, and its attempts to justify its own doctrine. Within this rubric the missionary work legitimized by the Catholic Church also needs to be assessed.

The Church and the Jews

The most significant issue in discussing the Church within the context of genocide concerns its role prior to and during the Holocaust. Once again, an analysis of the Church's role differentiates between acts of commission and acts of omission in the condemnation of activities directed toward the minority Jewish population. In many respects the tenuous relationship that existed between the Catholic Church and Jewish minorities who lived in various parts of Europe in the 1930s dated back to much earlier times. Many suggest it was the Church that in previous centuries had instigated, or at any rate fanned the flames of, the anti-Semitism which was to take such a high toll on the Jewish population in later years.

In terms of acts of commission, an argument may be made that anti-Semitism, to an extent, is linked to the teachings of the Catholic Church, one being the assignment of blame for the death of Jesus to the Jews. The ghettoization of the Jewish community all across Europe in the 1930s and 1940s can in some part be ascribed to the fervor with which Jewish lifestyles and beliefs were condemned by the Church. This is captured in the sentiments expressed by the Third Lateran Council (a gathering of 302 bishops under the aegis of the Pope to restore ecclesiastical discipline) in 1179—the same year that Pope Alexander III delivered his famous edict to the King of Portugal. The Fourth Lateran Council in 1215 went a step further in passing anti-Jewish decrees that included, among a host of other measures, the requirement for Jews to wear special badges clearly identifying them in the general population. The Church also encouraged monarchs to expel Jews from their states—a notable example being King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella's decision to expel Jews from Spain in 1492.

In places such as Venice, the Church prevailed on city authorities to segregate Jews and prevent them from living among Christians. Although Venice did not undertake such measures to segregate its Jewish population until 1516, Jews at a much earlier period in the city's history regularly faced the wrath of Catholic clergy who actively advocated their removal and exclusion, especially during the Easter season.

Thus in terms of the Holocaust, the Church among other parties bears some moral responsibility for stoking anti-Semitism throughout European history, or at the very least, for failing to condemn such dangerous levels of antagonism on moral and spiritual grounds.

Much has been written about the Church and its role during the Holocaust. Great emphasis has been placed on the work of Pope Pius XII: described by many as a leading advocate of Jewish rights, and by others as having done too little during the Holocaust. A brief examination of this pontiff's views and actions casts significant light on the role of the Church during World War II.



http://www.enotes.com/genocide-encyclopedia/catholic-church/print

http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_cru1.htm

 

[Darkwind]

A few years ago I was driving home on Rte. 17c with the family and we were going through White Lake, NY. For those that don't know, that is the little town just outside where Woodstock happened. Just to the west of Bethel is a little farm just north of the highway. As we were driving by this farm, My wife notices a strange sight.

The farmer was headed to his barn and behind him was what had to have been 100 cats. All of them with their tails high. It was obvious that the cats were expecting to be feed. It struck Me as a daily ritual. We both had a laugh at the sight. But this memory is what came to mind when I read the OP.

When you feed strays, the problems you create are often more then you can ever hope to solve. It drives home the lesson that once you create a dependence, that dependence will likely remain for the life of the animal that requires your help for sustenance.

The Church is designed to help in this kind of need.

The Federal Government is not.

Can anyone tell Me why?

 

[Ame®icano]

"The best way to help the poor is to make them uncomfortable in their poverty" - Thomas Jefferson

 

[slackjawed]

A few years ago I was driving home on Rte. 17c with the family and we were going through White Lake, NY. For those that don't know, that is the little town just outside where Woodstock happened. Just to the west of Bethel is a little farm just north of the highway. As we were driving by this farm, My wife notices a strange sight.

The farmer was headed to his barn and behind him was what had to have been 100 cats. All of them with their tails high. It was obvious that the cats were expecting to be feed. It struck Me as a daily ritual. We both had a laugh at the sight. But this memory is what came to mind when I read the OP.

When you feed strays, the problems you create are often more then you can ever hope to solve. It drives home the lesson that once you create a dependence, that dependence will likely remain for the life of the animal that requires your help for sustenance.

The Church is designed to help in this kind of need.

The Federal Government is not.

Can anyone tell Me why?

My guess is that churches and other such charities serve the poor as thier stated mission. They do so with donations made by people who make those donations expecting some attempt at fulfillment.
The government on the other hand, must use collected taxes to perform the mission of helping the poor. The taxpayers are forced to pay their taxes and have no choice in how their money is spent, but most taxpayers expect their taxes to support the workings of the government.

 

[Ravi]

He also said this, also from the article the op posted a link to.

"You see, for the first time in the history of this country, we've got more people voting for a living than we do working for a living,”

Where is his evidence?

If he's talking about the elderly population we have there may be a point...but those people worked for a living for years and years and years.

 

[NYcarbineer]

A few years ago I was driving home on Rte. 17c with the family and we were going through White Lake, NY. For those that don't know, that is the little town just outside where Woodstock happened. Just to the west of Bethel is a little farm just north of the highway. As we were driving by this farm, My wife notices a strange sight.

The farmer was headed to his barn and behind him was what had to have been 100 cats. All of them with their tails high. It was obvious that the cats were expecting to be feed. It struck Me as a daily ritual. We both had a laugh at the sight. But this memory is what came to mind when I read the OP.

When you feed strays, the problems you create are often more then you can ever hope to solve. It drives home the lesson that once you create a dependence, that dependence will likely remain for the life of the animal that requires your help for sustenance.

The Church is designed to help in this kind of need.

The Federal Government is not.

Can anyone tell Me why?

My guess is that churches and other such charities serve the poor as thier stated mission. They do so with donations made by people who make those donations expecting some attempt at fulfillment.
The government on the other hand, must use collected taxes to perform the mission of helping the poor. The taxpayers are forced to pay their taxes and have no choice in how their money is spent, but most taxpayers expect their taxes to support the workings of the government.

It's a government of the People. The People can elect representatives who will do absolutely nothing for the poor, if enough of the People vote that way.

 

[Darkwind]

A few years ago I was driving home on Rte. 17c with the family and we were going through White Lake, NY. For those that don't know, that is the little town just outside where Woodstock happened. Just to the west of Bethel is a little farm just north of the highway. As we were driving by this farm, My wife notices a strange sight.

The farmer was headed to his barn and behind him was what had to have been 100 cats. All of them with their tails high. It was obvious that the cats were expecting to be feed. It struck Me as a daily ritual. We both had a laugh at the sight. But this memory is what came to mind when I read the OP.

When you feed strays, the problems you create are often more then you can ever hope to solve. It drives home the lesson that once you create a dependence, that dependence will likely remain for the life of the animal that requires your help for sustenance.

The Church is designed to help in this kind of need.

The Federal Government is not.

Can anyone tell Me why?

My guess is that churches and other such charities serve the poor as thier stated mission. They do so with donations made by people who make those donations expecting some attempt at fulfillment.
The government on the other hand, must use collected taxes to perform the mission of helping the poor. The taxpayers are forced to pay their taxes and have no choice in how their money is spent, but most taxpayers expect their taxes to support the workings of the government.

Not what I was looking for as an answer. You are right in your assessment and mechanics.

Let Me put it this way.

What possible reason can any State have in telling people that feeding bears and deer in the heart of winter is doing more harm to them the good? Even though you can see that they are suffering?

Well, bear is a bad example. Bears sleep during the winter....But you get the idea.

 

[Ravi]

When was the last...no, the FIRST time a church sacked its neighborhood to help the poor?

I doubt that the drooling libs will grasp the point of your post but I agree with you.

the point being that when the church sacks a neighborhood they say 'fuck the poor' and build more golden idols in their churches back home?

Some times they actually do fuck the poor...the poor children.