Ryan Says

[rightwinger]

Do they? As a business owner, I set up a business and take all the risk. I pay them, set up their benefits, define their job, figure out to make a profit so we're sustainable. Without my business there is no money for any socialistic aspect of our society. They seem to be a whole heck of a lot more dependent on me then I am on them. And the government even moreso.

Who educated your employee's? Who provided the ports,rail,roads so your product can get in and out? Who provides security and fire protection? Who provides a stable global environment for corporations?

Government that was funded by my business. Without my business, there would have been no economic activity with which to fund those government "services" and they do a cruddy job. Without my business, employees wouldn't have had jobs to pay taxes.

It costs over $100000 to educate someone through High School, more to educate through college. Did you pay that?

And you make a profit off of every one of those employees

 

[Immanuel]

How about the fair tax? The five most compelling arguments for the fair tax are:
1-Eliminates the IRS and 1040 filings.
2-Allows workers to keep all their income.
3-forces illegal aliens and foreign tourists to help support this great country.
4-Makes the USA the largest tax haven in the world.
5-Stops congress from manipulating the tax code for reelection or social engineering.
Americans For Fair Taxation: Americans For Fair Taxation

Yes, and the one deterrent as far as Congress is concerned is that they would lose much of the power they have in this country through lobbyists. Thus, it will go no where until Americans put Congress in its place.

Immie

 

[WillowTree]

"Lower the tax rate, and broaden the tax base." I'll vote for that. How about you?

Been there, done that. It's called Trickle Down Economics and it didn't work then and it won't work now. Besides, the wealthy already pay a much lower tax rate than most of us.

Mr Buffett said that he was taxed at 17.7 per cent on the $46 million he made last year, without trying to avoid paying higher taxes, while his secretary, who earned $60,000, was taxed at 30 per cent.

Buffett blasts system that lets him pay less tax than secretary - Times Online

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Lower rates than the 50% who pay zero? and get rebates on the Zero they didn't pay?? yeah right.

 

[Foxfyre]

"Lower the tax rate, and broaden the tax base." I'll vote for that. How about you?

Been there, done that. It's called Trickle Down Economics and it didn't work then and it won't work now. Besides, the wealthy already pay a much lower tax rate than most of us.

Mr Buffett said that he was taxed at 17.7 per cent on the $46 million he made last year, without trying to avoid paying higher taxes, while his secretary, who earned $60,000, was taxed at 30 per cent.

Buffett blasts system that lets him pay less tax than secretary - Times Online

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Lower rates than the 50% who pay zero? and get rebates on the Zero they didn't pay?? yeah right.

If everybody would just sign on to my solution, Buffett would be happy because he and his secretary would be paying exactly the same percentage and which means he would be paying a whole lot more than she would.

 

[kaz]

Who educated your employee's? Who provided the ports,rail,roads so your product can get in and out? Who provides security and fire protection? Who provides a stable global environment for corporations?

Government that was funded by my business. Without my business, there would have been no economic activity with which to fund those government "services" and they do a cruddy job. Without my business, employees wouldn't have had jobs to pay taxes.

It costs over $100000 to educate someone through High School, more to educate through college. Did you pay that?

And you make a profit off of every one of those employees

Their salaries are profit they make off me

 

[Foxfyre]

Government that was funded by my business. Without my business, there would have been no economic activity with which to fund those government "services" and they do a cruddy job. Without my business, employees wouldn't have had jobs to pay taxes.

It costs over $100000 to educate someone through High School, more to educate through college. Did you pay that?

And you make a profit off of every one of those employees

Their salaries are profit they make off me

No, it does NOT cost $100,000 to educate someone through High School or even necessarily college. It costs a tiny fraction of that to educate home schooled kids who all across the land are getting a far superior education compared to those having lots of money thrown at their education with no requirements for good results built in.

And we ALL are paying in many different ways for the poor education being accomplished in the public school system. Some kids do get a decent education in the public schools, but a frighteningly large number don't. But despite poor results, every year we all pay more and more in taxes to support a mostly inferior education system that in turn requires more taxes for unemployment and for crime and for healthcare concerns due to substance abuse etc. and the productive are required to pay for all other government expense when those capable of earning only marginal incomes are paying little or nothing to do that.

I don't mind to pay to educate kids. But I sure as hell expect more for my money than what we are getting. And the fact that $100,000 is thrown at it is not the same thing as something costing $100,000.

 

[kaz]

It costs over $100000 to educate someone through High School, more to educate through college. Did you pay that?

And you make a profit off of every one of those employees

Their salaries are profit they make off me

No, it does NOT cost $100,000 to educate someone through High School or even necessarily college. It costs a tiny fraction of that to educate home schooled kids who all across the land are getting a far superior education compared to those having lots of money thrown at their education with no requirements for good results built in.

And we ALL are paying in many different ways for the poor education being accomplished in the public school system. Some kids do get a decent education in the public schools, but a frighteningly large number don't. But despite poor results, every year we all pay more and more in taxes to support a mostly inferior education system that in turn requires more taxes for unemployment and for crime and for healthcare concerns due to substance abuse etc. and the productive are required to pay for all other government expense when those capable of earning only marginal incomes are paying little or nothing to do that.

I don't mind to pay to educate kids. But I sure as hell expect more for my money than what we are getting. And the fact that $100,000 is thrown at it is not the same thing as something costing $100,000.

Don't you love how all the Left can think of to improve all the money we waste on a system that is expensive and yet performs poorly is to throw more money at it?

 

[Bern80]

Makes no sense

You have to go where the money is

Lower the tax rate= multimillionaires pay less
broaden the base= poor people pay more

Much less money coming in and an insignificant amount of extra money coming in to make up for it

If we're all theoretically supossed to share in the tax burden, why should a group of people that isn't paying any income tax right now, not have to pay more? Explain to me how that would be unfair.

 

[kaz]

Makes no sense

You have to go where the money is

Lower the tax rate= multimillionaires pay less
broaden the base= poor people pay more

Much less money coming in and an insignificant amount of extra money coming in to make up for it

If we're all theoretically supossed to share in the tax burden, why should a group of people that isn't paying any income tax right now, not have to pay more? Explain to me how that would be unfair.

We need to force the rich to pay more since they can afford it and we're going to have to throw a whole lot of money at it and hope it works. The poor can't afford to pay for things that are broken and we're not going to fix it because unions would object and it would give consumers choice, the thought just makes you shudder. You really think the poor can afford to pay for things that don't work? You're just an evil capitalist, aren't you?

 

[rightwinger]

It costs over $100000 to educate someone through High School, more to educate through college. Did you pay that?

And you make a profit off of every one of those employees

Their salaries are profit they make off me

No, it does NOT cost $100,000 to educate someone through High School or even necessarily college. It costs a tiny fraction of that to educate home schooled kids who all across the land are getting a far superior education compared to those having lots of money thrown at their education with no requirements for good results built in.

And we ALL are paying in many different ways for the poor education being accomplished in the public school system. Some kids do get a decent education in the public schools, but a frighteningly large number don't. But despite poor results, every year we all pay more and more in taxes to support a mostly inferior education system that in turn requires more taxes for unemployment and for crime and for healthcare concerns due to substance abuse etc. and the productive are required to pay for all other government expense when those capable of earning only marginal incomes are paying little or nothing to do that.

I don't mind to pay to educate kids. But I sure as hell expect more for my money than what we are getting. And the fact that $100,000 is thrown at it is not the same thing as something costing $100,000.

$8000 a year for 13 years is over $100,000

If businesses don't like the quality of our High School graduates, let them educate their own employees

Homeschol sucks, but do you think the time for a parent to homeschool their kid is worth less than $8000 a year?

 

[Bern80]

Well, I guess you could just call them the "Freedom" tax breaks, tell everyone that they'll "help fight terrorism" and then get some corporate backing for an advertising campaign from the Koch brothers.

Of course, it won't actually accomplish anything, except to make you all feel better about your class warfare...

Right, to NOT take money from the rich is "class warfare." Liberal word games, I do so enjoy those...

Since the rich get a much larger benefit from the existing infrastructure in the form of transportation of goods, protection of corporate interests, etc, etc, then not taking more money from the rich IS class warfare, yes.

Conservative word games are also enjoyable.

I hear this one a lot and really is such a load of crap it's amazing peopel like you have the balls to type it. Did you just forget about all of the tax only the poor take advantage of. Like the fact that they don't actually have to pay taxes in the first place. Welfare, foodstamps, etc. The rich are supposed to pay extra for the things you precieve the derive great benefit from, but the poor shouldn't have to pay a dime for the things they benefit from? The rich are supposed to be punished financially for taking advantage of opportunities available for everyone?

 

[kaz]

Their salaries are profit they make off me

No, it does NOT cost $100,000 to educate someone through High School or even necessarily college. It costs a tiny fraction of that to educate home schooled kids who all across the land are getting a far superior education compared to those having lots of money thrown at their education with no requirements for good results built in.

And we ALL are paying in many different ways for the poor education being accomplished in the public school system. Some kids do get a decent education in the public schools, but a frighteningly large number don't. But despite poor results, every year we all pay more and more in taxes to support a mostly inferior education system that in turn requires more taxes for unemployment and for crime and for healthcare concerns due to substance abuse etc. and the productive are required to pay for all other government expense when those capable of earning only marginal incomes are paying little or nothing to do that.

I don't mind to pay to educate kids. But I sure as hell expect more for my money than what we are getting. And the fact that $100,000 is thrown at it is not the same thing as something costing $100,000.

$8000 a year for 13 years is over $100,000

If businesses don't like the quality of our High School graduates, let them educate their own employees

Ignoring that we do, deal. We don't pay $8,000 in wasted dollars per yer per kid and we educate them ourselves. That way they don't get your anti-capitalist indoctrination as part of the deal as well. Bonus....

 

[rightwinger]

Makes no sense

You have to go where the money is

Lower the tax rate= multimillionaires pay less
broaden the base= poor people pay more

Much less money coming in and an insignificant amount of extra money coming in to make up for it

If we're all theoretically supossed to share in the tax burden, why should a group of people that isn't paying any income tax right now, not have to pay more? Explain to me how that would be unfair.

Who said anything about a theoretical equal share of the tax burden. No country does that because it is stupid

 

[rightwinger]

No, it does NOT cost $100,000 to educate someone through High School or even necessarily college. It costs a tiny fraction of that to educate home schooled kids who all across the land are getting a far superior education compared to those having lots of money thrown at their education with no requirements for good results built in.

And we ALL are paying in many different ways for the poor education being accomplished in the public school system. Some kids do get a decent education in the public schools, but a frighteningly large number don't. But despite poor results, every year we all pay more and more in taxes to support a mostly inferior education system that in turn requires more taxes for unemployment and for crime and for healthcare concerns due to substance abuse etc. and the productive are required to pay for all other government expense when those capable of earning only marginal incomes are paying little or nothing to do that.

I don't mind to pay to educate kids. But I sure as hell expect more for my money than what we are getting. And the fact that $100,000 is thrown at it is not the same thing as something costing $100,000.

$8000 a year for 13 years is over $100,000

If businesses don't like the quality of our High School graduates, let them educate their own employees

Ignoring that we do, deal. We don't pay $8,000 in wasted dollars per yer per kid and we educate them ourselves. That way they don't get your anti-capitalist indoctrination as part of the deal as well. Bonus....

What does it cost you to indoctrinate your kid at home?

 

[kaz]

$8000 a year for 13 years is over $100,000

If businesses don't like the quality of our High School graduates, let them educate their own employees

Ignoring that we do, deal. We don't pay $8,000 in wasted dollars per yer per kid and we educate them ourselves. That way they don't get your anti-capitalist indoctrination as part of the deal as well. Bonus....

What does it cost you to indoctrinate your kid at home?

Trying to do what I do to you, but couldn't make the wording work, huh. Well, give it another shot, maybe the next one will work out better

 

[Bern80]

Makes no sense

You have to go where the money is

Lower the tax rate= multimillionaires pay less
broaden the base= poor people pay more

Much less money coming in and an insignificant amount of extra money coming in to make up for it

If we're all theoretically supossed to share in the tax burden, why should a group of people that isn't paying any income tax right now, not have to pay more? Explain to me how that would be unfair.

Who said anything about a theoretical equal share of the tax burden. No country does that because it is stupid

Then what is fair in your opinion?

 

[rightwinger]

Government that was funded by my business. Without my business, there would have been no economic activity with which to fund those government "services" and they do a cruddy job. Without my business, employees wouldn't have had jobs to pay taxes.

It costs over $100000 to educate someone through High School, more to educate through college. Did you pay that?

And you make a profit off of every one of those employees

Their salaries are profit they make off me

Are you claiming you do not make a profit over and above what you pay your employees?

 

[kaz]

If we're all theoretically supossed to share in the tax burden, why should a group of people that isn't paying any income tax right now, not have to pay more? Explain to me how that would be unfair.

Who said anything about a theoretical equal share of the tax burden. No country does that because it is stupid

Then what is fair in your opinion?

A better question would be when they would stop making it "fair" because no matter how much the evil rich pay...it isn't enough...

 

[rightwinger]

If we're all theoretically supossed to share in the tax burden, why should a group of people that isn't paying any income tax right now, not have to pay more? Explain to me how that would be unfair.

Who said anything about a theoretical equal share of the tax burden. No country does that because it is stupid

Then what is fair in your opinion?

Let's start with the Bush/Obama tax cuts. Tax breaks we dont have to go into debt to provide

 

[kaz]

It costs over $100000 to educate someone through High School, more to educate through college. Did you pay that?

And you make a profit off of every one of those employees

Their salaries are profit they make off me

Are you claiming you do not make a profit over and above what you pay your employees?

No I'm not saying that, but you said I make a profit, but I'm pointing out so do they, so I could just as easily by your logic reverse the question to are you saying they don't get paid? Where does that lead us exactly? I make a profit, they get paid. You are the one making the point of that I make a profit, so why do you get to ignore they do too?