Ryan onFox we need to cut healthcare subsidies and social entitlements

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    As an aside..here is why we never realized any savings from the jihad against smoking

    The idea that spending more on preventive care will reduce overall health care spending is widely believed and often promoted as a reason to support reform. It’s thought that too many people with chronic illnesses wait until they are truly ill before seeking care, often in emergency rooms, where it costs more. It should follow then that treating diseases earlier, or screening for them before they become more serious, would wind up saving money in the long run.

    Unfortunately, almost none of this is true. Preventive Care Saves Money? Sorry, It’s Too Good to Be True
     
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    Of course its true.
     
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    Now go read
     
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    They weren't exempt then when it was passed and they are not exempt now.

    Is Congress Exempt from GOP Health Bill? - FactCheck.org
     
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    Like I said they are not exempt.
     
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    It's Ayn Rand....just so you know.

    And what has that got to do with anything ?
     
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    So get to it.

    But facts do a great deal more than commentary.
     
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    Well, no it isn't.

    At least not according to the studies cited.

    The entire premise of Obamacare was built on a pack of false assumptions.

    Since it appears you can't click the link....

    The idea that spending more on preventive care will reduce overall health care spending is widely believed and often promoted as a reason to support reform. It’s thought that too many people with chronic illnesses wait until they are truly ill before seeking care, often in emergency rooms, where it costs more. It should follow then that treating diseases earlier, or screening for them before they become more serious, would wind up saving money in the long run.

    Unfortunately, almost none of this is true.

    Let’s begin with emergency rooms, which many people believed would get less use after passage of the Affordable Care Act. The opposite occurred. It’s not just the A.C.A. The Oregon Medicaid Health Insurance experiment, which randomly chose some uninsured people to get Medicaid before the A.C.A. went into effect, also found that insurance led to increased use of emergency medicine. Massachusetts saw the same effect after it introduced a program to increase the number of insured residents.

    Emergency room care is not free, after all. People didn’t always choose it because they couldn’t afford to go to a doctor’s office. They often went there because it was more convenient. When we decreased the cost for people to use that care, many used it more.
     
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    There are consequences for our votes...I hope he strips these programs down to the white meat, its time these hicky fuckin redneck voters feel the impact of thier votes and I'm tired of democrats trying to save these people....cut away Ryan, may the force and the pen be with you...and start with the south and work your way up!!
     
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    You'll need to vote some more right wingers into office first.

    Ryan can blather all he wants because he knows the democrats will stop him.

    That way he looks good but really need not delivery.
     
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