Ryan: budget by April 15 or no debt ceiling raise; it's off the table

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Chairman Ryan Statement on the No Budget, No Pay Act of 2013 | Budget.House.Gov
Chairman Ryan Statement on the No Budget, No Pay Act of 2013

January 23, 2013
WASHINGTON—Earlier today, the House of Representatives passed H.R. 325, the No Budget, No Pay Act of 2013. The legislation requires both houses of Congress to pass a budget, as stipulated by federal law. If either house fails to pass a budget, its members’ pay will be withheld.

Upon passage of the legislation, House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan of Wisconsin issued the following statement:

"Government must pay its bills. To do that, we need to cut spending and to budget responsibly.

"Every family sets a budget to pay its bills. Congress should do the same. In fact, it’s the law. In the past two years, the House has done its job. But for nearly four years, the Senate has refused to pass a budget. It can no longer shirk its duty. Now, both chambers must work together.

"The House will not consider another debt-ceiling increase unless the Senate passes a budget. We’re not going to just keep raising the debt ceiling, either. We’re going to take this opportunity to make a down payment on our debt reduction. And we’re going to point our country in the right direction."

I guess if we hit sequester or continuing resolution we are also going to get hit with a government shut down. Checks just won't go out. That includes social security.
 
Pretty straight forward.

It is called 'triangulation.'

Obama got his tax increases on the dirty rich. Obama got his 'clean' debt ceiling increase.

He 'won' on his issues. Now the Democrats must do something.
 
I guess if we hit sequester or continuing resolution we are also going to get hit with a government shut down.

Good

Checks just won't go out. That includes social security.

No it doesn't. That's just fearmongering propaganda.

It doesn't matter anyway because the Republicans will not hold to their word. They don't have the balls to not raise the debt ceiling. They're just grandstanding.
 
I should better clarify that the OP. If the SENATE passes a budget then another raise in the debt ceiling can be considered. So that does not require a full budget to the President by April 15th. There are other consequences though.
 
I guess if we hit sequester or continuing resolution we are also going to get hit with a government shut down.

Good

Checks just won't go out. That includes social security.

No it doesn't. That's just fearmongering propaganda.

It doesn't matter anyway because the Republicans will not hold to their word. They don't have the balls to not raise the debt ceiling. They're just grandstanding.

It will become a question of priorities it depends where Social Security ends up on the list of to-be-paid. Other people might cause a lot more pain to the government that a bunch of angry seniors.
 
Having no budget for all these years just shows how absolutely broken Washington is.

Frankly the morons on the Hill and in the WH don't deserve a dime of taxpayers money.
 
Ryan: budget by April 15 or no debt ceiling raise; it's off the table

Obama and the Democrats won the 2012 Election, forced the Republicans "to blink" over the "fiscal cliff" and according to the polls has the support of the majority of Americans!

Which of those 3 doesn't Ryan understand?

If Paul Ryan wants to make Republican attempts to undermine the Obama/Democratic authority to govern the country, let that be the basis for their 2014 campaign - by that time "opposition/gridlock fatigue" will have reached its peak!
 
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Pretty straight forward.

It is called 'triangulation.'

Obama got his tax increases on the dirty rich. Obama got his 'clean' debt ceiling increase.

He 'won' on his issues. Now the Democrats must do something.

The President agreed to have a budget on time and the House Republican leadership passed a debt ceiling increase. Time for both houses of Congress to make the next step. We really don't have time for this party bullshit.
 
Ryan: budget by April 15 or no debt ceiling raise; it's off the table

Obama and the Democrats won the 2012 Election, forced the Republicans "to blink" over the "fiscal cliff" and according to the polls has the support of the majority of Americans!

Which of those 3 doesn't Ryan understand?

If Paul Ryan wants to make Republican attempts to undermine the Obama/Democratic authority to govern the country, let that be the basis for their 2014 campaign - by that time "opposition fatigue" will jave reached its peak!

By 'undermine authority', you are stating Obama and Reid should have full sway to break the laws on the Nation and not submit / not pass budget resolutions?
 
Pretty straight forward.

It is called 'triangulation.'

Obama got his tax increases on the dirty rich. Obama got his 'clean' debt ceiling increase.

He 'won' on his issues. Now the Democrats must do something.

The President agreed to have a budget on time and the House Republican leadership passed a debt ceiling increase. Time for both houses of Congress to make the next step. We really don't have time for this party bullshit.

Horseshit.

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Here come the libs to tell us how irresponsible it is to play politics with the Debt Limit. Of course they were ok with doing it when Bush was President. In Fact Obama VOTED AGAINST raising it.

lol
 
Chairman Ryan Statement on the No Budget, No Pay Act of 2013 | Budget.House.Gov
Chairman Ryan Statement on the No Budget, No Pay Act of 2013

January 23, 2013
WASHINGTON—Earlier today, the House of Representatives passed H.R. 325, the No Budget, No Pay Act of 2013. The legislation requires both houses of Congress to pass a budget, as stipulated by federal law. If either house fails to pass a budget, its members’ pay will be withheld.

Upon passage of the legislation, House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan of Wisconsin issued the following statement:

"Government must pay its bills. To do that, we need to cut spending and to budget responsibly.

"Every family sets a budget to pay its bills. Congress should do the same. In fact, it’s the law. In the past two years, the House has done its job. But for nearly four years, the Senate has refused to pass a budget. It can no longer shirk its duty. Now, both chambers must work together.

"The House will not consider another debt-ceiling increase unless the Senate passes a budget. We’re not going to just keep raising the debt ceiling, either. We’re going to take this opportunity to make a down payment on our debt reduction. And we’re going to point our country in the right direction."

I guess if we hit sequester or continuing resolution we are also going to get hit with a government shut down. Checks just won't go out. That includes social security.

i wonder if ryan's mother will send him to his room without supper when she doesn't get her social security check.

that ought to work out real well for the teatards...
 
Chairman Ryan Statement on the No Budget, No Pay Act of 2013 | Budget.House.Gov
Chairman Ryan Statement on the No Budget, No Pay Act of 2013

January 23, 2013
WASHINGTON—Earlier today, the House of Representatives passed H.R. 325, the No Budget, No Pay Act of 2013. The legislation requires both houses of Congress to pass a budget, as stipulated by federal law. If either house fails to pass a budget, its members’ pay will be withheld.

Upon passage of the legislation, House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan of Wisconsin issued the following statement:

"Government must pay its bills. To do that, we need to cut spending and to budget responsibly.

"Every family sets a budget to pay its bills. Congress should do the same. In fact, it’s the law. In the past two years, the House has done its job. But for nearly four years, the Senate has refused to pass a budget. It can no longer shirk its duty. Now, both chambers must work together.

"The House will not consider another debt-ceiling increase unless the Senate passes a budget. We’re not going to just keep raising the debt ceiling, either. We’re going to take this opportunity to make a down payment on our debt reduction. And we’re going to point our country in the right direction."

I guess if we hit sequester or continuing resolution we are also going to get hit with a government shut down. Checks just won't go out. That includes social security.

i wonder if ryan's mother will send him to his room without supper when she doesn't get her social security check.

that ought to work out real well for the teatards...

Revenues are more than Enough to pay the SS obligations with out another Debt Limit Increase sweet heart. threatening to not pay SS benefits unless you are allowed to Borrow another couple Trillion is Criminal.
 
So the Repubs will force the US to default unless they get their way....NICE! I guess they want to speed up their moment of extinction.
 
Chairman Ryan Statement on the No Budget, No Pay Act of 2013 | Budget.House.Gov


I guess if we hit sequester or continuing resolution we are also going to get hit with a government shut down. Checks just won't go out. That includes social security.

i wonder if ryan's mother will send him to his room without supper when she doesn't get her social security check.

that ought to work out real well for the teatards...

Revenues are more than Enough to pay the SS obligations with out another Debt Limit Increase sweet heart. threatening to not pay SS benefits unless you are allowed to Borrow another couple Trillion is Criminal.

Of course, criminality has never stopped these Democrats in Washington.
 
So the Repubs will force the US to default unless they get their way....NICE! I guess they want to speed up their moment of extinction.

So how did you feel about it when Obama voted against raising the Debt Limit as a US senator?

fucking Hypocrites abound in the place.
 
Ryan: budget by April 15 or no debt ceiling raise; it's off the table

If the Republicans/Tea Party were truly confident of winning this confrontation, why would they have given Obama and the Democrats a free pass at this time - certainly not out of the goodness of theit hearts?

As long as Obama remains high in the polls, why should he attempt to bargain with the conservatives given that when he tried that strategy during his 1st term, they "slammed the door in his face."

This time around, the GOP is finally beginning to realize that strategically Obama and the Democrats are one-step ahead of them, that the majority of Americans don't support their oppositional tactics and that they again will be held accountable for this government "gridlock" in 2014!
 
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OK, a little more clarification on my part, more of an elaboration. What I get for not reading the 5 page bill.

HR 325 requires that both House and Senate pass a bill by by April 15th but Ryan stated that only if the Senate does not pass a bill by the deadline does the debt ceiling go off the table thereby relieving the Republican controlled House off the hook in that regards.
 
Paul Ryan is the brain behind the The Path to Prosperity. So let's look at this champion of smaller government, if that is really who he is.

Paul Ryan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Well he is a true believe in Ann Rand.
At a 2005 Washington, D.C. gathering celebrating the 100th anniversary of Ayn Rand's birth,[34][35] Ryan credited Rand as inspiring him to get involved in public service.[36] In a speech that same year at the Atlas Society, he said he grew up reading Rand, and that her books taught him about his value system and beliefs.[37][38] Ryan required staffers and interns in his congressional office to read Rand[38] and gave copies of her novel Atlas Shrugged as gifts to his staff for Christmas.[39][40] In his Atlas Society speech, he also described Social Security as a "socialist-based system".[41]
He doesn't always practice what he preaches however.
Ryan voted for the two Bush tax cuts (in 2001 and 2003),[86] the 2003 bill that created the Medicare Part D prescription drug benefit,[87][88] and the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP), the $700 billion bank bailout.[89][90] Ryan was one of 32 Republicans in the House to vote for the auto industry bailout.[91][92][93] A number of commentators have criticized Ryan's votes for what they believe were deficit-causing policies during the George W. Bush administration as being inconsistent with fiscal conservatism.[89][94][95][96] In 2011 President Barack Obama criticized Ryan as being "not on the level" for describing himself as a fiscal conservative while voting for these policies, as well as two "unpaid for" wars.[97] Columnist Ezra Klein wrote in 2012 that "If you know about Paul Ryan at all, you probably know him as a deficit hawk. But Ryan has voted to increase deficits and expand government spending too many times for that to be his north star."[98]
When it comes to education he is definitely ready to tighten the student's belt.
Ryan's budget proposals "would mean significant cutbacks for education across the board."[107] Rick Hess of the American Enterprise Institute notes that on "'education, training, employment, and social services,' the Ryan budget would spend 33% less" than Obama's budget plan over the next decade.[108] In particular, the Ryan plan tightens eligibility requirements for Pell Grants and freezes the maximum Pell Grant award at the current level. According to an analysis by the Education Trust, this would result in more than 1 million students losing Pell Grants over the next 10 years. Additionally, under Ryan's plan, student loans would begin to accrue interest while students are still in school.[107][109][110] Ryan states that his education policy is to "allocate our limited financial resources effectively and efficiently to improve education."[111] Jordan Weissmann of The Atlantic said that Ryan's vision on education policy is to "cut and privatize."[110]
He must have been ahead of his time in 2008 as the Roadmap for America's Future found only eight sponsors.
On May 21, 2008, Ryan introduced H.R. 6110, the Roadmap for America's Future Act of 2008, commonly referred to as the "Ryan budget."[113] This proposed legislation outlined changes to entitlement spending, including a controversial proposal to replace Medicare with a voucher program for seniors.[6][114][115] The Roadmap found only eight sponsors and did not move past committee.[6][116]
Ryan believed that by reducing spending for Medicare beneficiaries and reduced revenue from top tax rate. Sounds like a plan for a balanced budget to me.
On April 1, 2009, Ryan introduced his alternative to the 2010 United States federal budget. This alternative budget would have eliminated the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009, lowered the top tax rate to 25%, introduced an 8.5% value-added consumption tax[citation needed], and imposed a five-year spending freeze on all discretionary spending.[117][118] It would have also phased out Medicare's traditional fee-for-service model; instead, starting in 2021, it would offer fixed sums in the form of vouchers, with which Medicare beneficiaries could buy private insurance.[119] The federal government would no longer pay for Medicare benefits for persons born after 1958.
Ryan's proposed budget was criticized by opponents for the lack of concrete numbers.[120] It was ultimately rejected in the House by a vote of 293–137, with 38 Republicans in opposition.
Nine months later Ryan did modify his budget to make it more acceptable.
On January 27, 2010, Ryan released a modified version of his Roadmap, H.R. 4529: Roadmap for America's Future Act of 2010.[122][123] The modified plan would provide across-the-board tax cuts by reducing income tax rates; eliminate income taxes on capital gains, dividends, and interest; and abolish the corporate income tax, estate tax, and Alternative Minimum Tax.
Can't blame the House Republicans for trying however. They did pass a budget in 2011 for the 2012 year.
On April 11, 2011, Ryan introduced H.Con.Res. 34, a federal budget for fiscal year 2012.[131] The House passed this Ryan Plan on April 15, 2011, by a vote of 235–193. Four Republicans joined all House Democrats in voting against it.[132][133] A month later, the bill was defeated in the Senate by a vote of 57–40, with five Republicans and most Democrats in opposition.
Keep trying for the 2013 budget.
On March 23, 2012 Ryan introduced a new version of his federal budget for the fiscal year 2013.[135] On March 29, 2012, the House of Representatives passed the resolution along partisan lines, 228 yeas to 191 nays; ten Republicans voted against the bill, along with all the House Democrats.[136] Ryan's budget seeks to reduce all discretionary spending in the budget from 12.5% of GDP in 2011 to 3.75% of GDP in 2050.[137]
Any independent evaluation of Ryan's plans?
An analysis by the CBO showed that the Ryan plan would not balance the budget for at least 28 years, partly because the changes in Medicare would not affect anyone now older than 55.[139] Former U.S. Comptroller General David Walker and Maya MacGuineas, president of the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget, praised the budget for making tough choices. Walker believes it needs to go even further, tackling Social Security and defense spending.[140] In contrast, David Stockman, Director of the Office of Management and Budget under President Ronald Reagan, has declared that Ryan's budget "is devoid of credible math or hard policy choices" and would "do nothing to reverse the nation's economic decline and arrest its fiscal collapse."[141] Ezra Klein also criticized the budget for making "unrealistic assumptions."[137] The Center on Budget and Policy Priorities was highly critical of Ryan's budget proposal, stating that it would shift income to the wealthy while increasing poverty and inequality.[142]

Parts of the 2012 Ryan budget were criticized by the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops for its proposed cuts to housing and food stamp programs.[143][144] Faculty and administrators of Georgetown University challenged what they called Ryan's "continuing misuse of Catholic teaching" when defending his plan,[145][146] but Ryan rejected their criticism.[147]
And in closing of the analysis:
Ryan's budget "envisions continued increases in Pentagon spending" and "significant cuts to the much smaller appropriations for the State Department and foreign aid," with diplomacy and development spending being reduced sharply.[148]


Besides being an insight into Ryan's plans does this post serve any purpose?

Yes, it does. Ryan has not had popular ideas not only with the Democrats but with the American public not to mention within his own party. So why is Paul Ryan now the de facto champion of the House Republican's fiscal policy? Because the House Republicans have no plan and rather than working with the entire House they are grabbing the first solid thing they can find and that happens to Paul Ryan's budget. Paul Ryan's budget is not close enough to an acceptable proposal to be acceptable to any Democrat and several Republicans in either chambers. The only way a budget is going to get on the desk of the President is if the House Republicans give up this illogical allegiance to Paul Ryan, work with the House Democrats to come up with a plan, and then work with the Senate to reach agreement.

This is what needs to be done. There is no time to do anything else. This is not gridlock as in nothing is going to get passed. The House can pass a budget. What it can't do in its current state is keep this country from falling off the cliff. This falls squarely on the House Republicans and they should be under no illusion that the American public will realize as much in 2014. At that time their pay will not be escrowed as there will be no pay without a job, a job they did not do.
 
I guess if we hit sequester or continuing resolution we are also going to get hit with a government shut down.

Good

Checks just won't go out. That includes social security.

No it doesn't. That's just fearmongering propaganda.

It doesn't matter anyway because the Republicans will not hold to their word. They don't have the balls to not raise the debt ceiling. They're just grandstanding.

It will become a question of priorities it depends where Social Security ends up on the list of to-be-paid. Other people might cause a lot more pain to the government that a bunch of angry seniors.

But as we're reminded by the Obamabots every time we bring the necessity to reform Social Security to ensure its long term stability, the program has its own dedicated funding stream, the payroll tax. So what does the debt ceiling have to do with Social Security?

The only reason SS checks wouldn't go out is if they're ordered to not go out by the Obama administration in order to play politics with people's livelihoods and blame his political opponents.
 

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