'Russian threat' is fraught with NATO disintegration

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It can be said that this is already a reality now.

Despite mantras about unity and solidarity, the very NATO cohesion ceased to exist years ago. Only the Baltic States and such eastern European countries like Poland express their full support for anti-Russian views. Some members of the Alliance are in favor of re-establishing the dialogue with Russia while Turkey actually interacts with it at jumping-off ground for military actions in Syria and develops active military-technical cooperation with Russia by entering into a contract for the supply of the S-400 missile systems. NATO leadership, represented by its Secretary General, expresses public interest in close contacts with the Chief of the General Staff of Russian Armed Forces, as well as, in expanding the practice of mutual briefings. And judging by the tone and attitudes of Jens Stoltenberg, this is not simply a matter of 'having a cup of tea and talking'.

Washington's grand statements referring to the 'principal' impossibility of dialogue on the normalization of relations with Russia without solving Ukraine's problems are a bit out of tune. That is just such a trend inside NATO now. I mean the situation when the lion's share of anti-Russian rhetoric comes solely from the USA. Moreover, some statements of player characters on the US military-political scene demonstrate the interest in escalating confrontation with Moscow and driving the situation to a critical level. The USA, through its Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, warns its allies of the danger of any advance to contact with Russia without Washington's authorization, threatening even to exclude them from the Alliance if they do not obey.

Could it be stated, based on the above, that there is a split within the North-Atlantic Alliance? Not quite yet, I think. But that is the way things are going. If in the near future the USA does not change negotiation tactics with its European partners, there will be crisis.

The thing is that Europe is tired of following US strict dictates. Countries of old Europe aspire to be more independent. They are long concerned about establishment of own armed forces that could fully substitute NATO. Moreover, a number of influential European politicians even leave open the possibility of creating common Russian-European military defense systems in emphasizing that Russia and Europe are not geopolitical enemies while they face common threats.

It should be understood, however, that in the foreseeable future the changes in relations between NATO and Russia are impossible. And none of the rest of it matters. NATO military alliance is interested in deepening the crisis in the relations with Russia as now it is the only argument that underlines the importance and usefulness of NATO for the Western World. There needs to be an enemy for this military alliance to exist. And now it is Russia.

That is why the United States are so enthusiastic inventing many new threats against which supposedly only North-Atlantic Alliance with its number one 'Russian threat' on the list can protect Europe. Thus, the USA sets the general direction of the NATO anti-Russian vector.
 
Europeans begin to understand that the US regime tries to play off EU against RU and vice versa. While they pretend to be friends of Europe, they consider a strong Europe to be a potential enemy like they consider a strong Russia to be an enemy. So they pop bottles while EU and Russia impose sanctions on each other and thus harm each other.

Example of the fruits the US wants to harvest:
Obama regime already built the assets to transfer US natural gas to Europe
 
Europeans begin to understand that the US regime tries to play off EU against RU and vice versa. While they pretend to be friends of Europe, they consider a strong Europe to be a potential enemy like they consider a strong Russia to be an enemy. So they pop bottles while EU and Russia impose sanctions on each other and thus harm each other.

Example of the fruits the US wants to harvest:
Obama regime already built the assets to transfer US natural gas to Europe
So the game of power and control between nations continues apace....... Color me shocked........ Not........
 
Europeans begin to understand that the US regime tries to play off EU against RU and vice versa. While they pretend to be friends of Europe, they consider a strong Europe to be a potential enemy like they consider a strong Russia to be an enemy. So they pop bottles while EU and Russia impose sanctions on each other and thus harm each other.

Example of the fruits the US wants to harvest:
Obama regime already built the assets to transfer US natural gas to Europe
So the game of power and control between nations continues apace....... Color me shocked........ Not........
It´s very sad and not in our interest.
 
Europeans begin to understand that the US regime tries to play off EU against RU and vice versa. While they pretend to be friends of Europe, they consider a strong Europe to be a potential enemy like they consider a strong Russia to be an enemy. So they pop bottles while EU and Russia impose sanctions on each other and thus harm each other.

Example of the fruits the US wants to harvest:
Obama regime already built the assets to transfer US natural gas to Europe
So the game of power and control between nations continues apace....... Color me shocked........ Not........
It´s very sad and not in our interest.
You keep telling yourself that.
 
Europeans begin to understand that the US regime tries to play off EU against RU and vice versa. While they pretend to be friends of Europe, they consider a strong Europe to be a potential enemy like they consider a strong Russia to be an enemy. So they pop bottles while EU and Russia impose sanctions on each other and thus harm each other.

Example of the fruits the US wants to harvest:
Obama regime already built the assets to transfer US natural gas to Europe
So the game of power and control between nations continues apace....... Color me shocked........ Not........
It´s very sad and not in our interest.
You keep telling yourself that.
You can see your benefits when a maltreated country suddenly has nukes. Your government is already telling you how to protect yourself from a nuclear explosion like in the cold war.
 
Europeans begin to understand that the US regime tries to play off EU against RU and vice versa. While they pretend to be friends of Europe, they consider a strong Europe to be a potential enemy like they consider a strong Russia to be an enemy. So they pop bottles while EU and Russia impose sanctions on each other and thus harm each other.

Example of the fruits the US wants to harvest:
Obama regime already built the assets to transfer US natural gas to Europe
So the game of power and control between nations continues apace....... Color me shocked........ Not........
It´s very sad and not in our interest.
You keep telling yourself that.
You can see your benefits when a maltreated country suddenly has nukes. Your government is already telling you how to protect yourself from a nuclear explosion like in the cold war.
The first nation that uses nukes will have the whole world turn against them, every nation knows this. Obviously you're knowledge of the never ending "power game" is horribly limited. Every nation knows that the US is currently the big dog on the block and act accordingly meaning they do what they think is in their own best interests. If that means playing ball with the US for the time being then they do so, if it means playing ball with, say Russia or China or Iran, etc then that's what they do for the time being. Russia wants it's sphere of influence back, plus, plus, plus, that's to be expected, China wants to expand it's sphere of influence and most European countries have given up there quest for world influence and are simply following one or the other.
 
Europeans begin to understand that the US regime tries to play off EU against RU and vice versa. While they pretend to be friends of Europe, they consider a strong Europe to be a potential enemy like they consider a strong Russia to be an enemy. So they pop bottles while EU and Russia impose sanctions on each other and thus harm each other.

Example of the fruits the US wants to harvest:
Obama regime already built the assets to transfer US natural gas to Europe
So the game of power and control between nations continues apace....... Color me shocked........ Not........
It´s very sad and not in our interest.
You keep telling yourself that.
You can see your benefits when a maltreated country suddenly has nukes. Your government is already telling you how to protect yourself from a nuclear explosion like in the cold war.
The first nation that uses nukes will have the whole world turn against them, every nation knows this. Obviously you're knowledge of the never ending "power game" is horribly limited. Every nation knows that the US is currently the big dog on the block and act accordingly meaning they do what they think is in their own best interests. If that means playing ball with the US for the time being then they do so, if it means playing ball with, say Russia or China or Iran, etc then that's what they do for the time being. Russia wants it's sphere of influence back, plus, plus, plus, that's to be expected, China wants to expand it's sphere of influence and most European countries have given up there quest for world influence and are simply following one or the other.
Even the big dog needs friends and he doesn´t have friends. We can see it based on the Jerusalem poll in the UN. Countries targeted by the US mostly have no anti-American intentions. See Venezuela for example. They don´t want tensions with the USA - The US is their largest crude oil buyer. It´s not the power game you are talking about but it is an insane struggle to control everyone and everything.
 
So the game of power and control between nations continues apace....... Color me shocked........ Not........
It´s very sad and not in our interest.
You keep telling yourself that.
You can see your benefits when a maltreated country suddenly has nukes. Your government is already telling you how to protect yourself from a nuclear explosion like in the cold war.
The first nation that uses nukes will have the whole world turn against them, every nation knows this. Obviously you're knowledge of the never ending "power game" is horribly limited. Every nation knows that the US is currently the big dog on the block and act accordingly meaning they do what they think is in their own best interests. If that means playing ball with the US for the time being then they do so, if it means playing ball with, say Russia or China or Iran, etc then that's what they do for the time being. Russia wants it's sphere of influence back, plus, plus, plus, that's to be expected, China wants to expand it's sphere of influence and most European countries have given up there quest for world influence and are simply following one or the other.
Even the big dog needs friends and he doesn´t have friends. We can see it based on the Jerusalem poll in the UN. Countries targeted by the US mostly have no anti-American intentions. See Venezuela for example. They don´t want tensions with the USA - The US is their largest crude oil buyer. It´s not the power game you are talking about but it is an insane struggle to control everyone and everything.
No ant-American intentions...... Venezuela...... :lmao:

The power struggle I'm referring to has been going on since one tribal clan wanted possession or control of it's neighbor's resources and hasn't stopped since. If you'd actually taken post HS history you'd know this.
When Rome controlled the "known" world how popular were they? When China controlled the "known" world how popular were they? When the Soviet Union controlled their sphere of influence how popular were they, when Great Britain, when the US, when, when........
With some each gain allies thus gaining enemies and you actually believe that remains static?
 
It´s very sad and not in our interest.
You keep telling yourself that.
You can see your benefits when a maltreated country suddenly has nukes. Your government is already telling you how to protect yourself from a nuclear explosion like in the cold war.
The first nation that uses nukes will have the whole world turn against them, every nation knows this. Obviously you're knowledge of the never ending "power game" is horribly limited. Every nation knows that the US is currently the big dog on the block and act accordingly meaning they do what they think is in their own best interests. If that means playing ball with the US for the time being then they do so, if it means playing ball with, say Russia or China or Iran, etc then that's what they do for the time being. Russia wants it's sphere of influence back, plus, plus, plus, that's to be expected, China wants to expand it's sphere of influence and most European countries have given up there quest for world influence and are simply following one or the other.
Even the big dog needs friends and he doesn´t have friends. We can see it based on the Jerusalem poll in the UN. Countries targeted by the US mostly have no anti-American intentions. See Venezuela for example. They don´t want tensions with the USA - The US is their largest crude oil buyer. It´s not the power game you are talking about but it is an insane struggle to control everyone and everything.
No ant-American intentions...... Venezuela...... :lmao:

The power struggle I'm referring to has been going on since one tribal clan wanted possession or control of it's neighbor's resources and hasn't stopped since. If you'd actually taken post HS history you'd know this.
When Rome controlled the "known" world how popular were they? When China controlled the "known" world how popular were they? When the Soviet Union controlled their sphere of influence how popular were they, when Great Britain, when the US, when, when........
With some each gain allies thus gaining enemies and you actually believe that remains static?
Form of government: Machiavellianism - Wikipedia
 
You keep telling yourself that.
You can see your benefits when a maltreated country suddenly has nukes. Your government is already telling you how to protect yourself from a nuclear explosion like in the cold war.
The first nation that uses nukes will have the whole world turn against them, every nation knows this. Obviously you're knowledge of the never ending "power game" is horribly limited. Every nation knows that the US is currently the big dog on the block and act accordingly meaning they do what they think is in their own best interests. If that means playing ball with the US for the time being then they do so, if it means playing ball with, say Russia or China or Iran, etc then that's what they do for the time being. Russia wants it's sphere of influence back, plus, plus, plus, that's to be expected, China wants to expand it's sphere of influence and most European countries have given up there quest for world influence and are simply following one or the other.
Even the big dog needs friends and he doesn´t have friends. We can see it based on the Jerusalem poll in the UN. Countries targeted by the US mostly have no anti-American intentions. See Venezuela for example. They don´t want tensions with the USA - The US is their largest crude oil buyer. It´s not the power game you are talking about but it is an insane struggle to control everyone and everything.
No ant-American intentions...... Venezuela...... :lmao:

The power struggle I'm referring to has been going on since one tribal clan wanted possession or control of it's neighbor's resources and hasn't stopped since. If you'd actually taken post HS history you'd know this.
When Rome controlled the "known" world how popular were they? When China controlled the "known" world how popular were they? When the Soviet Union controlled their sphere of influence how popular were they, when Great Britain, when the US, when, when........
With some each gain allies thus gaining enemies and you actually believe that remains static?
Form of government: Machiavellianism - Wikipedia
That is how world politics is, always has been.
 
You can see your benefits when a maltreated country suddenly has nukes. Your government is already telling you how to protect yourself from a nuclear explosion like in the cold war.
The first nation that uses nukes will have the whole world turn against them, every nation knows this. Obviously you're knowledge of the never ending "power game" is horribly limited. Every nation knows that the US is currently the big dog on the block and act accordingly meaning they do what they think is in their own best interests. If that means playing ball with the US for the time being then they do so, if it means playing ball with, say Russia or China or Iran, etc then that's what they do for the time being. Russia wants it's sphere of influence back, plus, plus, plus, that's to be expected, China wants to expand it's sphere of influence and most European countries have given up there quest for world influence and are simply following one or the other.
Even the big dog needs friends and he doesn´t have friends. We can see it based on the Jerusalem poll in the UN. Countries targeted by the US mostly have no anti-American intentions. See Venezuela for example. They don´t want tensions with the USA - The US is their largest crude oil buyer. It´s not the power game you are talking about but it is an insane struggle to control everyone and everything.
No ant-American intentions...... Venezuela...... :lmao:

The power struggle I'm referring to has been going on since one tribal clan wanted possession or control of it's neighbor's resources and hasn't stopped since. If you'd actually taken post HS history you'd know this.
When Rome controlled the "known" world how popular were they? When China controlled the "known" world how popular were they? When the Soviet Union controlled their sphere of influence how popular were they, when Great Britain, when the US, when, when........
With some each gain allies thus gaining enemies and you actually believe that remains static?
Form of government: Machiavellianism - Wikipedia
That is how world politics is, always has been.
Mostly, at least. Those who didn´t want were forced to in order to survive. But aren´t we claiming we are more developed, democratic, human nowadays?
 
The first nation that uses nukes will have the whole world turn against them, every nation knows this. Obviously you're knowledge of the never ending "power game" is horribly limited. Every nation knows that the US is currently the big dog on the block and act accordingly meaning they do what they think is in their own best interests. If that means playing ball with the US for the time being then they do so, if it means playing ball with, say Russia or China or Iran, etc then that's what they do for the time being. Russia wants it's sphere of influence back, plus, plus, plus, that's to be expected, China wants to expand it's sphere of influence and most European countries have given up there quest for world influence and are simply following one or the other.
Even the big dog needs friends and he doesn´t have friends. We can see it based on the Jerusalem poll in the UN. Countries targeted by the US mostly have no anti-American intentions. See Venezuela for example. They don´t want tensions with the USA - The US is their largest crude oil buyer. It´s not the power game you are talking about but it is an insane struggle to control everyone and everything.
No ant-American intentions...... Venezuela...... :lmao:

The power struggle I'm referring to has been going on since one tribal clan wanted possession or control of it's neighbor's resources and hasn't stopped since. If you'd actually taken post HS history you'd know this.
When Rome controlled the "known" world how popular were they? When China controlled the "known" world how popular were they? When the Soviet Union controlled their sphere of influence how popular were they, when Great Britain, when the US, when, when........
With some each gain allies thus gaining enemies and you actually believe that remains static?
Form of government: Machiavellianism - Wikipedia
That is how world politics is, always has been.
Mostly, at least. Those who didn´t want were forced to in order to survive. But aren´t we claiming we are more developed, democratic, human nowadays?
Of course that's claimed, everyone claims it, with some it's more true than others but that's not saying much. Every country/political party, group in control does what it thinks is in either their collective and/or private interests. Currently, if memory serves, the only past world power that hasn't tried or isn't currently trying to regain it's former glory and world power status is England.
 
Even the big dog needs friends and he doesn´t have friends. We can see it based on the Jerusalem poll in the UN. Countries targeted by the US mostly have no anti-American intentions. See Venezuela for example. They don´t want tensions with the USA - The US is their largest crude oil buyer. It´s not the power game you are talking about but it is an insane struggle to control everyone and everything.
No ant-American intentions...... Venezuela...... :lmao:

The power struggle I'm referring to has been going on since one tribal clan wanted possession or control of it's neighbor's resources and hasn't stopped since. If you'd actually taken post HS history you'd know this.
When Rome controlled the "known" world how popular were they? When China controlled the "known" world how popular were they? When the Soviet Union controlled their sphere of influence how popular were they, when Great Britain, when the US, when, when........
With some each gain allies thus gaining enemies and you actually believe that remains static?
Form of government: Machiavellianism - Wikipedia
That is how world politics is, always has been.
Mostly, at least. Those who didn´t want were forced to in order to survive. But aren´t we claiming we are more developed, democratic, human nowadays?
Of course that's claimed, everyone claims it, with some it's more true than others but that's not saying much. Every country/political party, group in control does what it thinks is in either their collective and/or private interests. Currently, if memory serves, the only past world power that hasn't tried or isn't currently trying to regain it's former glory and world power status is England.
If you have no carrots or sticks to offer (England´s mercantile marine was both) then you are not a world power.

Gunboat diplomacy - Wikipedia
 
No ant-American intentions...... Venezuela...... :lmao:

The power struggle I'm referring to has been going on since one tribal clan wanted possession or control of it's neighbor's resources and hasn't stopped since. If you'd actually taken post HS history you'd know this.
When Rome controlled the "known" world how popular were they? When China controlled the "known" world how popular were they? When the Soviet Union controlled their sphere of influence how popular were they, when Great Britain, when the US, when, when........
With some each gain allies thus gaining enemies and you actually believe that remains static?
Form of government: Machiavellianism - Wikipedia
That is how world politics is, always has been.
Mostly, at least. Those who didn´t want were forced to in order to survive. But aren´t we claiming we are more developed, democratic, human nowadays?
Of course that's claimed, everyone claims it, with some it's more true than others but that's not saying much. Every country/political party, group in control does what it thinks is in either their collective and/or private interests. Currently, if memory serves, the only past world power that hasn't tried or isn't currently trying to regain it's former glory and world power status is England.
If you have no carrots or sticks to offer (England´s mercantile marine was both) then you are not a world power.

Gunboat diplomacy - Wikipedia
Yeah, I know how it works.
 
That is how world politics is, always has been.
Mostly, at least. Those who didn´t want were forced to in order to survive. But aren´t we claiming we are more developed, democratic, human nowadays?
Of course that's claimed, everyone claims it, with some it's more true than others but that's not saying much. Every country/political party, group in control does what it thinks is in either their collective and/or private interests. Currently, if memory serves, the only past world power that hasn't tried or isn't currently trying to regain it's former glory and world power status is England.
If you have no carrots or sticks to offer (England´s mercantile marine was both) then you are not a world power.

Gunboat diplomacy - Wikipedia
Yeah, I know how it works.
Carrots actually must consist of benefits and advantages.
 
That is how world politics is, always has been.
Mostly, at least. Those who didn´t want were forced to in order to survive. But aren´t we claiming we are more developed, democratic, human nowadays?
Of course that's claimed, everyone claims it, with some it's more true than others but that's not saying much. Every country/political party, group in control does what it thinks is in either their collective and/or private interests. Currently, if memory serves, the only past world power that hasn't tried or isn't currently trying to regain it's former glory and world power status is England.
If you have no carrots or sticks to offer (England´s mercantile marine was both) then you are not a world power.

Gunboat diplomacy - Wikipedia
Yeah, I know how it works.
Carrots actually must consist of benefits and advantages.
They do....... but not to all...... Such is life.
 
Europeans begin to understand that the US regime tries to play off EU against RU and vice versa. While they pretend to be friends of Europe, they consider a strong Europe to be a potential enemy like they consider a strong Russia to be an enemy. So they pop bottles while EU and Russia impose sanctions on each other and thus harm each other.

Example of the fruits the US wants to harvest:
Obama regime already built the assets to transfer US natural gas to Europe
So the game of power and control between nations continues apace....... Color me shocked........ Not........
It´s very sad and not in our interest.
You keep telling yourself that.
You can see your benefits when a maltreated country suddenly has nukes. Your government is already telling you how to protect yourself from a nuclear explosion like in the cold war.
The first nation that uses nukes will have the whole world turn against them, every nation knows this. Obviously you're knowledge of the never ending "power game" is horribly limited. Every nation knows that the US is currently the big dog on the block and act accordingly meaning they do what they think is in their own best interests. If that means playing ball with the US for the time being then they do so, if it means playing ball with, say Russia or China or Iran, etc then that's what they do for the time being. Russia wants it's sphere of influence back, plus, plus, plus, that's to be expected, China wants to expand it's sphere of influence and most European countries have given up there quest for world influence and are simply following one or the other.
China is rapidly expanding it's sphere of influence by economic means. while we sit and moan about their military. Just as they wish. Nukes are the key to keeping the major nations from fighting world wars. MAD is mad, but the logic is there. Except for the small nations with leaders that cannot see anything in global context. Now should a major nation get such a leader, then we are in trouble. Then again, maybe we are in trouble.
 
It´s very sad and not in our interest.
You keep telling yourself that.
You can see your benefits when a maltreated country suddenly has nukes. Your government is already telling you how to protect yourself from a nuclear explosion like in the cold war.
The first nation that uses nukes will have the whole world turn against them, every nation knows this. Obviously you're knowledge of the never ending "power game" is horribly limited. Every nation knows that the US is currently the big dog on the block and act accordingly meaning they do what they think is in their own best interests. If that means playing ball with the US for the time being then they do so, if it means playing ball with, say Russia or China or Iran, etc then that's what they do for the time being. Russia wants it's sphere of influence back, plus, plus, plus, that's to be expected, China wants to expand it's sphere of influence and most European countries have given up there quest for world influence and are simply following one or the other.
Even the big dog needs friends and he doesn´t have friends. We can see it based on the Jerusalem poll in the UN. Countries targeted by the US mostly have no anti-American intentions. See Venezuela for example. They don´t want tensions with the USA - The US is their largest crude oil buyer. It´s not the power game you are talking about but it is an insane struggle to control everyone and everything.
No ant-American intentions...... Venezuela...... :lmao:

The power struggle I'm referring to has been going on since one tribal clan wanted possession or control of it's neighbor's resources and hasn't stopped since. If you'd actually taken post HS history you'd know this.
When Rome controlled the "known" world how popular were they? When China controlled the "known" world how popular were they? When the Soviet Union controlled their sphere of influence how popular were they, when Great Britain, when the US, when, when........
With some each gain allies thus gaining enemies and you actually believe that remains static?
Power and advancement is not a popularity contest. The way to judge how popular a nation is is by how many of the innovators and entrepenuers move there to better their lot in life. Right now, the US is the most popular nation in the world, but there are others that are beginning to draw the best and brightest.
 
You keep telling yourself that.
You can see your benefits when a maltreated country suddenly has nukes. Your government is already telling you how to protect yourself from a nuclear explosion like in the cold war.
The first nation that uses nukes will have the whole world turn against them, every nation knows this. Obviously you're knowledge of the never ending "power game" is horribly limited. Every nation knows that the US is currently the big dog on the block and act accordingly meaning they do what they think is in their own best interests. If that means playing ball with the US for the time being then they do so, if it means playing ball with, say Russia or China or Iran, etc then that's what they do for the time being. Russia wants it's sphere of influence back, plus, plus, plus, that's to be expected, China wants to expand it's sphere of influence and most European countries have given up there quest for world influence and are simply following one or the other.
Even the big dog needs friends and he doesn´t have friends. We can see it based on the Jerusalem poll in the UN. Countries targeted by the US mostly have no anti-American intentions. See Venezuela for example. They don´t want tensions with the USA - The US is their largest crude oil buyer. It´s not the power game you are talking about but it is an insane struggle to control everyone and everything.
No ant-American intentions...... Venezuela...... :lmao:

The power struggle I'm referring to has been going on since one tribal clan wanted possession or control of it's neighbor's resources and hasn't stopped since. If you'd actually taken post HS history you'd know this.
When Rome controlled the "known" world how popular were they? When China controlled the "known" world how popular were they? When the Soviet Union controlled their sphere of influence how popular were they, when Great Britain, when the US, when, when........
With some each gain allies thus gaining enemies and you actually believe that remains static?
Power and advancement is not a popularity contest. The way to judge how popular a nation is is by how many of the innovators and entrepenuers move there to better their lot in life. Right now, the US is the most popular nation in the world, but there are others that are beginning to draw the best and brightest.
Remember way back when I said history, sociology and psychology, not geology are my disciplines and I would leave geology to those who know it........... Something you should take to heart....... :eusa_whistle:
 

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