Russian Ngos Demand Investigation Of Massacres Near Ukraine's Donetsk

[katsung47]

Russian NGOs demand investigation of massacres near Ukraine's Donetsk

September 24,
Many of the victims are said to have been shot in the head at point-blank range
MOSCOW, September 24. /ITAR-TASS/. Russian non-governmental organizations are demanding a comprehensive investigation of the mass graves containing bodies of civilians near Donetsk. Local militias found the graves on September 23. Many of the victims are said to have been shot in the head at point-blank range. Just two days ago that territory had been under the control of Kiev’s forces. Now it will be explored most thoroughly. Militias say they have discovered other graves, too, which will remain unexcavated for the time being.
TASS World - Russian NGOs demand investigation of massacres near Ukraine s Donetsk

 

[shart_attack]

Got a feelin' that The Hague ain't gonna like it a whole lot when it finds out that the Ukrainians are the ones who committed the heinous murders — not the Russians.

But all good: John Kerry will save us all.

 

[georgephillip]

"There is irrefutable evidence that the National Guard and ultra-nationalist Right Sector fighters are responsible for the murder of people recently discovered in mass burial sites near Donetsk, eastern Ukraine said Russia’s Investigative Committee.

“'For those who have doubts regarding who’s responsible for these murders, the Investigative Committee has irrefutable evidence - witness accounts and appropriate examinations – that directly indicates that this crime was committed by fighters from the National Guard and Right Sector,' the committee’s head Vladimir Markin in a statement on Wednesday.

"The mass graves discovered in September near the city of Donetsk in eastern Ukraine 'are further eloquent testimony to the atrocities of the Ukrainian nationalists,' Markin said, adding that 'all of the victims were tortured before their murder.'"

Strong proof Right Sector National Guard linked to mass graves near Donetsk Moscow RT News

 

[katsung47]

They always have two standards on opposites and self.

Losing Credibility: The IMF’s New Cold War Loan to Ukraine

September 9, 2014

By Michael Hudson

In April 2014, fresh from riots in Maidan Square and the February 22 coup, and less than a month before the May 2 massacre in Odessa, the IMF approved a $17 billion loan program to Ukraine’s junta. Normal IMF practice is to lend only up to twice a country’s quote in one year. This was eight times as high.

Four months later, on August 29, just as Kiev began losing its attempt at ethnic cleansing against the eastern Donbas region, the IMF signed off on the first loan ever to a side engaged in a civil war, not to mention rife with insider capital flight and a collapsing balance of payments. Based on fictitiously trouble-free projections of the ability to pay, the loan supported Ukraine’s hernia currency long enough to enable the oligarchs’ banks to move their money quickly into Western hard-currency accounts before the hernia plunged further and was worth even fewer euros and dollars.
http://michael-hudson.com/2014/09/losing-credibility-the-imfs-new-cold-war-loan-to-ukraine/

 

[JimH52]

How about we demand an investigation of who shot down the passenger plane? Has everyone forgotten about that? O did the rebels steal all the evidence that it was russian missles?

 

[georgephillip]

How about we demand an investigation of who shot down the passenger plane? Has everyone forgotten about that? O did the rebels steal all the evidence that it was russian missles?

Judging from the way the story has disappeared from MSN, perhaps Russian missiles did not bring down the plane?

 

[JimH52]

How about we demand an investigation of who shot down the passenger plane? Has everyone forgotten about that? O did the rebels steal all the evidence that it was russian missles?

Judging from the way the story has disappeared from MSN, perhaps Russian missiles did not bring down the plane?

BS, they were recorded bragging about it. They were the ones with the russian missiles and it was shot from rebel territory. Someone has to be investigating.

 

[georgephillip]

How about we demand an investigation of who shot down the passenger plane? Has everyone forgotten about that? O did the rebels steal all the evidence that it was russian missles?

Judging from the way the story has disappeared from MSN, perhaps Russian missiles did not bring down the plane?

BS, they were recorded bragging about it. They were the ones with the russian missiles and it was shot from rebel territory. Someone has to be investigating.

So why haven't the tape recordings between MH-17's cockpit and the Kiev control tower been released? Because they reveal Ukrainian jets took part in the shoot down, maybe?

 

[JimH52]

How about we demand an investigation of who shot down the passenger plane? Has everyone forgotten about that? O did the rebels steal all the evidence that it was russian missles?

Judging from the way the story has disappeared from MSN, perhaps Russian missiles did not bring down the plane?

BS, they were recorded bragging about it. They were the ones with the russian missiles and it was shot from rebel territory. Someone has to be investigating.

So why haven't the tape recordings between MH-17's cockpit and the Kiev control tower been released? Because they reveal Ukrainian jets took part in the shoot down, maybe?

Oh but the tapes with russian rebels celebrating the kill have been released. The international community will need to address it soon......Comrade

 

[georgephillip]

How about we demand an investigation of who shot down the passenger plane? Has everyone forgotten about that? O did the rebels steal all the evidence that it was russian missles?

Judging from the way the story has disappeared from MSN, perhaps Russian missiles did not bring down the plane?

BS, they were recorded bragging about it. They were the ones with the russian missiles and it was shot from rebel territory. Someone has to be investigating.

So why haven't the tape recordings between MH-17's cockpit and the Kiev control tower been released? Because they reveal Ukrainian jets took part in the shoot down, maybe?

Oh but the tapes with russian rebels celebrating the kill have been released. The international community will need to address it soon......Comrade

"The Russian Ministry of Defense has maintained that American claims of separatist responsibility were 'unfounded', and said that the American intelligence agencies have not released any of the data on which they based their conclusions.[155]

"According to the Russian military, in what the New York Magazine called 'Russia's Conspiracy Theory', MH17 was shot down by the Ukrainians, using either a surface to air missile or a fighter plane.[156][157]

"On 21 July, the Russian Defence Ministry held a press conference and said that while the Boeing 777 was crashing, a Ukrainian Su-25 ground-attack aircraft approached to within 3 to 5 kilometres (1.9 to 3.1 mi) of the Malaysian airliner.

"The Ministry also stated that satellite photographs showed that the Ukrainian army moved a Buk SAM battery to the area close to the territory controlled by the rebels on the morning of 17 July, hours before the crash.

"They said the installation was then moved away again by 18 July."

Why would you believe anything Obama has to say about this particular crime?

Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[JimH52]

BBC News - MH17 Malaysia plane crash in Ukraine What we know

We will know soon. The pro-Russians could not steal all the evidence at the site, since it is a 12 mile radius. And Ukraine has invited multiple nations to join the investigation. Hmmmm, seems they don't have anything to hide. Someone will be help accountable.

 

[georgephillip]

BBC News - MH17 Malaysia plane crash in Ukraine What we know

We will know soon. The pro-Russians could not steal all the evidence at the site, since it is a 12 mile radius. And Ukraine has invited multiple nations to join the investigation. Hmmmm, seems they don't have anything to hide. Someone will be help accountable.

Why do you assume it's the Russians who are lying in this case when it was US meddling that brought the current government in Kiev to power last winter?
"German pilot and airlines expert, Peter Haisenko, thinks that Malaysia Flight 17 was not blown up by a ground-based antiaircraft missile, but shot down by the type of double-barreled 30-mm guns used on Ukrainian SU-25 fighter planes.

"Haisenko presented his theory in a widely-circulated and controversial article which appeared on the Global Research website titled 'Revelations of German Pilot: Shocking Analysis of the “Shooting Down' of Malaysian MH17. 'Aircraft Was Not Hit by a Missile'. Here’s an excerpt from the article:

“'The facts speak clear and loud and are beyond the realm of speculation: The cockpit shows traces of shelling! You can see the entry and exit holes.'"
Was Malaysia Flight 17 Shot Down CounterPunch Tells the Facts Names the Names

 

[JimH52]

BBC News - MH17 Malaysia plane crash in Ukraine What we know

We will know soon. The pro-Russians could not steal all the evidence at the site, since it is a 12 mile radius. And Ukraine has invited multiple nations to join the investigation. Hmmmm, seems they don't have anything to hide. Someone will be help accountable.

Why do you assume it's the Russians who are lying in this case when it was US meddling that brought the current government in Kiev to power last winter?
"German pilot and airlines expert, Peter Haisenko, thinks that Malaysia Flight 17 was not blown up by a ground-based antiaircraft missile, but shot down by the type of double-barreled 30-mm guns used on Ukrainian SU-25 fighter planes.

"Haisenko presented his theory in a widely-circulated and controversial article which appeared on the Global Research website titled 'Revelations of German Pilot: Shocking Analysis of the “Shooting Down' of Malaysian MH17. 'Aircraft Was Not Hit by a Missile'. Here’s an excerpt from the article:

“'The facts speak clear and loud and are beyond the realm of speculation: The cockpit shows traces of shelling! You can see the entry and exit holes.'"
Was Malaysia Flight 17 Shot Down CounterPunch Tells the Facts Names the Names

All the evidence is pointing to Putin and his "Three Stooges" rebels across the russian border. You need to read and comprehend and get your nose our of Putin's butt, Comrade.

They said the "most plausible explanation" for the shooting down of the plane was that rebels mistook it for another aircraft.

Evidence included images purportedly showing a surface-to-air missile launcher in the area, analysis of voice recordings of pro-Russian rebels apparently admitting bringing the airliner down and social-media activity pointing to rebel involvement.

The evidence also included satellite images of a facility allegedly used to train rebels near the Russian city of Rostov, which were later tweeted by Geoffrey Pyatt, US ambassador to Ukraine.

 

[georgephillip]

BBC News - MH17 Malaysia plane crash in Ukraine What we know

We will know soon. The pro-Russians could not steal all the evidence at the site, since it is a 12 mile radius. And Ukraine has invited multiple nations to join the investigation. Hmmmm, seems they don't have anything to hide. Someone will be help accountable.

Why do you assume it's the Russians who are lying in this case when it was US meddling that brought the current government in Kiev to power last winter?
"German pilot and airlines expert, Peter Haisenko, thinks that Malaysia Flight 17 was not blown up by a ground-based antiaircraft missile, but shot down by the type of double-barreled 30-mm guns used on Ukrainian SU-25 fighter planes.

"Haisenko presented his theory in a widely-circulated and controversial article which appeared on the Global Research website titled 'Revelations of German Pilot: Shocking Analysis of the “Shooting Down' of Malaysian MH17. 'Aircraft Was Not Hit by a Missile'. Here’s an excerpt from the article:

“'The facts speak clear and loud and are beyond the realm of speculation: The cockpit shows traces of shelling! You can see the entry and exit holes.'"
Was Malaysia Flight 17 Shot Down CounterPunch Tells the Facts Names the Names

All the evidence is pointing to Putin and his "Three Stooges" rebels across the russian border. You need to read and comprehend and get your nose our of Putin's butt, Comrade.

They said the "most plausible explanation" for the shooting down of the plane was that rebels mistook it for another aircraft.

Evidence included images purportedly showing a surface-to-air missile launcher in the area, analysis of voice recordings of pro-Russian rebels apparently admitting bringing the airliner down and social-media activity pointing to rebel involvement.

The evidence also included satellite images of a facility allegedly used to train rebels near the Russian city of Rostov, which were later tweeted by Geoffrey Pyatt, US ambassador to Ukraine.

In fact, some of the evidence is not pointing toward
Putin, but rather in the direction of US stooges in Kiev:

"The OSCE Mission

"It is worth noting that the initial statements by OSCE observers (July 31) broadly confirm the findings of Peter Haisenko:

"Monitors from the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe reported that shrapnel-like holes were found in two separate pieces of the fuselage of the ill-fated Malaysia Airlines aircraft that was believed to have been downed by a missile in eastern Ukraine.

"Michael Bociurkiw of the OSCE group of monitors at his daily briefing described part of the plane’s fuselage dotted with 'shrapnel-like, almost machine gun-like holes.'

"He said the damage was inspected by Malaysian aviation-security officials .(Wall Street Journal, July 31, 2014)

"The monitoring OSCE team has not found evidence of a missile fired from the ground as conveyed by official White House statements.

"As we recall, the US ambassador to the UN Samantha Power stated –pointing a finger at Russia– that the Malaysian MH17 plane was 'likely downed by a surface-to-air missile operated from a separatist-held location':

All governments lie, and there's no reason so far to believe one instead of the other in this matter.

8220 Support MH17 Truth 8221 OSCE Monitors Identify 8220 Shrapnel and Machine Gun-Like Holes 8221 indicating Shelling. No Evidence of a Missile Attack. Shot Down by a Military Aircraft Global Research

 

[JimH52]

You are trying hard to mislead everyone aren't you Comrade?

Prime Minister Tony Abbott vows to shirtfront Russian president Vladimir Putin at Brisbane G20 summit - ABC News Australian Broadcasting Corporation

 

[georgephillip]

You are trying hard to mislead everyone aren't you Comrade?

Prime Minister Tony Abbott vows to shirtfront Russian president Vladimir Putin at Brisbane G20 summit - ABC News Australian Broadcasting Corporation

You think Tony Abbott isn't misleading you, Gomer?

 

[JimH52]

BBC News - MH17 Malaysia plane crash in Ukraine What we know

We will know soon. The pro-Russians could not steal all the evidence at the site, since it is a 12 mile radius. And Ukraine has invited multiple nations to join the investigation. Hmmmm, seems they don't have anything to hide. Someone will be help accountable.

Why do you assume it's the Russians who are lying in this case when it was US meddling that brought the current government in Kiev to power last winter?
"German pilot and airlines expert, Peter Haisenko, thinks that Malaysia Flight 17 was not blown up by a ground-based antiaircraft missile, but shot down by the type of double-barreled 30-mm guns used on Ukrainian SU-25 fighter planes.

"Haisenko presented his theory in a widely-circulated and controversial article which appeared on the Global Research website titled 'Revelations of German Pilot: Shocking Analysis of the “Shooting Down' of Malaysian MH17. 'Aircraft Was Not Hit by a Missile'. Here’s an excerpt from the article:

“'The facts speak clear and loud and are beyond the realm of speculation: The cockpit shows traces of shelling! You can see the entry and exit holes.'"
Was Malaysia Flight 17 Shot Down CounterPunch Tells the Facts Names the Names

All the evidence is pointing to Putin and his "Three Stooges" rebels across the russian border. You need to read and comprehend and get your nose our of Putin's butt, Comrade.

They said the "most plausible explanation" for the shooting down of the plane was that rebels mistook it for another aircraft.

Evidence included images purportedly showing a surface-to-air missile launcher in the area, analysis of voice recordings of pro-Russian rebels apparently admitting bringing the airliner down and social-media activity pointing to rebel involvement.

The evidence also included satellite images of a facility allegedly used to train rebels near the Russian city of Rostov, which were later tweeted by Geoffrey Pyatt, US ambassador to Ukraine.

In fact, some of the evidence is not pointing toward
Putin, but rather in the direction of US stooges in Kiev:

"The OSCE Mission

"It is worth noting that the initial statements by OSCE observers (July 31) broadly confirm the findings of Peter Haisenko:

"Monitors from the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe reported that shrapnel-like holes were found in two separate pieces of the fuselage of the ill-fated Malaysia Airlines aircraft that was believed to have been downed by a missile in eastern Ukraine.

"Michael Bociurkiw of the OSCE group of monitors at his daily briefing described part of the plane’s fuselage dotted with 'shrapnel-like, almost machine gun-like holes.'

"He said the damage was inspected by Malaysian aviation-security officials .(Wall Street Journal, July 31, 2014)

"The monitoring OSCE team has not found evidence of a missile fired from the ground as conveyed by official White House statements.

"As we recall, the US ambassador to the UN Samantha Power stated –pointing a finger at Russia– that the Malaysian MH17 plane was 'likely downed by a surface-to-air missile operated from a separatist-held location':

All governments lie, and there's no reason so far to believe one instead of the other in this matter.

8220 Support MH17 Truth 8221 OSCE Monitors Identify 8220 Shrapnel and Machine Gun-Like Holes 8221 indicating Shelling. No Evidence of a Missile Attack. Shot Down by a Military Aircraft Global Research

You realized you quoted a rag not worth lining the bird cage with, Comrade? The creator is a truther who lives in the 5th dimension.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Chossudovsky
In 2001, Chossudovsky founded the Centre for Research on Globalisation (CRG), located in Montreal, Canada, becoming its editor and director. It describes itself as being "committed to curbing the tide of globalisation and disarming the new world order".[5] CRG maintains websites in several languages, including the English-language GlobalResearch.ca, which are critical of United States foreign policy and NATO as well as the official explanation of the September 11 attacks in 2001 and the war on terror. In a January 2012 article, he characterized the Free Syrian Army as "a de facto paramilitary creation of NATO."[6] Syrian president Bashar al-Assad e-mailed his father-in-law, Fawaz Akhras, to inquire how true Chossudovsky's claims were.[7] Chossudovsky also claimed that deaths of protesters in the Maidan Square in Kiev were "triggered by Neo-Nazi elements", used "to break the legitimacy of a duly elected government."[8] He is a favoured commentator at Russia Today.[9] His opinion is regularly asked for by Press TV.[10] Chossudovsky is interviewed in the documentary film The Weight of Chains, of which the Centre for Research on Globalisation was one of the sponsors.[11]

 

[georgephillip]

BBC News - MH17 Malaysia plane crash in Ukraine What we know

We will know soon. The pro-Russians could not steal all the evidence at the site, since it is a 12 mile radius. And Ukraine has invited multiple nations to join the investigation. Hmmmm, seems they don't have anything to hide. Someone will be help accountable.

Why do you assume it's the Russians who are lying in this case when it was US meddling that brought the current government in Kiev to power last winter?
"German pilot and airlines expert, Peter Haisenko, thinks that Malaysia Flight 17 was not blown up by a ground-based antiaircraft missile, but shot down by the type of double-barreled 30-mm guns used on Ukrainian SU-25 fighter planes.

"Haisenko presented his theory in a widely-circulated and controversial article which appeared on the Global Research website titled 'Revelations of German Pilot: Shocking Analysis of the “Shooting Down' of Malaysian MH17. 'Aircraft Was Not Hit by a Missile'. Here’s an excerpt from the article:

“'The facts speak clear and loud and are beyond the realm of speculation: The cockpit shows traces of shelling! You can see the entry and exit holes.'"
Was Malaysia Flight 17 Shot Down CounterPunch Tells the Facts Names the Names

All the evidence is pointing to Putin and his "Three Stooges" rebels across the russian border. You need to read and comprehend and get your nose our of Putin's butt, Comrade.

They said the "most plausible explanation" for the shooting down of the plane was that rebels mistook it for another aircraft.

Evidence included images purportedly showing a surface-to-air missile launcher in the area, analysis of voice recordings of pro-Russian rebels apparently admitting bringing the airliner down and social-media activity pointing to rebel involvement.

The evidence also included satellite images of a facility allegedly used to train rebels near the Russian city of Rostov, which were later tweeted by Geoffrey Pyatt, US ambassador to Ukraine.

In fact, some of the evidence is not pointing toward
Putin, but rather in the direction of US stooges in Kiev:

"The OSCE Mission

"It is worth noting that the initial statements by OSCE observers (July 31) broadly confirm the findings of Peter Haisenko:

"Monitors from the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe reported that shrapnel-like holes were found in two separate pieces of the fuselage of the ill-fated Malaysia Airlines aircraft that was believed to have been downed by a missile in eastern Ukraine.

"Michael Bociurkiw of the OSCE group of monitors at his daily briefing described part of the plane’s fuselage dotted with 'shrapnel-like, almost machine gun-like holes.'

"He said the damage was inspected by Malaysian aviation-security officials .(Wall Street Journal, July 31, 2014)

"The monitoring OSCE team has not found evidence of a missile fired from the ground as conveyed by official White House statements.

"As we recall, the US ambassador to the UN Samantha Power stated –pointing a finger at Russia– that the Malaysian MH17 plane was 'likely downed by a surface-to-air missile operated from a separatist-held location':

All governments lie, and there's no reason so far to believe one instead of the other in this matter.

8220 Support MH17 Truth 8221 OSCE Monitors Identify 8220 Shrapnel and Machine Gun-Like Holes 8221 indicating Shelling. No Evidence of a Missile Attack. Shot Down by a Military Aircraft Global Research

You realized you quoted a rag not worth lining the bird cage with, Comrade? The creator is a truther who lives in the 5th dimension.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Chossudovsky
In 2001, Chossudovsky founded the Centre for Research on Globalisation (CRG), located in Montreal, Canada, becoming its editor and director. It describes itself as being "committed to curbing the tide of globalisation and disarming the new world order".[5] CRG maintains websites in several languages, including the English-language GlobalResearch.ca, which are critical of United States foreign policy and NATO as well as the official explanation of the September 11 attacks in 2001 and the war on terror. In a January 2012 article, he characterized the Free Syrian Army as "a de facto paramilitary creation of NATO."[6] Syrian president Bashar al-Assad e-mailed his father-in-law, Fawaz Akhras, to inquire how true Chossudovsky's claims were.[7] Chossudovsky also claimed that deaths of protesters in the Maidan Square in Kiev were "triggered by Neo-Nazi elements", used "to break the legitimacy of a duly elected government."[8] He is a favoured commentator at Russia Today.[9] His opinion is regularly asked for by Press TV.[10] Chossudovsky is interviewed in the documentary film The Weight of Chains, of which the Centre for Research on Globalisation was one of the sponsors.[11]

So, you "think" Abbott's more credible than Chossudovsky?