Russian colonel: ‘Syrian Army has known no military victories’

[Sally]

Let's face ut, If it wasn't for Russia and Iran, Assad would be down the drain.


Russian colonel: ‘Syrian Army has known no military victories’
September 10, 2016 at 4:21 pm | Published in: Middle East, News, Syria

Members of a Syrian anti-regime rebel group, prepare for clashes with Assad regime forces based at Syrian Army Artillery School and military academy in Ramouseh, Aleppo. Image taken on August 2, 2016

September 10, 2016 at 4:21 pm

In a scathing analytical piece published yesterday, a Russian military expert has written that he believes that the Syrian regime lacks the morale and expertise to defeat the armed opposition to President Bashar Al-Assad’s rule.

Writing for the popular Russian language media outlet, Gazeta.ru, retired Colonel Mikhail Khodarenok blasted the Syrian armed forces for shirking their combat duties in order to extort and extract “bribes at checkpoints”.

“The actual fighting against opposition groups is mostly done by Syrian militias, the Lebanese Hezbollah Shia units [and] Iranian and Iraqi volunteers”, Khodarenok said, adding that the Assad regime still does not control “a majority of [Syrian] towns and villages”.

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Russian colonel: ‘Syrian Army has known no military victories’

 

[aris2chat]

but Asaad has managed to killed more syrian civilians than all the others combined

and done trillions in damage to his country

and displaced more than half the population

and now trying to start a war with Israel, on Iranian's urging

 

[Bleipriester]

ISIS-Sally and isis2shit in total Assad´s days are numbered ecstasy. However, the Syrian government has never been existential threated.

 

[Sally]

ISIS-Sally and isis2shit in total Assad´s days are numbered ecstasy. However, the Syrian government has never been existential threated.

I think the pipsqueak should contact this Russian colonel and hash it all out. Meanwhile, I think any reasonable person realizes that if the Russians and Iranians weren't involved in this, the pipsqueak's beloved would be up the creek.

Expert: Assad, Helped by Iran, Ethnically Cleansing Damascus Area of Sunnis?

 

[Bleipriester]

The real fact is that without constant foreign supply and reinforcements for the "rebels", the war would have been over long ago,

 

[Sally]

The real fact is that without constant foreign supply and reinforcements for the "rebels", the war would have been over long ago,

The real fact is that if your boyfriend would have sat down and negotiated instead of having his police shoot down the protesters, the war would never have started.

 

[Bleipriester]

The real fact is that without constant foreign supply and reinforcements for the "rebels", the war would have been over long ago,

The real fact is that if your boyfriend would have sat down and negotiated instead of having his police shoot down the protesters, the war would never have started.

More lies! Its the "opposition" that has ever refused to negotiate.

"Gen. Salim Idris, the commander of the coalition’s military wing known as the Free Syrian Army, said his faction will not take part in the talks and will not stop fighting until Assad is brought down by force."
Syrian opposition splintered ahead of peace talks

 

[Sally]

The real fact is that without constant foreign supply and reinforcements for the "rebels", the war would have been over long ago,

The real fact is that if your boyfriend would have sat down and negotiated instead of having his police shoot down the protesters, the war would never have started.

More lies! Its the "opposition" that has ever refused to negotiate.

"Gen. Salim Idris, the commander of the coalition’s military wing known as the Free Syrian Army, said his faction will not take part in the talks and will not stop fighting until Assad is brought down by force."
Syrian opposition splintered ahead of peace talks

Why not tell us why there had to be a Free Syrian Army in the first place ? Did those protesters have to be gunned down. Now go to bed. It is already Monday in Germany, and every a Little Man needs his sleep.

 

[Bleipriester]

The real fact is that without constant foreign supply and reinforcements for the "rebels", the war would have been over long ago,

The real fact is that if your boyfriend would have sat down and negotiated instead of having his police shoot down the protesters, the war would never have started.

More lies! Its the "opposition" that has ever refused to negotiate.

"Gen. Salim Idris, the commander of the coalition’s military wing known as the Free Syrian Army, said his faction will not take part in the talks and will not stop fighting until Assad is brought down by force."
Syrian opposition splintered ahead of peace talks

Why not tell us why there had to be a Free Syrian Army in the first place ? Did those protesters have to be gunned down. Now go to bed. It is already Monday in Germany, and every a Little Man needs his sleep.

There had to be a "Free Syrian Army" by no means and protesters were not gunned down.

 

[Sally]

The real fact is that without constant foreign supply and reinforcements for the "rebels", the war would have been over long ago,

The real fact is that if your boyfriend would have sat down and negotiated instead of having his police shoot down the protesters, the war would never have started.

More lies! Its the "opposition" that has ever refused to negotiate.

"Gen. Salim Idris, the commander of the coalition’s military wing known as the Free Syrian Army, said his faction will not take part in the talks and will not stop fighting until Assad is brought down by force."
Syrian opposition splintered ahead of peace talks

Why not tell us why there had to be a Free Syrian Army in the first place ? Did those protesters have to be gunned down. Now go to bed. It is already Monday in Germany, and every a Little Man needs his sleep.

There had to be a "Free Syrian Army" by no means and protesters were not gunned down.

Civil uprising phase of the Syrian Civil War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Bleipriester]

Violent protests spread in Syria

March 26, 2011

"Violent anti-government protests were reported in two Syrian towns on Saturday as security forces struggled to contain the uprising in the Ba’athist state long considered one of the Arab region’s most repressive regimes.

As funerals took place of protesters killed on Friday, Ammar Qurabi, an exile in Egypt who heads Syria’s National Organization for Human Rights, said the Ba’ath party office in the coastal city of Latakia was set on fire after being attacked by dozens of people. He told Reuters that security forces killed two protesters in the town during the day.

Another activist said hundreds of protesters in the town were burning tyres and attacking cars and shops, Associated Press reported.

Reuters quoted unnamed officials as saying that five people had been killed in the violence Latakia, although the news agency did not give a timeframe.

Meanwhile Bouthaina Shaaban, a presidential adviser, said demonstrators set fire to a police station and an office of the ruling party in Tafas, 10km north of the southern city of Deraa, the epicentre of the week’s protests.

Residents told Reuters that mourners for Kamal Baradan, who was killed in Deraa on Friday, were among those attacking the buildings.

A number of funerals reportedly took place in villages around Deraa on Saturday but it is unclear how many people died on Friday. Amnesty International said that 55 people have been killed in Deraa since the start of the protests.

The reported violcence came hours after a thousands-strong demonstration in the town of Douma near Damascus was attacked at around midnight after the electricity was suddenly cut, according to activists.

They reportedly said the protesters were attacked by troops with stick and clubs and that some 200 were arested. None of the reports could not be confrmed.

The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, a local group, said on its website on Saturday that the authorities have freed more than 200 prisoners. Other reports said anywhere between 70 and 260 prisoners had been released.

Although video footage of Friday’s protests, posted on YouTube, showed at least some of the crowds to be small, the spread of unrest in Syria at a time of extraordinary upheaval in the Arab world is the most serious domestic challenge to Bashar al-Assad since he inherited the presidency in 2000.

Over the past week, the protests have been largely confined to the southern town of Deraa and have been harshly met with a crackdown that left dozens of people dead. But on Friday unrest erupted in several other cities across the country of 21m people, as crowds answered a Facebook group call for a march in support of freedom and the victims of Deraa.

“God, Syria and Freedom only,” chanted protesters, vowing to “sacrifice for Deraa”.

Police were accused of shooting at demonstrators in the southern town of Sanamein, where people were seeking to march to Deraa. Residents said 20 people were killed when gunmen opened fire on a crowd outside a building used by military intelligence -- part of an extensive security apparatus that has protected Baath party rule since 1963.

This was disputed by government officials who said protesters shot first and that security forces had killed armed attackers who tried to storm the building.

Regime supporters, who took to the streets in the capital Damascus, were also reported to have clashed with anti-regime demonstrators.

There were reports of many deaths, including in the capital Damascus. A government official confirmed that at least 10 protesters had died, reports BBC, although witnesses said up to 20 people had been killed.

In Washington, a White House spokesman said: “We strongly condemn the Syrian government’s attempts to repress and intimidate demonstrators.”

Nadim Houri, a researcher at New York-based Human Rights Watch, said: “There are cases of violent dispersal of protests [across Syria] including use of live bullets.”

In Deraa, where residents buried their dead, security forces reduced their presence and allowed a march early on Friday. But before the end of the day gunfire could be heard after a statue of the late president Hafez al-Assad, the current leader’s father, was set on fire, residents told human rights activists.

“Syria is at what is rapidly becoming a defining moment for its leadership,” said the International Crisis Group think-tank. “There are only two options. One involves an immediate and inevitably risky political initiative that might convince the Syrian people that the regime is willing to undertake dramatic reform. The other entails escalating repression, which has every chance of leading to a bloody and ignominious end.”

As an ally of Iran and fierce critic of Israel, Syria is a strategic player in Middle East politics and has been pressing for the return of the Golan Heights, occupied by Israel in 1967.

Freedom appeared to be the main demand. But news agencies said demonstrators were also taking aim at Mr Assad’s family. Protesters in Tel, outside Damascus, called the president’s relatives “thieves” and those in Deraa vented anger against Maher al-Assad, the president’s brother who heads the Republican Guard. President Assad leads a minority Alawite regime in a mostly Sunni nation.

Al-Arabiya news channel quoted Muhsin Bilal, Syria’s information minister, as saying: “The situation is completely calm in all parts of the country.”"

Violent protests spread in Syria - FT.com

 

[Sally]

Violent protests spread in Syria

March 26, 2011

"Violent anti-government protests were reported in two Syrian towns on Saturday as security forces struggled to contain the uprising in the Ba’athist state long considered one of the Arab region’s most repressive regimes.

As funerals took place of protesters killed on Friday, Ammar Qurabi, an exile in Egypt who heads Syria’s National Organization for Human Rights, said the Ba’ath party office in the coastal city of Latakia was set on fire after being attacked by dozens of people. He told Reuters that security forces killed two protesters in the town during the day.

Another activist said hundreds of protesters in the town were burning tyres and attacking cars and shops, Associated Press reported.

Reuters quoted unnamed officials as saying that five people had been killed in the violence Latakia, although the news agency did not give a timeframe.

Meanwhile Bouthaina Shaaban, a presidential adviser, said demonstrators set fire to a police station and an office of the ruling party in Tafas, 10km north of the southern city of Deraa, the epicentre of the week’s protests.

Residents told Reuters that mourners for Kamal Baradan, who was killed in Deraa on Friday, were among those attacking the buildings.

A number of funerals reportedly took place in villages around Deraa on Saturday but it is unclear how many people died on Friday. Amnesty International said that 55 people have been killed in Deraa since the start of the protests.

The reported violcence came hours after a thousands-strong demonstration in the town of Douma near Damascus was attacked at around midnight after the electricity was suddenly cut, according to activists.

They reportedly said the protesters were attacked by troops with stick and clubs and that some 200 were arested. None of the reports could not be confrmed.

The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, a local group, said on its website on Saturday that the authorities have freed more than 200 prisoners. Other reports said anywhere between 70 and 260 prisoners had been released.

Although video footage of Friday’s protests, posted on YouTube, showed at least some of the crowds to be small, the spread of unrest in Syria at a time of extraordinary upheaval in the Arab world is the most serious domestic challenge to Bashar al-Assad since he inherited the presidency in 2000.

Over the past week, the protests have been largely confined to the southern town of Deraa and have been harshly met with a crackdown that left dozens of people dead. But on Friday unrest erupted in several other cities across the country of 21m people, as crowds answered a Facebook group call for a march in support of freedom and the victims of Deraa.

“God, Syria and Freedom only,” chanted protesters, vowing to “sacrifice for Deraa”.

Police were accused of shooting at demonstrators in the southern town of Sanamein, where people were seeking to march to Deraa. Residents said 20 people were killed when gunmen opened fire on a crowd outside a building used by military intelligence -- part of an extensive security apparatus that has protected Baath party rule since 1963.

This was disputed by government officials who said protesters shot first and that security forces had killed armed attackers who tried to storm the building.

Regime supporters, who took to the streets in the capital Damascus, were also reported to have clashed with anti-regime demonstrators.

There were reports of many deaths, including in the capital Damascus. A government official confirmed that at least 10 protesters had died, reports BBC, although witnesses said up to 20 people had been killed.

In Washington, a White House spokesman said: “We strongly condemn the Syrian government’s attempts to repress and intimidate demonstrators.”

Nadim Houri, a researcher at New York-based Human Rights Watch, said: “There are cases of violent dispersal of protests [across Syria] including use of live bullets.”

In Deraa, where residents buried their dead, security forces reduced their presence and allowed a march early on Friday. But before the end of the day gunfire could be heard after a statue of the late president Hafez al-Assad, the current leader’s father, was set on fire, residents told human rights activists.

“Syria is at what is rapidly becoming a defining moment for its leadership,” said the International Crisis Group think-tank. “There are only two options. One involves an immediate and inevitably risky political initiative that might convince the Syrian people that the regime is willing to undertake dramatic reform. The other entails escalating repression, which has every chance of leading to a bloody and ignominious end.”

As an ally of Iran and fierce critic of Israel, Syria is a strategic player in Middle East politics and has been pressing for the return of the Golan Heights, occupied by Israel in 1967.

Freedom appeared to be the main demand. But news agencies said demonstrators were also taking aim at Mr Assad’s family. Protesters in Tel, outside Damascus, called the president’s relatives “thieves” and those in Deraa vented anger against Maher al-Assad, the president’s brother who heads the Republican Guard. President Assad leads a minority Alawite regime in a mostly Sunni nation.

Al-Arabiya news channel quoted Muhsin Bilal, Syria’s information minister, as saying: “The situation is completely calm in all parts of the country.”"

Violent protests spread in Syria - FT.com

You can pull up whatever you want, but there were eyewitnesses to these peaceful protests. Perhaps if the police didn't gun the people down, there wouldn't be he mess in Syria that there is now.

 

[Bleipriester]

Violent protests spread in Syria

March 26, 2011

"Violent anti-government protests were reported in two Syrian towns on Saturday as security forces struggled to contain the uprising in the Ba’athist state long considered one of the Arab region’s most repressive regimes.

As funerals took place of protesters killed on Friday, Ammar Qurabi, an exile in Egypt who heads Syria’s National Organization for Human Rights, said the Ba’ath party office in the coastal city of Latakia was set on fire after being attacked by dozens of people. He told Reuters that security forces killed two protesters in the town during the day.

Another activist said hundreds of protesters in the town were burning tyres and attacking cars and shops, Associated Press reported.

Reuters quoted unnamed officials as saying that five people had been killed in the violence Latakia, although the news agency did not give a timeframe.

Meanwhile Bouthaina Shaaban, a presidential adviser, said demonstrators set fire to a police station and an office of the ruling party in Tafas, 10km north of the southern city of Deraa, the epicentre of the week’s protests.

Residents told Reuters that mourners for Kamal Baradan, who was killed in Deraa on Friday, were among those attacking the buildings.

A number of funerals reportedly took place in villages around Deraa on Saturday but it is unclear how many people died on Friday. Amnesty International said that 55 people have been killed in Deraa since the start of the protests.

The reported violcence came hours after a thousands-strong demonstration in the town of Douma near Damascus was attacked at around midnight after the electricity was suddenly cut, according to activists.

They reportedly said the protesters were attacked by troops with stick and clubs and that some 200 were arested. None of the reports could not be confrmed.

The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, a local group, said on its website on Saturday that the authorities have freed more than 200 prisoners. Other reports said anywhere between 70 and 260 prisoners had been released.

Although video footage of Friday’s protests, posted on YouTube, showed at least some of the crowds to be small, the spread of unrest in Syria at a time of extraordinary upheaval in the Arab world is the most serious domestic challenge to Bashar al-Assad since he inherited the presidency in 2000.

Over the past week, the protests have been largely confined to the southern town of Deraa and have been harshly met with a crackdown that left dozens of people dead. But on Friday unrest erupted in several other cities across the country of 21m people, as crowds answered a Facebook group call for a march in support of freedom and the victims of Deraa.

“God, Syria and Freedom only,” chanted protesters, vowing to “sacrifice for Deraa”.

Police were accused of shooting at demonstrators in the southern town of Sanamein, where people were seeking to march to Deraa. Residents said 20 people were killed when gunmen opened fire on a crowd outside a building used by military intelligence -- part of an extensive security apparatus that has protected Baath party rule since 1963.

This was disputed by government officials who said protesters shot first and that security forces had killed armed attackers who tried to storm the building.

Regime supporters, who took to the streets in the capital Damascus, were also reported to have clashed with anti-regime demonstrators.

There were reports of many deaths, including in the capital Damascus. A government official confirmed that at least 10 protesters had died, reports BBC, although witnesses said up to 20 people had been killed.

In Washington, a White House spokesman said: “We strongly condemn the Syrian government’s attempts to repress and intimidate demonstrators.”

Nadim Houri, a researcher at New York-based Human Rights Watch, said: “There are cases of violent dispersal of protests [across Syria] including use of live bullets.”

In Deraa, where residents buried their dead, security forces reduced their presence and allowed a march early on Friday. But before the end of the day gunfire could be heard after a statue of the late president Hafez al-Assad, the current leader’s father, was set on fire, residents told human rights activists.

“Syria is at what is rapidly becoming a defining moment for its leadership,” said the International Crisis Group think-tank. “There are only two options. One involves an immediate and inevitably risky political initiative that might convince the Syrian people that the regime is willing to undertake dramatic reform. The other entails escalating repression, which has every chance of leading to a bloody and ignominious end.”

As an ally of Iran and fierce critic of Israel, Syria is a strategic player in Middle East politics and has been pressing for the return of the Golan Heights, occupied by Israel in 1967.

Freedom appeared to be the main demand. But news agencies said demonstrators were also taking aim at Mr Assad’s family. Protesters in Tel, outside Damascus, called the president’s relatives “thieves” and those in Deraa vented anger against Maher al-Assad, the president’s brother who heads the Republican Guard. President Assad leads a minority Alawite regime in a mostly Sunni nation.

Al-Arabiya news channel quoted Muhsin Bilal, Syria’s information minister, as saying: “The situation is completely calm in all parts of the country.”"

Violent protests spread in Syria - FT.com

You can pull up whatever you want, but there were eyewitnesses to these peaceful protests. Perhaps if the police didn't gun the people down, there wouldn't be he mess in Syria that there is now.

Of course, we all know there were also peaceful protests. But they were not gunned down. Instead, their demands were implemented by the government.

However, the ones behind the protests were coordinating with the Nato and the government´s moves were described as "useless". So why demand something and call it useless then?
Syria protests: Bashar al-Assad lifts emergency law - BBC News

In the protests the Islamist proxies of your regime started to fire at protesters and security personell in order to provoke the inevitable government reaction which was and still is presented by media as crackdown on peaceful demonstrators. Clashes were reported by AI, not protests:
State TV says Syrian military starts to leave Daraa

What western media never picked up were pro government rallies. Here, watch some:

 

[irosie91]

but Asaad has managed to killed more syrian civilians than all the others combined

and done trillions in damage to his country

and displaced more than half the population

and now trying to start a war with Israel, on Iranian's urging

do you really believe that with ALL his problems that Assad wants to start UP WITH ISRAEL? From a strategic POV it
might be very advantageous to him-----he could draw Iran and
Russia into the fray. I, actually, cannot think of any negatives for him-------so the point that I think it is INEVITABLE-----he is not going to go down without engaging
in the "war with Israel" as a last ditch effort

 

[Bleipriester]

but Asaad has managed to killed more syrian civilians than all the others combined

and done trillions in damage to his country

and displaced more than half the population

and now trying to start a war with Israel, on Iranian's urging

do you really believe that with ALL his problems that Assad wants to start UP WITH ISRAEL? From a strategic POV it
might be very advantageous to him-----he could draw Iran and
Russia into the fray. I, actually, cannot think of any negatives for him-------so the point that I think it is INEVITABLE-----he is not going to go down without engaging
in the "war with Israel" as a last ditch effort

BS

 

[irosie91]

but Asaad has managed to killed more syrian civilians than all the others combined

and done trillions in damage to his country

and displaced more than half the population

and now trying to start a war with Israel, on Iranian's urging

do you really believe that with ALL his problems that Assad wants to start UP WITH ISRAEL? From a strategic POV it
might be very advantageous to him-----he could draw Iran and
Russia into the fray. I, actually, cannot think of any negatives for him-------so the point that I think it is INEVITABLE-----he is not going to go down without engaging
in the "war with Israel" as a last ditch effort

BS

wait and watch Captain Bleigh -----the call to ----DESTROY DA JOOOOOS is the inevitable swan song of ASSAD

 

[aris2chat]

but Asaad has managed to killed more syrian civilians than all the others combined

and done trillions in damage to his country

and displaced more than half the population

and now trying to start a war with Israel, on Iranian's urging

do you really believe that with ALL his problems that Assad wants to start UP WITH ISRAEL? From a strategic POV it
might be very advantageous to him-----he could draw Iran and
Russia into the fray. I, actually, cannot think of any negatives for him-------so the point that I think it is INEVITABLE-----he is not going to go down without engaging
in the "war with Israel" as a last ditch effort

It will give him a legitimacy to unite his country and the region behind him and against Israel.
Don't watch the man behind the curtain (assad killing his own people), just what is happening on stage (the puppet waging war on Israel, for iran). Like magic trick. This while many are warming to Israel and trade for technology especially in water and security management.

This is familiar pattern both with syria, in lebanon, and with groups like MB in Egypt.

It undercuts groups like FSA, kurds, saudi, jordan, egypt and democratic groups in africa as well as other countries that trades with Israel that also has growing muslim populations

No matter how much syria might be hated, it is an arab/muslim country and Israel is the "ultimate" enemy among many groups..........the enemy of my enemy...

 

[irosie91]

but Asaad has managed to killed more syrian civilians than all the others combined

and done trillions in damage to his country

and displaced more than half the population

and now trying to start a war with Israel, on Iranian's urging

do you really believe that with ALL his problems that Assad wants to start UP WITH ISRAEL? From a strategic POV it
might be very advantageous to him-----he could draw Iran and
Russia into the fray. I, actually, cannot think of any negatives for him-------so the point that I think it is INEVITABLE-----he is not going to go down without engaging
in the "war with Israel" as a last ditch effort

It will give him a legitimacy to unite his country and the region behind him and against Israel.
Don't watch the man behind the curtain (assad killing his own people), just what is happening on stage (the puppet waging war on Israel, for iran). Like magic trick. This while many are warming to Israel and trade for technology especially in water and security management.

This is familiar pattern both with syria, in lebanon, and with groups like MB in Egypt.

It undercuts groups like FSA, kurds, saudi, jordan, egypt and democratic groups in africa as well as other countries that trades with Israel that also has growing muslim populations

No matter how much syria might be hated, it is an arab/muslim country and Israel is the "ultimate" enemy among many groups..........the enemy of my enemy...

oh gee------well------so I kinda thought

 

[Bleipriester]

but Asaad has managed to killed more syrian civilians than all the others combined

and done trillions in damage to his country

and displaced more than half the population

and now trying to start a war with Israel, on Iranian's urging

do you really believe that with ALL his problems that Assad wants to start UP WITH ISRAEL? From a strategic POV it
might be very advantageous to him-----he could draw Iran and
Russia into the fray. I, actually, cannot think of any negatives for him-------so the point that I think it is INEVITABLE-----he is not going to go down without engaging
in the "war with Israel" as a last ditch effort

BS

wait and watch Captain Bleigh -----the call to ----DESTROY DA JOOOOOS is the inevitable swan song of ASSAD

The eternal victim. With what military equipment is Assad going to attack the well equipped IDF? In fact, an Israeli invasion is not impossible as their terrorists fail to beat the SAA.

 

[irosie91]

but Asaad has managed to killed more syrian civilians than all the others combined

and done trillions in damage to his country

and displaced more than half the population

and now trying to start a war with Israel, on Iranian's urging

do you really believe that with ALL his problems that Assad wants to start UP WITH ISRAEL? From a strategic POV it
might be very advantageous to him-----he could draw Iran and
Russia into the fray. I, actually, cannot think of any negatives for him-------so the point that I think it is INEVITABLE-----he is not going to go down without engaging
in the "war with Israel" as a last ditch effort

BS

wait and watch Captain Bleigh -----the call to ----DESTROY DA JOOOOOS is the inevitable swan song of ASSAD

The eternal victim. With what military equipment is Assad going to attack the well equipped IDF? In fact, an Israeli invasion is not impossible as their terrorists fail to beat the SAA.

to what Israeli terrorists do you refer that "fail to beat the SAA" ???. What did Assad do to the well equipped Syrian army AND the VERY WELL equipped Hezbollah and the fantastically equipped Russian army?