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Don't put words in my mouth, Willow. This is a case of provocation if there was one. The entire idea behind this missile system is to protect Poland from.... Iran? Iran doesn't have any technology that could reach Israel. Why the hell do you intend to build a massive anti-missile system in Poland when Iran can't reach Poland? Doing this is provoking Russia, which doesn't need to be provoked. So yes, this is the US being bad. I love my country, but the First Amendment gives me the right to criticize this country when she's wrong. And it is not unpatriotic to criticize my country at all. The United States is clearly provoking Russia in this case.
ahhhhhhhhhhh 1980 build t-80's are coming to invade us.
Russia military= now what it's cracked up to be
The bigger picture is that many Latin American countries have turned Socialist.
They're teaming up with Iran and Russia who are our enemies. I wonder if they think they can take us from the southern border if they work as one force? Our politicians keep selling our Sovereignty to the highest bidders. The U.S. will no longer be able to stand on her own two feet because she is financially broke. We borrow money from China and other foreign countries to run the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and prop up the National Budget.
Tell DavidS we should stop "defending" Israel and see how well he takes it. But of course THAT is different.
The only way a missile DEFENSE system is a threat is if the Russians intended to use missiles to blackmail or attack Poland or Europe. Defense units are not offensive they can not be used to attack anyone, all they do is shoot down INCOMING missiles. If Russia has no intent to shoot any missiles how is it a threat to them?
ahhhhhhhhhhh 1980 build t-80's are coming to invade us.
Russia military= now what it's cracked up to be
They obliterated Georgia's military which was being trained by US and Israeli soldiers.
Its not the T-80s (or more accurately T-90s and Black Eagles) that I am worried about:
As of June 2008, the Russian strategic forces included 667 strategic delivery platforms, which can carry up to 3070 nuclear warheads. The Strategic Rocket Forces have 415 operational missile systems of four types that can carry 1575 warheads. The strategic fleet includes 14 strategic missile submarines. Their 173 missiles can carry 611 nuclear warheads. Strategic aviation bomber force consists of 79 bombers that can carry up to 884 long-range cruise missiles. In October 2008 the space-based tier of the early warning system included four satellites that appear operational--two on highly elliptical orbits and two on a geostationary orbit.
To put it another way, with a 50% failure rate, Russia could still wipe out every city with a population over 10,000 in the western hemisphere. Just because the cold war is over doesnt meet that the Russians cant still destroy civilization as we know it.
It's always the US who is bad huh David?
Tell DavidS we should stop "defending" Israel and see how well he takes it. But of course THAT is different.
The only way a missile DEFENSE system is a threat is if the Russians intended to use missiles to blackmail or attack Poland or Europe. Defense units are not offensive they can not be used to attack anyone, all they do is shoot down INCOMING missiles. If Russia has no intent to shoot any missiles how is it a threat to them?
So then you wouldn't have any problem with Russia building an anti-missile system in Cuba?
No one seems to be answering my question. Why is the US building an anti-missile system in Poland to defend against Iranian missiles when Iran doesn't have any missiles that could reach Poland?
I'll give you the answer. Because the US *isn't* putting just an anti-missile system in Poland to defend against Iran. They're putting it there as a direct challenge to Russia. They're antagonizing Russia.
Take pride how strong we are, it is nothing to be ashamed of.
It's not meant to defend poland you idiot. It is meant to defend and American Ally or INTREST in the region.
Not just poland.
lol and now we lost in Iraq?
Turbo thats fine,
but dude it would never come down to that
MAD
Mutally Assured Destruction
We could take out the world just as much and with more accuracy then they can.
The only way this war blows up from Nukes is if terrorists get their hands on them, not from industrialized countries going to war with each other. There will always be a limit.
Do you see that blue area that says "IRAN" move your eyes to the left some to that little tiny country in purple in between Egypt and Jordan. It's called Israel. Iran doesn't have any technology currently that can reach Israel.
I am not so sure of that, through the 70s and 80s we were not a match (at least quantitatively) for the Soviets so NATO planners had always expected a general war in Europe to go nuclear within the first 72 hours. It was the only card we had to play if the Soviets came charging through the Fulda Gap.
It seems to me that Russian planning today would take a similar course considering how outmatched they are by the west in terms of conventional weapons. By deploying a missile shield we (NATO) are threatening to take away Russias only effective defense against an invasion from the West and that is a destabilizing move. In international brinksmanship there is always the threat of Mutually Assured Destruction but, by introducing a system to limit one sides ability to effectively retaliate, there is an incentive to use weapons before they are rendered ineffective.
I know to the majority of Americans this isnt seen a big deal as we all know there is no intention on the part of the US or Germany or Poland to invade Russia. Unfortunately (but understandably) the Russian experience of WW II is ever present in the Russian world view. Stalin was absolutely convinced that the Germans were close allies up to (and a little after) the initiation of Barbarossa.
yes, you're a fucking reatrd.
Iran has developed the Shihab-3 Missile.
They can reach up to 1200 miles now!
Shahab-3 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The distance between Tabriz Iran, and Rzeszow, poland is 1400 miles. they could hit the south eastern tip of poland with this missle. They could also very easily hit (GASP) Isreal!
So stop with your nonsense they cant hit Isreal, yes they can hit Isreal.
European Missile Defense: Assessing Iran?s ICBM Capabilities | Arms Control Association
In 1999 and 2001, the National Intelligence Council stated that Iran could develop an ICBM capable of reaching the United States by 2015. In recent years, U.S. government agencies have affirmed those estimates, arguing that Iran could have long-range missiles capable of reaching the U.S. and Europe before 2015 and that proposed U.S. missile defense assets in Europe would defend the U.S. and much of Europe against long-range ballistic missile threats launched from the Middle East.[1] Accordingly, Washington intends to build a missile defense system in Europe by around 2012.
Just because they can't hit the targets yet doesn't mean they aren't working on it.
Thats you being reactive instead of proactive, you want to respond when something happens. Well there are many that choose to plan to prevent it.
Please go down to the store and buy yourself a clue
