Russia Threatens to electronically hamper U.S. missile defense facilityies in Poland

[Sovereignty]

Excerpt:

Medvedev: Russia to Deploy Missiles in Response to U.S. Missile Shield

Wednesday, November 05, 2008

Russian President Dmitry Medvedev

MOSCOW — Russia will deploy missiles near NATO member Poland in response to U.S. missile defense plans, President Dmitry Medvedev said Wednesday in his first state of the nation speech.

Medvedev also singled out the United States for criticism, casting Russia's war with Georgia in August and the global financial turmoil as consequences of aggressive, selfish U.S. policies.

The president said the Iskander missiles will be deployed to Russia's Kaliningrad region, which lies between Poland and the ex-Soviet republic of Lithuania on the Baltic Sea, but did not say how many would be used. Equipment to electronically hamper the operation of prospective U.S. missile defense facilities in Poland and the Czech Republic will be deployed, he said.

Medvedev: Russia to Deploy Missiles He did not say whether the short-range Iskander missiles would be fitted with nuclear warheads and it was not clear exactly when the missiles would be deployed.

"Mechanisms must be created to block mistaken, egoistical and sometimes simply dangerous decisions of certain members of the international community," he said shortly after starting the 85-minute speech, making it clear he was referring to the United States.

The president said Georgia sparked the August war on its territory with what he called "barbaric aggression" against Russian-backed South Ossetia. The conflict "was, among other things, the result of the arrogant course of the American administration, which did not tolerate criticism and preferred unilateral decisions."

Medvedev also painted Russia as a country threatened by growing Western military might. He announced deployment of the short-range missiles as a military response to U.S. plans to deploy missile-defense facilities in Poland and the Czech Republic — former Soviet satellites that are now NATO members.

Tension in Russian-American relations has been driven to a post-Cold War high by Moscow's war with U.S. ally Georgia.

The proposals were Medvedev's first major initiative to amend the constitution since he was elected in March to succeed his longtime mentor Vladimir Putin.

Putin, who is now prime minister and has not ruled out a return to the Kremlin in the future, has favored increasing the presidential term.

Source:
Fox News
FOXNews.com - Medvedev: Russia to Deploy Missiles in Response to U.S. Missile Shield - International News | News of the World | Middle East News | Europe News

 

[Sovereignty]

ALL EYES ON RUSSIA!

EXCERPT:

Accident on Russian nuclear sub suffocates 20

The victims suffocated after the submarine's fire-extinguishing system released Freon gas, forensic tests found Freon in the victims' lungs. Seventeen civilians and three seamen died in the accident and 21 others were hospitalized after being evacuated to shore, none of the injuries were life-threatening.
"The submarine's nuclear reactor was operating normally and radiation levels were normal, the accident affected two sections of the submarine closest to the bow.

Saturday's accident came as the Kremlin is seeking to restore Russia's naval reach, part of a drive to show off the nuclear-armed country's clout amid strained ties with the West. A naval squadron is heading to Venezuela for joint exercises this month in a show of force near U.S. waters.

SOURCE:
Yahoo News Accident on Russian nuclear sub suffocates 20 - Yahoo! News

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EXCERPT:

Russian Navy Ships Head to Maneuvers in Venezuela
Russian navy ships sail to Venezuela for joint maneuvers in latest sign of US-Russian tensions

September 22, 2008 (AP)

A Russian navy squadron set off for Venezuela Monday, an official said, in a deployment of Russian military power to the Western Hemisphere unprecedented since the Cold War.

The Pyotr Velikiy, Peter the Great, Russian nuclear-powered missile cruiser seen in the Barents Sea, Russia, , The Peter the Great cruiser accompanied by three other ships of Russia's Northern Fleet was to sail from their base in Severomorsk Sunday on a cruise which will include a joint exercise with the Venezuelan Navy

The Kremlin recently has moved to intensify contacts with Venezuela, Cuba and other Latin American nations amid increasingly strained relations with Washington after last month's war between Russia and Georgia. During the Cold War, Latin America became an ideological battleground between the Soviet Union and the United States.

The nuclear-powered Peter the Great cruiser accompanied by three other ships sailed from the Northern Fleet's base of Severomorsk on Monday. The ships will cover about 15,000 nautical miles to conduct joint maneuvers with the Venezuelan navy.

The deployment follows a week long visit to Venezuela by a pair of Russian strategic bombers. The intensifying contacts with Venezuela appear to be a response to the U.S. dispatch of warships to deliver aid to Georgia which angered the Kremlin.

President of Venezuela Hugo Chavez said, Latin America needs a strong friendship with Russia to help reduce U.S. influence and keep peace in the region. Chavez has repeatedly warned that the U.S. Navy poses a threat to Venezuela.

Russia has signed weapons contracts worth more than $4 billion with Venezuela since 2005 to supply fighter jets, helicopters, and 100,000 Kalashnikov assault rifles. Chavez's government is in talks to buy Russian submarines, air defense systems and armored vehicles and more Sukhoi fighter jets.

SOURCE:
ABC NEWS
ABC News: Russian Navy Ships Head to Maneuvers in Venezuela

 

[DavidS]

Again, we're taking a baseball bat to a hive of Africanized Killer Bees. We're pissing off a country that's coming out of a depression, seemed to have strenghtened its economy which is now on the verge of collapse again. The only way to keep the Russian's attention off of their own matters is to instigate something with the US - and we're giving them plenty of ammunition. NO MISSILE DEFENSE SHIELD FOR POLAND!

 

[WillowTree]

It's always the US who is bad huh David?

 

[jaded110]

It's always the US who is bad huh David?

We're already in a war with Iraq and Afghanistan that's turned into a complete trainwreck, we do not need one with Russia.

 

[Vel]

Again, we're taking a baseball bat to a hive of Africanized Killer Bees. We're pissing off a country that's coming out of a depression, seemed to have strenghtened its economy which is now on the verge of collapse again. The only way to keep the Russian's attention off of their own matters is to instigate something with the US - and we're giving them plenty of ammunition. NO MISSILE DEFENSE SHIELD FOR POLAND!

Hmm.. Seems to me that people that would post such as the above were the same people that allowed others to relieve them of their milk money in grade school.

 

[Sovereignty]

The bigger picture is that many Latin American countries have turned Socialist. They're teaming up with Iran and Russia who are our enemies. I wonder if they think they can take us from the southern border if they work as one force? Our politicians keep selling our Sovereignty to the highest bidders. The U.S. will no longer be able to stand on her own two feet because she is financially broke. We borrow money from China and other foreign countries to run the wars in Afhganistan and Iraq and prop up the National Budget.

I was watching C-SPAN one day and Hugo Chavez, President of Venezuela and the President of Iran were hugging each other and pledging, they were going to unite and help keep America from World Domination.

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• U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement investigations have revealed that aliens were smuggled from the Middle East to staging areas in Central and South America, before being smuggled illegally into the United States.

• Members of Hezbollah have already entered the United States across the Southwest border.

• U.S. military and intelligence officials believe that Venezuela is emerging as a potential hub of terrorism in the Western Hemisphere. The Venezuelan government is issuing identity documents that could subsequently be used to obtain a U.S. visa and enter the country.

SOURCE:

Department of Homeland Security Report:
A Line In The Sand: Confronting The Threat At The Southwest Border.
http://www.house.gov/mccaul/pdf/Inve...der-Report.pdf

 

[DavidS]

It's always the US who is bad huh David?

Don't put words in my mouth, Willow. This is a case of provocation if there was one. The entire idea behind this missile system is to protect Poland from.... Iran? Iran doesn't have any technology that could reach Israel. Why the hell do you intend to build a massive anti-missile system in Poland when Iran can't reach Poland? Doing this is provoking Russia, which doesn't need to be provoked. So yes, this is the US being bad. I love my country, but the First Amendment gives me the right to criticize this country when she's wrong. And it is not unpatriotic to criticize my country at all. The United States is clearly provoking Russia in this case.

 

[elvis]

Don't put words in my mouth, Willow. This is a case of provocation if there was one. The entire idea behind this missile system is to protect Poland from.... Iran? Iran doesn't have any technology that could reach Israel. Why the hell do you intend to build a massive anti-missile system in Poland when Iran can't reach Poland? Doing this is provoking Russia, which doesn't need to be provoked. So yes, this is the US being bad. I love my country, but the First Amendment gives me the right to criticize this country when she's wrong. And it is not unpatriotic to criticize my country at all. The United States is clearly provoking Russia in this case.

How much of the Missile shield is related to Russia's dealings with Venezuela? Venezuela defied the Monroe Doctrine by not following orders from the US.

 

[DavidS]

How much of the Missile shield is related to Russia's dealings with Venezuela? Venezuela defied the Monroe Doctrine by not following orders from the US.

Wtf does Venuezuela have to do with Poland or the entire purpose of this thread which was about a missile defense system in Poland? You want to talk about Hugo Chavez and Venuezuela, take it to another thread.

 

[elvis]

Wtf does Venuezuela have to do with Poland or the entire purpose of this thread which was about a missile defense system in Poland? You want to talk about Hugo Chavez and Venuezuela, take it to another thread.

Poland and Venezuela have a lot to do with US-Russian relations. They are two things that have soured relations between the two countries. Are you that stupid you can't understand that?

And I'll post on any Goddamned thread I want.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Poland and Venezuela have a lot to do with US-Russian relations. They are two things that have soured relations between the two countries. Are you that stupid you can't understand that?

And I'll post on any Goddamned thread I want.

Tell DavidS we should stop "defending" Israel and see how well he takes it. But of course THAT is different.

The only way a missile DEFENSE system is a threat is if the Russians intended to use missiles to blackmail or attack Poland or Europe. Defense units are not offensive they can not be used to attack anyone, all they do is shoot down INCOMING missiles. If Russia has no intent to shoot any missiles how is it a threat to them?

 

[elvis]

Tell DavidS we should stop "defending" Israel and see how well he takes it. But of course THAT is different.

The only way a missile DEFENSE system is a threat is if the Russians intended to use missiles to blackmail or attack Poland or Europe. Defense units are not offensive they can not be used to attack anyone, all they do is shoot down INCOMING missiles. If Russia has no intent to shoot any missiles how is it a threat to them?

We should stop defending Israel. We should take all 200 of their nuclear weapons back, as well as the 100 jet bombers we gave them to bomb Iran with. In fact, we should take back every piece of military equipment we've ever given them. Then people like DavidS wouldn't be so damned arrogant. Why? Because without the US, the Israelis would be driven into the Mediterranean.

 

[editec]

How much of the Missile shield is related to Russia's dealings with Venezuela? Venezuela defied the Monroe Doctrine by not following orders from the US.

The Monroe Doctrine declared that the USA will not tolerate fruther colonialization from European powers in the Western Hemishere, Elvis.

If you are under the impression that it makes the the Western Hemisphere an American protectorate, and that the sovereignty of other WH nations is at the pleasure of the United States, you are mistaken.

It wasn't the Monroe doctrine which forced Soviet Missles out of Cuba, it was the threat of a full scale nuclear war that did that.

As to those missles in Poland?

Right now it's probably not a wise decision to place them there.

The only purpose they serve is to threaten Russia.

If tht is their purpose, I don't understand why we want to do that.

Either something is happening behind the scenes that we are not aware of, or Bush II is once again being a idiot.

 

[DavidS]

The Monroe Doctrine declared that the USA will not tolerate fruther colonialization from European powers in the Western Hemishere, Elvis.

If you are under the impression that it makes the the Western Hemisphere an American protectorate, and that the sovereignty of other WH nations is at the pleasure of the United States, you are mistaken.

It wasn't the Monroe doctrine which forced Soviet Missles out of Cuba, it was the threat of a full scale nuclear war that did that.

As to those missles in Poland?

Right now it's probably not a wise decision to place them there.

The only purpose they serve is to threaten Russia.

If tht is their purpose, I don't understand why we want to do that.

Either something is happening behind the scenes that we are not aware of, or Bush II is once again being a idiot.

Once again? SHOCK! You mean to tell me Bush has been an idiot before??

 

[elvis]

The Monroe Doctrine declared that the USA will not tolerate fruther colonialization from European powers in the Western Hemishere, Elvis.

If you are under the impression that it makes the the Western Hemisphere an American protectorate, and that the sovereignty of other WH nations is at the pleasure of the United States, you are mistaken.

It wasn't the Monroe doctrine which forced Soviet Missles out of Cuba, it was the threat of a full scale nuclear war that did that.

As to those missles in Poland?

Right now it's probably not a wise decision to place them there.

The only purpose they serve is to threaten Russia.

If tht is their purpose, I don't understand why we want to do that.

Either something is happening behind the scenes that we are not aware of, or Bush II is once again being a idiot.

I don't think the Monroe Doctrine makes the Western Hemisphere an American Protectorate. American Presidents have used it in the past to enforce their will on other nations. The Monroe Doctrine didn't remove the missiles from Cuba, but it (or Kennedy's version of it) was partly responsible for them being there.

 

[WillowTree]

We're already in a war with Iraq and Afghanistan that's turned into a complete trainwreck, we do not need one with Russia.

we have never in our entire history needed to have a war.

 

[editec]

I don't think the Monroe Doctrine makes the Western Hemisphere an American Protectorate. American Presidents have used it in the past to enforce their will on other nations. The Monroe Doctrine didn't remove the missiles from Cuba, but it (or Kennedy's version of it) was partly responsible for them being there.

The Monroe doctrin is a DOCTRINE, not an international law.

It is a statement outlining out political will.

No Western Hemisphere nation is under any obligation to pay attention to it unless we are prepared to back that DOCTINE up with force of arms.

It is not a treaty, it is not an agreement, it is a STATEMENT of our resolve.

Clear?

 

[DavidS]

we have never in our entire history needed to have a war.

Then maybe you'd like to fill us in on why Bush is rattling Putin's cage? The purpose of the missile shield, as our Commander in Chief tells us, is to defend Poland and Eastern Europe against nuclear missiles fired by Iran.

Iran doesn't have any technology that can reach Israel, much less Eastern Europe, nor has Iran ever threatened Poland or Eastern Europe.

 

[Sovereignty]

EXCERPT:

U.S., Poland sign missile deal
Poland agrees to house 10 U.S. interceptor missiles, a program that has angered Russia.

August 21, 2008

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice signed a missile defense deal with Poland. Rice cited U.S. concern about Iran’s nuclear ambitions as the rationale for the antimissile program, and the willingness of Poland and the Czech Republic to participate as the momentum for the effort. Under the agreement, the United States will build and operate 10 interceptor missiles in Poland that the administration says are intended for shooting down any long-range missiles from nations such as Iran.

Russian officials believe that though the plan is modest, it is the first step in construction of a huge interceptor system that could neutralize Russia’s vast missile force, leaving it vulnerable to a first-strike nuclear attack. They have reacted angrily, and a Russian general said last week that by approving the deal Poland was opening itself to a potential Russian nuclear attack.

The Poland-based interceptors would work in conjunction with a planned U.S. radar system in the Czech Republic that would track missiles.

Along with the 10 long-range interceptor missiles, Poland will receive a Patriot missile battery, staffed by the U.S. Army, that will be designed to protect against short-range missiles and warplanes. The Patriot battery is to be deployed next year, and by 2012 the U.S. is to build a garrison to protect it.

Rice and Sikorski also signed a separate “strategic cooperation agreement” that the State Department said would “elevate cooperation to a new and higher level.” A statement said that the U.S. remained committed to helping improve Poland’s military forces.

SOURCE:

L.A. Times
U.S., Poland sign missile deal - Los Angeles Times