CDZ Russia sell fuel to North Korea. UN is unhappy.

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Now that Russia has a good supply of Nuke material from the Clinton Deal they are sell the stuff to North Korea.


The showdown between the United States and Russia over North Korea publicly showed cracks in the unity of the 15-member U.N. Security Council, which has unanimously boosted sanctions since 2006 in a bid to choke off funding for Pyongyang’s nuclear and ballistic missile programs.

Haley told the U.N. Security Council that Russia was helping North Korea illegally obtain fuel through transfers at sea, had refused to expel a North Korean who the council blacklisted last year and had pushed for changes to an independent U.N. report on sanctions violations to cover up breaches by Russians.

U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley speaks during a United Nations Security Council meeting about implementation of sanctions against North Korea at U.N. headquarters in New York City, U.S., September 17, 2018. REUTERS/Brendan McDermid
Russian U.N. Ambassador Vassily Nebenzia said Moscow had not pressured the authors of the U.N. report and blamed Haley for heightening tensions. He also pointed out that the report had determined that a specific ship-to-ship transfer of fuel by a Russian ship, cited by Haley, was not a violation.

Haley said Washington has tracked some 148 cases this year of oil tankers delivering fuel to North Korea obtained through ship-to-ship transfers at sea in breach of a U.N. cap. She did not say how many transfers may have received Russian help.

“Russia must cease its violations of North Korea sanctions. It must end its concerted effort to cover up evidence of sanctions violations,” she said. “Its violations are not one-offs. They are systematic.”

Russia and China have suggested the Security Council discuss easing sanctions after U.S. President Donald Trump and North Korean leader Kim Jong Un met in June and Kim pledged to work toward denuclearization.

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Haley said that while “difficult, sensitive talks” between the United States and North Korea are ongoing, it was the wrong time to start easing sanctions on Pyongyang.

“It is impossible to come to an agreement if you offer nothing in return for your demands,” said Nebenzia, suggesting that a confidence-building measure could be for North and South Korea to sign a peace treaty.

Kim pushes reunification ahead of Koreas summit
Chinese U.N. Ambassador Ma Zhaoxu said Beijing implements sanctions on North Korea and warned that confronting Pyongyang would be a “dead end.” He called for progress in negotiations and urged the Security Council to remain united on the issue.

“Resorting to force will bring nothing but disastrous consequences,” Ma told the council.

U.N. political affairs chief Rosemary DiCarlo told the council that while there had been some recent positive developments, “there continue to be signs the DPRK (North Korea)is maintaining and developing its nuclear weapons and ballistic missile programs.”
 
Now that Russia has a good supply of Nuke material from the Clinton Deal they are sell the stuff to North Korea.


The showdown between the United States and Russia over North Korea publicly showed cracks in the unity of the 15-member U.N. Security Council, which has unanimously boosted sanctions since 2006 in a bid to choke off funding for Pyongyang’s nuclear and ballistic missile programs.

Haley told the U.N. Security Council that Russia was helping North Korea illegally obtain fuel through transfers at sea, had refused to expel a North Korean who the council blacklisted last year and had pushed for changes to an independent U.N. report on sanctions violations to cover up breaches by Russians.

U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley speaks during a United Nations Security Council meeting about implementation of sanctions against North Korea at U.N. headquarters in New York City, U.S., September 17, 2018. REUTERS/Brendan McDermid
Russian U.N. Ambassador Vassily Nebenzia said Moscow had not pressured the authors of the U.N. report and blamed Haley for heightening tensions. He also pointed out that the report had determined that a specific ship-to-ship transfer of fuel by a Russian ship, cited by Haley, was not a violation.

Haley said Washington has tracked some 148 cases this year of oil tankers delivering fuel to North Korea obtained through ship-to-ship transfers at sea in breach of a U.N. cap. She did not say how many transfers may have received Russian help.

“Russia must cease its violations of North Korea sanctions. It must end its concerted effort to cover up evidence of sanctions violations,” she said. “Its violations are not one-offs. They are systematic.”

Russia and China have suggested the Security Council discuss easing sanctions after U.S. President Donald Trump and North Korean leader Kim Jong Un met in June and Kim pledged to work toward denuclearization.

Slideshow (3 Images)
Haley said that while “difficult, sensitive talks” between the United States and North Korea are ongoing, it was the wrong time to start easing sanctions on Pyongyang.

“It is impossible to come to an agreement if you offer nothing in return for your demands,” said Nebenzia, suggesting that a confidence-building measure could be for North and South Korea to sign a peace treaty.

Kim pushes reunification ahead of Koreas summit
Chinese U.N. Ambassador Ma Zhaoxu said Beijing implements sanctions on North Korea and warned that confronting Pyongyang would be a “dead end.” He called for progress in negotiations and urged the Security Council to remain united on the issue.

“Resorting to force will bring nothing but disastrous consequences,” Ma told the council.

U.N. political affairs chief Rosemary DiCarlo told the council that while there had been some recent positive developments, “there continue to be signs the DPRK (North Korea)is maintaining and developing its nuclear weapons and ballistic missile programs.”

I'm confused. I spent 16 years hearing how the U.N. was a step against democracy and towards an evil leftist one world government. We don't actually want any U.N. sanctions enforced, do we?

While we're at it, Russia and N.Korea trading is just another form of capitalism, right?

FWIW, why has our spineless president not stopped any of these ship to ship transfers if they are a bad thing? Is he looking weak in the face of strong Putin and Kim Jong Un even though we supposedly have the stronger military?

Cowards.
 
Now that Russia has a good supply of Nuke material from the Clinton Deal they are sell the stuff to North Korea.


The showdown between the United States and Russia over North Korea publicly showed cracks in the unity of the 15-member U.N. Security Council, which has unanimously boosted sanctions since 2006 in a bid to choke off funding for Pyongyang’s nuclear and ballistic missile programs.

Haley told the U.N. Security Council that Russia was helping North Korea illegally obtain fuel through transfers at sea, had refused to expel a North Korean who the council blacklisted last year and had pushed for changes to an independent U.N. report on sanctions violations to cover up breaches by Russians.

U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley speaks during a United Nations Security Council meeting about implementation of sanctions against North Korea at U.N. headquarters in New York City, U.S., September 17, 2018. REUTERS/Brendan McDermid
Russian U.N. Ambassador Vassily Nebenzia said Moscow had not pressured the authors of the U.N. report and blamed Haley for heightening tensions. He also pointed out that the report had determined that a specific ship-to-ship transfer of fuel by a Russian ship, cited by Haley, was not a violation.

Haley said Washington has tracked some 148 cases this year of oil tankers delivering fuel to North Korea obtained through ship-to-ship transfers at sea in breach of a U.N. cap. She did not say how many transfers may have received Russian help.

“Russia must cease its violations of North Korea sanctions. It must end its concerted effort to cover up evidence of sanctions violations,” she said. “Its violations are not one-offs. They are systematic.”

Russia and China have suggested the Security Council discuss easing sanctions after U.S. President Donald Trump and North Korean leader Kim Jong Un met in June and Kim pledged to work toward denuclearization.

Slideshow (3 Images)
Haley said that while “difficult, sensitive talks” between the United States and North Korea are ongoing, it was the wrong time to start easing sanctions on Pyongyang.

“It is impossible to come to an agreement if you offer nothing in return for your demands,” said Nebenzia, suggesting that a confidence-building measure could be for North and South Korea to sign a peace treaty.

Kim pushes reunification ahead of Koreas summit
Chinese U.N. Ambassador Ma Zhaoxu said Beijing implements sanctions on North Korea and warned that confronting Pyongyang would be a “dead end.” He called for progress in negotiations and urged the Security Council to remain united on the issue.

“Resorting to force will bring nothing but disastrous consequences,” Ma told the council.

U.N. political affairs chief Rosemary DiCarlo told the council that while there had been some recent positive developments, “there continue to be signs the DPRK (North Korea)is maintaining and developing its nuclear weapons and ballistic missile programs.”

I'm confused. I spent 16 years hearing how the U.N. was a step against democracy and towards an evil leftist one world government. We don't actually want any U.N. sanctions enforced, do we?

While we're at it, Russia and N.Korea trading is just another form of capitalism, right?

FWIW, why has our spineless president not stopped any of these ship to ship transfers if they are a bad thing? Is he looking weak in the face of strong Putin and Kim Jong Un even though we supposedly have the stronger military?

Cowards.
I'm confused. I spent 16 years hearing how the U.N. was a step against democracy and towards an evil leftist one world government. We don't actually want any U.N. sanctions enforced, do we?
It's really not that simple. I admit, I have been guilty of saying much the same thing about the UN. However, I was wrong to make such sweeping statements. The UN CAN be a good thing, if used properly. One of those uses, should be putting global pressure on bad actors such as N.K. Let me explain in my next point:
While we're at it, Russia and N.Korea trading is just another form of capitalism, right?
Yes, it is. The way I look at it though is:
Imagine, if you will, your neighbor has been making threatening statements about you, then it is discovered that they are building an arsenal (the legality of which is questionable at best) of the very weapons they suggested they may use against you. Would you be OK with this? Do you think the police should have the power to intervene? Should the police at least have the power to stop further transactions until the matter is properly investigated?
FWIW, why has our spineless president not stopped any of these ship to ship transfers if they are a bad thing? Is he looking weak in the face of strong Putin and Kim Jong Un even though we supposedly have the stronger military?
What would you have him do? Start a war with both Russia, and North Korea? Stepping in militarily to prevent these transactions (assuming they actually happen) would likely lead to just that, WAR. Short of that, what else can Trump (or the State Department) do? Well, for starters, they can shed light on the matter in the appropriate forum (AKA the UN), and attempt to use political pressure to stop any further action. We could also hold a summit with them, I doubt it would do anything though. What else is there? I'm really not thinking of anything at the moment.
 
Now that Russia has a good supply of Nuke material from the Clinton Deal they are sell the stuff to North Korea.


The showdown between the United States and Russia over North Korea publicly showed cracks in the unity of the 15-member U.N. Security Council, which has unanimously boosted sanctions since 2006 in a bid to choke off funding for Pyongyang’s nuclear and ballistic missile programs.

Haley told the U.N. Security Council that Russia was helping North Korea illegally obtain fuel through transfers at sea, had refused to expel a North Korean who the council blacklisted last year and had pushed for changes to an independent U.N. report on sanctions violations to cover up breaches by Russians.

U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley speaks during a United Nations Security Council meeting about implementation of sanctions against North Korea at U.N. headquarters in New York City, U.S., September 17, 2018. REUTERS/Brendan McDermid
Russian U.N. Ambassador Vassily Nebenzia said Moscow had not pressured the authors of the U.N. report and blamed Haley for heightening tensions. He also pointed out that the report had determined that a specific ship-to-ship transfer of fuel by a Russian ship, cited by Haley, was not a violation.

Haley said Washington has tracked some 148 cases this year of oil tankers delivering fuel to North Korea obtained through ship-to-ship transfers at sea in breach of a U.N. cap. She did not say how many transfers may have received Russian help.

“Russia must cease its violations of North Korea sanctions. It must end its concerted effort to cover up evidence of sanctions violations,” she said. “Its violations are not one-offs. They are systematic.”

Russia and China have suggested the Security Council discuss easing sanctions after U.S. President Donald Trump and North Korean leader Kim Jong Un met in June and Kim pledged to work toward denuclearization.

Slideshow (3 Images)
Haley said that while “difficult, sensitive talks” between the United States and North Korea are ongoing, it was the wrong time to start easing sanctions on Pyongyang.

“It is impossible to come to an agreement if you offer nothing in return for your demands,” said Nebenzia, suggesting that a confidence-building measure could be for North and South Korea to sign a peace treaty.

Kim pushes reunification ahead of Koreas summit
Chinese U.N. Ambassador Ma Zhaoxu said Beijing implements sanctions on North Korea and warned that confronting Pyongyang would be a “dead end.” He called for progress in negotiations and urged the Security Council to remain united on the issue.

“Resorting to force will bring nothing but disastrous consequences,” Ma told the council.

U.N. political affairs chief Rosemary DiCarlo told the council that while there had been some recent positive developments, “there continue to be signs the DPRK (North Korea)is maintaining and developing its nuclear weapons and ballistic missile programs.”

I'm confused. I spent 16 years hearing how the U.N. was a step against democracy and towards an evil leftist one world government. We don't actually want any U.N. sanctions enforced, do we?

While we're at it, Russia and N.Korea trading is just another form of capitalism, right?

FWIW, why has our spineless president not stopped any of these ship to ship transfers if they are a bad thing? Is he looking weak in the face of strong Putin and Kim Jong Un even though we supposedly have the stronger military?

Cowards.
I'm confused. I spent 16 years hearing how the U.N. was a step against democracy and towards an evil leftist one world government. We don't actually want any U.N. sanctions enforced, do we?
It's really not that simple. I admit, I have been guilty of saying much the same thing about the UN. However, I was wrong to make such sweeping statements. The UN CAN be a good thing, if used properly. One of those uses, should be putting global pressure on bad actors such as N.K. Let me explain in my next point:
While we're at it, Russia and N.Korea trading is just another form of capitalism, right?
Yes, it is. The way I look at it though is:
Imagine, if you will, your neighbor has been making threatening statements about you, then it is discovered that they are building an arsenal (the legality of which is questionable at best) of the very weapons they suggested they may use against you. Would you be OK with this? Do you think the police should have the power to intervene? Should the police at least have the power to stop further transactions until the matter is properly investigated?
FWIW, why has our spineless president not stopped any of these ship to ship transfers if they are a bad thing? Is he looking weak in the face of strong Putin and Kim Jong Un even though we supposedly have the stronger military?
What would you have him do? Start a war with both Russia, and North Korea? Stepping in militarily to prevent these transactions (assuming they actually happen) would likely lead to just that, WAR. Short of that, what else can Trump (or the State Department) do? Well, for starters, they can shed light on the matter in the appropriate forum (AKA the UN), and attempt to use political pressure to stop any further action. We could also hold a summit with them, I doubt it would do anything though. What else is there? I'm really not thinking of anything at the moment.

I just put up with hearing about Obama for 8 years so I'm applying it to Trump. Personally I wouldn't start a war over it either.
 
What would you have him do? Start a war with both Russia, and North Korea? Stepping in militarily to prevent these transactions (assuming they actually happen) would likely lead to just that, WAR. Short of that, what else can Trump (or the State Department) do? Well, for starters, they can shed light on the matter in the appropriate forum (AKA the UN), and attempt to use political pressure to stop any further action. We could also hold a summit with them, I doubt it would do anything though. What else is there? I'm really not thinking of anything at the moment.

We need to use our economic power as a bludgeon against these countries and anyone who does business with them. The choice should be Them or Us: Pick One.

But isn't that what Trump is being criticized for?
 
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What would you have him do? Start a war with both Russia, and North Korea? Stepping in militarily to prevent these transactions (assuming they actually happen) would likely lead to just that, WAR. Short of that, what else can Trump (or the State Department) do? Well, for starters, they can shed light on the matter in the appropriate forum (AKA the UN), and attempt to use political pressure to stop any further action. We could also hold a summit with them, I doubt it would do anything though. What else is there? I'm really not thinking of anything at the moment.

We need to use our economic power as a bludgeon against these countries and anyone who does business with them. The choice should be Them or Us: Pick One.

But isn't that what Trump is being criticized for?
Yes, he is. I'm not convinced his tactics are the best way to go about this though. I am no expert on trade, nor foreign relations, however, as a student of history, I see few options left if tariffs/trade war do not work. Further, I see little wrong with the idea of working with our allies to "contain and isolate" as a workable, and sustainable policy. But, as I said, I am no expert, and could be convinced that a different approach is the better option.
 
I'm not convinced his tactics are the best way to go about this though.

I hear this a lot, but no one puts forth a better alternative. Maybe we should wait and see how his approach works out? (It seems to be working so far.)
 

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