Russia and Venezuela to hold joint Sea maneuver in the Caribbean

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    Venezuela has a Navy? But seriously who hasnt had a "joint" maneuver in the Carribean? Ya mon!
     
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    I can't read German, but, if this is true, this is bad...very bad for us. Time to pull those missiles out of Poland.

    A read between the lines of recent U.S./Russian Naval History:

    Since the beginning of the Nuclear arms race, the threat from Soviet missile submarines surpassed any level of threat that existed in the cold war. Simply. the U.S. has huge coast lines with hundreds of minor and many major cities on these coasts. If Russian submarines could get close to our shores they could launch a coordinated attack that would destroy this country MUCH faster than we could detect or respond to the attack.

    Anti-Submarine warfare has ALWAYS been a THE TOP PRIORITY of the U.S. military.

    Back in the early 1990s, with the advent of digital technology, the U.S. absolutely and unequivocally dominated submarine and anti-submarine warfare (which is based primarily on audio analysis techniques).

    Then in 2001(?) Russia launched a super-high tech Sub that would have put them on an equal footing with the U.S., but GWB sent in attack submarine and sank the Russian sub during it's ceremonial launch (when target aquistion systems would have been turned off). No body was screwing around with torpedoes on the Russian sub - it was all pomp and ceremony going on.

    But what GWB failed to understand is that nobody builds just one high tech sub. There must have been another half dozen in production when the first one was sunk.

    Next, we have Russia making claim to sub-Arctic zones in defiance of the U.S. Nobody would make a claim like that unless that had the ability to enforce it militarily. The Russians have clearly at least caught up in the submarine/anti-submarine warfare game.

    After that we have the defeat in Georgia. Ten years of training, using American tactics and equipment, and the Russian army defeated the Georgian army almost immediately. This indicates that NATO is impodent.

    Finally, the Carribean has been close off to the Russian Navy since the Cuban missile Crises. There are very few deep water passages between the Atlantic and the Pacific. The U.S. has had them completely blockaded for years.

    Joint Russian/ Venezuelian naval exercises (that is to say Russian Naval exercises) in the Carribean mean that our blockade is also impodent.

    We're seriously screwed. This is alot worse than missiles in Poland.

    To bad that idiot in the White House didn't make peace with Russia back in 2001 when Putin made so many offers.
     
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    Its nice that they made it so convenient for us to watch and develop a plan of our own. I'm thinking a swarm of remote controlled aircraft to keep them busy why we set direct hits with a half-dozen stealth fighters.
     
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    I'm pretty sure that they have those bases covered. They've had alot more time to study our military capabilities than we have their's. One of the unfortunate aspects of a country that goes to war too much. Did you read 'The Winds of War'? All about a U.S. naval officier that travels the world and studies German and Japanese military capabilities during the early part of WWII. He of course is always reporting back to Washington, so that when we enter the war we were well aware of what their capabilities were and how to surpass them.
     
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    Translate the website with google.

    How would pulliing missiles out of Poland help? Maybe we should just give em Georgia and call it a day, right? Cause appeasement has work so well in the past.
    This ought to be good.
    Okay, I'm on board. What else you got.
    Not quite, but I'm listening.
    USA!USA!USA!
    Now you did it. You had me then you had to get out your tinfoil hat. Do you have evidence of this? If not, then you should say that it is that could have happened, don't state it as fact.
    I'm sure a man with an MBA from Harvard(they don't just hand those out ya know) would never be able to grasp concepts like that. Perhaps it was an accident. Or, God willing, it could have been a message from Pres. Bush to Putin saying I can get you anywhere. Prolly an accident though.
    Crack a fuckin book every now and then. Russian sabre rattling has been around since Christ was a corporal.
    Yep, Georgian army vs. Russian army and Georgians lost due to inadequate US training.
    We have never had a "blockade"? A blockade is an act of war dipshit. We have simply had an understanding with Russia about where we would not tolerate their presence.
    You are fuckin' kidding me right? How are we screwed? Because the Russians have couple ships chasing around some Venezuelan fishmen? And I assume that you mean missiles in Cuba and not Poland.
    We made peace with Russia in 1989, it was called the end of the Cold War. It was at a conference in Malta, then Russia became an ally against Irag in '90, but you wouldn't know that, because you obviously don't read books.
     
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    As I originally stated: "A read between the lines". But an awful lot was a bit more factual.

    If you have an MBA from Harvard I suggest that you stick to counting your pennies, because you know nothing about the topics I've discussed above.

    You know nothing about what the term 'Military' means. Yes, we let Russia know that we would not tolerate their presence in the Carribean- and backed it up with absolute force. That's called a blockade. It isn't done with rows of battle ships anymore.

    Speaking of cracking a book, you should read Tom Clancy's 'The Hunt for Red October', it would give you some idea of the life that I led for several years.

    But, wow, you went to Harvard...try living a real life schoolboy!
     
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    First off it is a missile defense system in Poland. Not offensive missiles.

    Second. This is so very typical a response from the cut and run surrender first Liberals.

    Omg Russia is doing maneuvers so we better retreat.

    I say fuck that, bring it on Russia. Our navy our classes theirs in every single way. Our Nuclear subs out number and out class theirs. This is nothing but posturing from a Nation who can not actually do a damn thing to us. Unless of course they want a Mutual Nuclear Destruction.

    Russia is trying to get their way with posturing and threats and you are ready to give it to them. pretty sad.

    Exactly why I oppose Obama, because he thinks just like you.
     
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    How do you cover a 2000# bomb dropped from 10,000' from an unseen plane?:eusa_whistle:
     
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    Didn't go to Harvard. Wasn't in the Navy. I enjoyed the entire Jack Ryan series. However, I try not to form my opinions of the world from fiction. I try to stick to facts.
     

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