Rumsfeld: Waterboarding/Torture Did NOT Lead to OBL Whereabouts

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    From NewsMax, well-known diehard conservative news site's exclusive interview with Rumsfeld:

    Rumsfeld Exclusive: There Was No Waterboarding of Courier Source


    So waterboarding led to the phony intelligence that got us into Iraq and was not responsible for helping us capture Bin Laden.
     
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    Somehow they jsut refuse to believe the experts on torture.

    The experts have said repetedly that torture produces false leads.

    The only reason some wanted to have torture at their disposal was to create the intell they wanted.
     
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    From the CIA:

    So despite being waterboarded dozens and dozens of times in a secret prison, neither al-Libbi nor KSM revealed the name of Osama's courier... until, at least 4 years after their waterboarding stopped and they had been transferred back to American custody to be interrogated by the FBI and military interrogators explicitly NOT using harsh interrogation techniques. Then they finally gave up his real name during "normal interrogation" which allowed us in 2009 to find out where he was, this August track him down, and this weekend kill him after he led us to Osama bin Laden.

    So during waterboarding? No intel used to get bin Laden.
    During regular interrogation? Intel used to get bin Laden.

    According to the CIA's own timeline and champion of waterboarding Donald Rumsfeld's own comments.

    Can't claim this one as a victory for torture, sorry to burst your bubble.
     
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    No, torture is good no matter what anybody says. It's an a priori truth which needs no reasoning, evidence or justification. I feel it in my "gut," you know. I think we should torture anyone we suspect of doing anything bad, because I believe they deserve it, and I have enough faith in the government to believe it could never happen to me.

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    I just cant understand why people want to buy these lines of thinking.

    What is it in some of us Americans that WANTS to see torture as a good thing?
     
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    But see in wingnutworld, interrogation reads automatically as waterboarding because they want it to be true so bad. They WANT to say, "see?! Tor--I mean water-boarding works!"

    Why? I don't know.
     
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    Who started this rumor anyways?
     
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    Simple fact. We will probably never know exactly how the original information was obtained, or the details of the trail that led to the compound. Because it's better not to tell our enemies exactly how we do what we do.

    I would have thought that those with an IQ over 10 would understand that.

    However, please carry on taking everything your chosen media source says as gospel and dismiss Fox when it gives you a time and date stamp.

    You make me laugh.
     
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    Or in other words:

    "Hey, look over there!"

    No one is on your pro-torture side more than Rumsfeld, CG, nor the CIA that carried it out, they've been looking for and making excuses to justify waterboarding for the last 7 years but on this one even they admit it had nothing to do with it. But you can't of course, no matter what even the reliable sources on your side say.

    If you had the government claiming torture led to OBL's death, you'd be shouting "You see!" and posting links until your throat was sore and fingers bled, just like every other torture-lover here.

    When they emphatically assert torture had nothing to do with it, "Well you can't trust what you read in the news, everyone smart knows that."

    They specifically mention they can't give details that they can't give. But saying we got the intel in 2009 rather than 2003 when we say we got it from the same source doesn't reveal anything more about "how we do what we do" and that's a terribly lame copout that doesn't apply here.

    I'll give you a D- for effort.
     
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