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I guarantee, when your ass is running down the street with your hair on fire, your stupid ass will change your tune forthwit. You'll be demanding answers as to why we did nothing to prevent you from laying in ICU with a tube shoved down your ignorant throat, and watching your life vitals beep away on a lil' screen.There was some torture at ABU Grahib, and those who supposedly were responsible were tried and punished. I still ask, where the hell was their Sergeant? But water boarding 3 prime terrorists? Not torture.
How many times have you been waterboarded?
Erich "Mancow" Muller Waterboarded - Conservative Radio Host "proving" once and for all that waterboarding is NOT torture.
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How about this?....We didn't torture!Yes rdean we've seen Mancow wuss out. And we understand that you would have preferred that we allow 10,000 more innocent Americans de than waterboard 3 dirtbag terrorists. But that's your hatred of all things Bush coming out. Search your soul and tell me that you would rather we had another 9-11 type attack instead.
How about this? This is America, we don't torture.
Christ, i'm so sick of these god damn sympathetic candyassed whiners!
There was some torture at ABU Grahib, and those who supposedly were responsible were tried and punished. I still ask, where the hell was their Sergeant? But water boarding 3 prime terrorists? Not torture.
How many times have you been waterboarded?
Erich "Mancow" Muller Waterboarded - Conservative Radio Host "proving" once and for all that waterboarding is NOT torture.
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Yes rdean we've seen Mancow wuss out. And we understand that you would have preferred that we allow 10,000 more innocent Americans de than waterboard 3 dirtbag terrorists. But that's your hatred of all things Bush coming out. Search your soul and tell me that you would rather we had another 9-11 type attack instead.
Ok so, the enemy now knows we no longer waterboard so, have they ended their fatwah?
LMAO!
No, that would be torture. We haven't tortured. But our tecniques saved the lives of many innocent americans. And that's all that matters!How about this?....We didn't torture!How about this? This is America, we don't torture.
Christ, i'm so sick of these god damn sympathetic candyassed whiners!
Mmm-hmmm.
Make up your mind. Do you believe we didn't torture, or do you believe we should be able to if the ends justify?
There's as much evidence that torture doesn't work as there is that it does. Specifically, it will prompt a fake confession as fast as a real one.
But let's say it does work. Would you condone shoving bamboo shoots up someones fingernails if it would get information and further our cause? Hmm?
No, that would be torture. We haven't tortured. But our teqniques saved the lives of many innocent americans. And that's all that matters!How about this?....We didn't torture!
Christ, i'm so sick of these god damn sympathetic candyassed whiners!
Mmm-hmmm.
Make up your mind. Do you believe we didn't torture, or do you believe we should be able to if the ends justify?
There's as much evidence that torture doesn't work as there is that it does. Specifically, it will prompt a fake confession as fast as a real one.
But let's say it does work. Would you condone shoving bamboo shoots up someones fingernails if it would get information and further our cause? Hmm?
Serious question here. Have you faced the enemy face to face. Ever looked into their eyes. Ever seen the abject brutality they deal in. Ever seen the affects of what they'll do to their fellow muslims for simply taking a candy bar from a US or allied soldier. Ever had to help clean up the results of what said candy bar caused. Ever been in a shootout with 'em. Ever been fired fired upon while escorting a group of innocent children to their schoolhouse, with small arms and RPG's. I can say yes to all, can you?
We are not dealing with choir boys or girls here.
Do you really understand what this enemy is all about. Or do you even care?
In 1983, Texas Sheriff James Parker was charged, along with three of his deputies, for handcuffing prisoners to chairs, placing towels over their faces, and pouring water on the cloth until they gave what the officers considered to be confessions. The sheriff and his deputies were all convicted and sentenced to four years in prison.
Karl Rove “Proud” U.S. Tortured Detainees | The Moderate Voice
Posted by MICHAEL STICKINGS, Assistant Editor in Politics, War.
Mar 12th, 2010 | View Comments
Karl Rove says he is “proud we used techniques that broke the will of these terrorists… Yes, I’m proud that we kept the world safer than it was, by the use of these techniques. They’re appropriate, they’re in conformity with our international requirements and with US law.”
Of course, the U.S. did a lot of nasty things to its detainees, at Abu Ghraib and elsewhere, and a lot of what it did amounted to torture as defined by any decent human being.
What Rove was specifically focusing on, though, was waterboarding, which he does not consider torture. This is how they get around it. Bush repeatedly said the U.S. doesn’t torture, but it only doesn’t torture if you don’t consider waterboarding torture. It’s just a form of “enhanced interrogation,” a horrible euphemism.
But it is simply incorrect to assert that what the U.S. did conforms with “international requirements” (under the Geneva Conventions) and American law. Unless, of course, in this case, you define waterboarding down — that is, unless you lie about what waterboarding is.
Well, a lot has been written about waterboarding, including by some who have experienced it, but Mark Benjamin’s recent “Waterboarding for dummies” piece at Salon graphically exposed the brutal truth about waterboarding and the use thereof by U.S. interrogators. It’s a must-read, though a deeply disturbing one.
It’s hardly the harmless “dunk in the water” Cheney said it was:
Karl Rove Proud U.S. Tortured Detainees | The Moderate Voice
Posted by MICHAEL STICKINGS, Assistant Editor in Politics, War.
Mar 12th, 2010 | View Comments
Karl Rove says he is proud we used techniques that broke the will of these terrorists Yes, Im proud that we kept the world safer than it was, by the use of these techniques. Theyre appropriate, theyre in conformity with our international requirements and with US law.
Of course, the U.S. did a lot of nasty things to its detainees, at Abu Ghraib and elsewhere, and a lot of what it did amounted to torture as defined by any decent human being.
What Rove was specifically focusing on, though, was waterboarding, which he does not consider torture. This is how they get around it. Bush repeatedly said the U.S. doesnt torture, but it only doesnt torture if you dont consider waterboarding torture. Its just a form of enhanced interrogation, a horrible euphemism.
But it is simply incorrect to assert that what the U.S. did conforms with international requirements (under the Geneva Conventions) and American law. Unless, of course, in this case, you define waterboarding down that is, unless you lie about what waterboarding is.
Well, a lot has been written about waterboarding, including by some who have experienced it, but Mark Benjamins recent Waterboarding for dummies piece at Salon graphically exposed the brutal truth about waterboarding and the use thereof by U.S. interrogators. Its a must-read, though a deeply disturbing one.
Its hardly the harmless dunk in the water Cheney said it was:
Why wouldn't he be?
After all, torturing Abu Zubaydah, a schizophrenic AQ travel agent falsely represented as "the number three man in Al Qaeda,"gave us all those great terror warnings in 2002 that were all complete bunk.
And torturing Sheikh al Libi gave us the "evidence" that Iraq and Al Qaeda were working together on chem weapons, evidence used in Powell's UN presentation and the 2003 State of the Union. Of course, al Libi was passionately anti-Ba'athist and most likely did it on purpose, but hey.
And don't forget that waterboarding KSM helped stop a terrorist attack that was foiled a year before he was captured.
Real nice people we have here. It seems that nothing is more important than their image. Never mind how many innocent people could die, it's all about image.
Fucking morons.
Real nice people we have here. It seems that nothing is more important than their image. Never mind how many innocent people could die, it's all about image.
Fucking morons.
Don't you ever back any of your statements up with anything other than name calling and personal rage. It's a shame the world is so different than the myopic way you see it. Must be awfully frightening.
Real nice people we have here. It seems that nothing is more important than their image. Never mind how many innocent people could die, it's all about image.
Fucking morons.
Why do you keep running from Sarge's VERY VALID question rdean?Real nice people we have here. It seems that nothing is more important than their image. Never mind how many innocent people could die, it's all about image.
Fucking morons.
Don't you ever back any of your statements up with anything other than name calling and personal rage. It's a shame the world is so different than the myopic way you see it. Must be awfully frightening.
What would you like me to back up?
What have you backed up?
Why don't you answer the question?
"Search your soul and tell me that you would rather we had another 9-11 type attack instead"
Come on rdean, tell us that your image of us is more important than saving lives.
Real nice people we have here. It seems that nothing is more important than their image. Never mind how many innocent people could die, it's all about image.
Fucking morons.
Don't you ever back any of your statements up with anything other than name calling and personal rage. It's a shame the world is so different than the myopic way you see it. Must be awfully frightening.
What would you like me to back up?
What have you backed up?
Why don't you answer the question?
"Search your soul and tell me that you would rather we had another 9-11 type attack instead"
Come on rdean, tell us that your image of us is more important than saving lives.
They also think we are fighting a conventional war against a conventional enemy.Real nice people we have here. It seems that nothing is more important than their image. Never mind how many innocent people could die, it's all about image.
Fucking morons.
Don't you ever back any of your statements up with anything other than name calling and personal rage. It's a shame the world is so different than the myopic way you see it. Must be awfully frightening.
What would you like me to back up?
What have you backed up?
Why don't you answer the question?
"Search your soul and tell me that you would rather we had another 9-11 type attack instead"
Come on rdean, tell us that your image of us is more important than saving lives.
Once again you make the assertion that torture stops attacks without any evidence.
Funny, everyone water-boarded calls it torture. Only behind the desk chicken hawks say it's not. I prefer to believe those who have actually been waterboarded. And don't lie and say you have been.
Karl Rove Proud U.S. Tortured Detainees | The Moderate Voice
Posted by MICHAEL STICKINGS, Assistant Editor in Politics, War.
Mar 12th, 2010 | View Comments
Karl Rove says he is proud we used techniques that broke the will of these terrorists Yes, Im proud that we kept the world safer than it was, by the use of these techniques. Theyre appropriate, theyre in conformity with our international requirements and with US law.
Of course, the U.S. did a lot of nasty things to its detainees, at Abu Ghraib and elsewhere, and a lot of what it did amounted to torture as defined by any decent human being.
What Rove was specifically focusing on, though, was waterboarding, which he does not consider torture. This is how they get around it. Bush repeatedly said the U.S. doesnt torture, but it only doesnt torture if you dont consider waterboarding torture. Its just a form of enhanced interrogation, a horrible euphemism.
But it is simply incorrect to assert that what the U.S. did conforms with international requirements (under the Geneva Conventions) and American law. Unless, of course, in this case, you define waterboarding down that is, unless you lie about what waterboarding is.
Well, a lot has been written about waterboarding, including by some who have experienced it, but Mark Benjamins recent Waterboarding for dummies piece at Salon graphically exposed the brutal truth about waterboarding and the use thereof by U.S. interrogators. Its a must-read, though a deeply disturbing one.
Its hardly the harmless dunk in the water Cheney said it was:
Why wouldn't he be?
After all, torturing Abu Zubaydah, a schizophrenic AQ travel agent falsely represented as "the number three man in Al Qaeda,"gave us all those great terror warnings in 2002 that were all complete bunk.
And torturing Sheikh al Libi gave us the "evidence" that Iraq and Al Qaeda were working together on chem weapons, evidence used in Powell's UN presentation and the 2003 State of the Union. Of course, al Libi was passionately anti-Ba'athist and most likely did it on purpose, but hey.
And don't forget that waterboarding KSM helped stop a terrorist attack that was foiled a year before he was captured.
