Rove outed Wilson's wife. Hardball talks up possible impeachment

[dilloduck]

Regardless, it is still not the way to run a government. As No1 said, IF Rove did, then fire him. If not, then leave him alone. I don't think Bush should cave just because. I believe he has more of a backbone than many of our presidents in recent history.

He USED to---what happened to it I don't know.

 

[Bonnie]

splitting hairs now----does saying "the wife of----" count as blowing someones cover anyway? (espescially since evryone in Washington knew it already)

I'll stand by what No1 said.... that if there is real proof that Rove did purposefully leak her name to the press then he should be fired, but Im not willing to hum along with this lynch mob just yet given the source behind the agenda.
No splitting of hairs just incontrovertable proof before a man's career and life are ruined.

 

[Bonnie]

He USED to---what happened to it I don't know.

Im concerned about that as well!

 

[freeandfun1]

Im concerned about that as well!

Well, he has lost about 1/3 of it, but I like to think he still has about 2/3 of it... maybe not though... this will be a good test for us to see. As will the Supreme Court nominations and confirmations....

 

[Bonnie]

By Michael Isikoff
Newsweek

July 11 issue - Its legal appeals exhausted, Time magazine agreed last week to turn over reporter Matthew Cooper's e-mails and computer notes to a special prosecutor investigating the leak of an undercover CIA agent's identity. The case has been the subject of press controversy for two years. Saying "we are not above the law," Time Inc. Editor in Chief Norman Pearlstine decided to comply with a grand-jury subpoena to turn over documents related to the leak. But Cooper (and a New York Times reporter, Judith Miller) is still refusing to testify and faces jail this week.


At issue is the story of a CIA-sponsored trip taken by former ambassador (and White House critic) Joseph Wilson to investigate reports that Iraq was seeking to buy uranium from the African country of Niger. "Some government officials have noted to Time in interviews... that Wilson's wife, Valerie Plame, is a CIA official who monitors the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction," said Cooper's July 2003 Time online article.

Now the story may be about to take another turn. The e-mails surrendered by Time Inc., which are largely between Cooper and his editors, show that one of Cooper's sources was White House deputy chief of staff Karl Rove, according to two lawyers who asked not to be identified because they are representing witnesses sympathetic to the White House. Cooper and a Time spokeswoman declined to comment. But in an interview with NEWSWEEK, Rove's lawyer, Robert Luskin, confirmed that Rove had been interviewed by Cooper for the article. It is unclear, however, what passed between Cooper and Rove.

The controversy began three days before the Time piece appeared, when columnist Robert Novak, writing about Wilson's trip, reported that Wilson had been sent at the suggestion of his wife, who was identified by name as a CIA operative. The leak to Novak, apparently intended to discredit Wilson's mission, caused a furor when it turned out that Plame was an undercover agent. It is a crime to knowingly reveal the identity of an undercover CIA official. A special prosecutor was appointed and began subpoenaing reporters to find the source of the leak.

Novak appears to have made some kind of arrangement with the special prosecutor, and other journalists who reported on the Plame story have talked to prosecutors with the permission of their sources. Cooper agreed to discuss his contact with Lewis (Scooter) Libby, Vice President Dick Cheney's top aide, after Libby gave him permission to do so. But Cooper drew the line when special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald asked about other sources.

Initially, Fitzgerald's focus was on Novak's sourcing, since Novak was the first to out Plame. But according to Luskin, Rove's lawyer, Rove spoke to Cooper three or four days before Novak's column appeared. Luskin told NEWSWEEK that Rove "never knowingly disclosed classified information" and that "he did not tell any reporter that Valerie Plame worked for the CIA." Luskin declined, however, to discuss any other details. He did say that Rove himself had testified before the grand jury "two or three times" and signed a waiver authorizing reporters to testify about their conversations with him. "He has answered every question that has been put to him about his conversations with Cooper and anybody else," Luskin said. But one of the two lawyers representing a witness sympathetic to the White House told NEWSWEEK that there was growing "concern" in the White House that the prosecutor is interested in Rove. Fitzgerald declined to comment.

In early October 2003, NEWSWEEK reported that immediately after Novak's column appeared in July, Rove called MSNBC "Hardball" host Chris Matthews and told him that Wilson's wife was "fair game." But White House spokesman Scott McClellan told reporters at the time that any suggestion that Rove had played a role in outing Plame was "totally ridiculous." On Oct. 10, McClellan was asked directly if Rove and two other White House aides had ever discussed Valerie Plame with any reporters. McClellan said he had spoken with all three, and "those individuals assured me they were not involved in this."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8445696/site/newsweek/

Some suspect that the White House leaked her name in retaliation for a July 6, 2003, article in the New York Times written by Wilson, her husband, accusing the administration of using bogus intelligence to justify the war in Iraq.

Fitzgerald has interviewed many other White House officials and journalists, including Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney.

Novak was the first to publish Plame's name, but Fitzgerald has indicated that whoever leaked the information to Novak also might have leaked the information to other journalists, which could constitute separate violations of a federal law protecting covert agents.

Prosecutions under that law are rare because they require a showing that the leak was intentionally disclosed and that the person leaking the information knew the government was trying to conceal it.

Fitzgerald had asked Cooper and Time for documents and testimony relating to conversations Cooper had with "official sources" about Wilson or Plame or her ties to the CIA, before the Novak column was published.

http://www.skyhen.org/Politics/rove_denies_outing_cia_agent.php

 

[freeandfun1]

Interesting article, but it really doesn't say a damn thing.

 

[Bonnie]

Interesting article, but it really doesn't say a damn thing.

True but that's all that's floating around... Keeping my eyes peeled for more..

 

[spillmind]

From what I have read, he only admits to speaking to the reporter. I wonder how many dems talked to the same reporter?? Nothing is confirmed, it is just the dems trying to make something out of this...

This morning they were saying it is likely it was the reporter herself who outed Plame and that is why she won't release her source...

that's quite an avatar photo, dude.

i'm glad to know that you are also posting from iraq either from a military base or from a contractor job.

 

[bush lover]

How many of you know that Rove is a German national? how do we know he isn't a mole from the German Socialist government? Sent to bring down our President Bush!!!

 

[freeandfun1]

that's quite an avatar photo, dude.

i'm glad to know that you are also posting from iraq either from a military base or from a contractor job.

As a veteran of 8 years in the Army and the first Gulf War, I have all the rights in the world to honor those that have fallen. So kiss off.

 

[manu1959]

it was common knowledge that she was a spook before rove alegedly said anything....this is so not a story

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Rove outed Wilson's wife. Hardball talks up possible impeachment of Bush tonight. Chrissee and his leftie bud E.J. Dionne and others think that Rove lied, exposed Wilson's wife. Thus all lied including Bush about intel pre-Iraq,, ie. now can impeach Bush. Gawd almight save us from the idiot left..

Who outed Plame? It's probably a liberal....why else are Newsweek's Cooper and New Yuk Times reporter Judith Miller refusing to testify?
:cof:

 

[spillmind]

As a veteran of 8 years in the Army and the first Gulf War, I have all the rights in the world to honor those that have fallen. So kiss off.

there are lots of contractor jobs available over there right now. you most certianly get paid much more than our men on the ground. i guess you don't feel that strongly about it all, though, right?

 

[Bonnie]

there are lots of contractor jobs available over there right now. you most certianly get paid much more than our men on the ground. i guess you don't feel that strongly about it all, though, right?

Are you looking to debate the issue of this post or just insult??

 

[spillmind]

Who outed Plame? It's probably a liberal....why else are Newsweek's Cooper and New Yuk Times reporter Judith Miller refusing to testify?
:cof:

apparently denial isn't just a river in egypt.

let me ask you this people:

if it is true that rove leaked the identity of a CIA operative because he/she made public that the claims by the administration were totally false, and hyped up around policy for revenge, would you consider this treason? if you don't consider it treason, what would you call it? and if it is treason by your own definition, what would you suggest as action on rove?

please take some time to be non-partisan and honest with yourselves about it. thank you.

 

[freeandfun1]

there are lots of contractor jobs available over there right now. you most certianly get paid much more than our men on the ground. i guess you don't feel that strongly about it all, though, right?

What have you done spilly? Huh?

Spilly, I have done my time. Furthermore, I established a fund called the "Widows', Orphans' and Wounded Soldiers' Fund" for which, to date, I have personnaly raised over $20,000 from business associates. I myself had contributed nearly $7,500 to the cause of my own money. I correspond with the troops and their families and I help out however I can when they need it. As I mentioned, I did 8 years in the Army and I served during the first Gulf War so it is obvious you have no clue what you are ranting about. You're being a tad childish and very immature with your comments.

 

[spillmind]

Are you looking to debate the issue of this post or just insult??

i'm sorry, i just don't see the logic of someone parading around about how great of a cause there is in iraq, when they don't want to go and personally contribute to the cause.

 

[freeandfun1]

apparently denial isn't just a river in egypt.

let me ask you this people:

if it is true that rove leaked the identity of a CIA operative because he/she made public that the claims by the administration were totally false, and hyped up around policy for revenge, would you consider this treason? if you don't consider it treason, what would you call it? and if it is treason by your own definition, what would you suggest as action on rove?

please take some time to be non-partisan and honest with yourselves about it. thank you.

Her position was known to many. IF he leaked her name, sure, he should be fired because that is what Bush said he would do to whomever leaked the name. But treason? You're reaching now bubba.

 

[spillmind]

What have you done spilly? Huh?

Spilly, I have done my time. Furthermore, I established a fund called the "Widows', Orphans' and Wounded Soldiers' Fund" for which, to date, I have personnaly raised over $20,000 from business associates. I myself had contributed nearly $7,500 to the cause of my own money. I correspond with the troops and their families and I help out however I can when they need it. As I mentioned, I did 8 years in the Army and I served during the first Gulf War so it is obvious you have no clue what you are ranting about. You're being a tad childish and very immature with your comments.

that's impressive. my hat is off to you. that's far more than many others contribute that go on and on about how great of a cause it is in iraq. i'll respect your position but still find it over the top.

 

[spillmind]

Her position was known to many. IF he leaked her name, sure, he should be fired because that is what Bush said he would do to whomever leaked the name. But treason? You're reaching now bubba.

you really don't consider it treason? at least you think he should be fired IF he was at fault. however, i think it would be going easy on the guy to just be fired over it.