Discussion in 'Election Forums' started by Nova78, Oct 16, 2012.
Obama looked the fool he is,Romney wiped the floor with obama's lying ass as expected...
If you dislike it, it must be going good for Obama.
Obama ,the same old bullshit,hope and change,where failure is deemed a success....
I thought they each had their points and felt it was as close to a draw as it could get.
I don't think that the debate changed anyone's vote, unlike the last debate between the two.
He is finished.
I think that it will actually show a bump for Obama in some key states. That said, it is still an election that can be lost by either candidate with just one foolish move or statement. At present, the President leads, but marginally.
haha, part of the time, he acted like a thug. As for lying, what we saw was his amplified version of Taqiyya and Kitman, but it didn't come off the way he planned, lol.
Lying (Taqiyya and Kitman)
TheReligionofPeace - Islam: Taqiyya and Lying
"Muslim scholars teach that Muslims should generally be truthful to each other, unless the purpose of lying is to "smooth over differences."
There are two forms of lying to non-believers that are permitted under certain circumstances, taqiyya and kitman. These circumstances are typically those that advance the cause Islam - in some cases by gaining the trust of non-believers in order to draw out their vulnerability and defeat them.
Qur'an (16:106) - Establishes that there are circumstances that can "compel" a Muslim to tell a lie.
Qur'an (3:28) - This verse tells Muslims not to take those outside the faith as friends, unless it is to "guard themselves."
Qur'an (9:3) - "...Allah and His Messenger are free from liability to the idolaters..." The dissolution of oaths with the pagans who remained at Mecca following its capture. They did nothing wrong, but were evicted anyway.
Qur'an (40:28) - A man is introduced as a believer, but one who must "hide his faith" among those who are not believers.
Muslims are allowed to lie to unbelievers in order to defeat them. The two forms are:
Taqiyya - Saying something that isn't true.
Kitman - Lying by omission. An example would be when Muslim apologists quote only a fragment of verse 5:32 (that if anyone kills "it shall be as if he had killed all mankind") while neglecting to mention that the rest of the verse (and the next) mandate murder in undefined cases of "corruption" and "mischief."
Though not called Taqiyya by name, Muhammad clearly used deception when he signed a 10-year treaty with the Meccans that allowed him access to their city while he secretly prepared his own forces for a takeover. The unsuspecting residents were conquered in easy fashion after he broke the treaty two years later, and some of the people in the city who had trusted him at his word were executed.
Another example of lying is when Muhammad used deception to trick his personal enemies into letting down their guard and exposing themselves to slaughter by pretending to seek peace. This happened in the case of Ka'b bin al-Ashraf (as previously noted) and again later against Usayr ibn Zarim, a surviving leader of the Banu Nadir tribe, which had been evicted from their home in Medina by the Muslims."
He lied in the First debate too. Lies don't really bother some people around here.
Just curious. Where did you see the "dislike" in the OP?
I don't mind being lied to. What I object to is being lied to by a dolt.
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