Root Cause of US Education System Failure

What are the "root causes" for the US education system failure?

  • Its entirely the teacher's fault

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Its the teachers unions and the liberal attitudes i.e. "social promotion", etc.

    Votes: 16 44.4%
  • Its the total lack of discipline, bring back old style discipline

    Votes: 10 27.8%
  • The teachers fear the kids, the kids have guns now...seriously...real guns

    Votes: 6 16.7%
  • Its society, too much TV, to many distractions like texting, TV, radio, video games, etc

    Votes: 8 22.2%
  • Its the parents' fault, they are simply too busy to keep the kids focused on their studies

    Votes: 16 44.4%
  • its the politicians' fault, their tax policies penalize parents and reward welfare queens

    Votes: 8 22.2%
  • politicians' fault allowing illegals in i.e. a demographics failure, growing the wrong segments

    Votes: 6 16.7%
  • The successful focus on themselves instead of creating families...not producing offspring

    Votes: 2 5.6%
  • Its actually the combination of all of the above

    Votes: 10 27.8%

  • Total voters
    36
Progressives have controlled our educational system and unions and they make sure American students have no connect with their past, no ability to think or act independently and a love for all things big gubbamint

The DoE needs to be burned to the ground

'Progressives' and Unions had MUCH MORE control of our education system when America's education system was the best in the world Frank.

The past 30+ years have been have NOT been dominated by Progressives. They have been dominated by 'conservatives' and Union busters...they should be called what they are... Regressives...

"We're going to crush labor as a political entity"
Grover Norquist - Republican economic guru

Worse Than Union Busting

A television ad playing in Michigan this September seemed innocent enough: an adorable little girl in braids, a schoolroom filled to the brim with the latest, colorful learning aids and enthusiastic students eager to learn. But wait; the pigtailed girl is giving a report on union malfeasance. The teacher appears shocked to hear that her union dues support worker-friendly political candidates. Seriously?

The nationwide arrival of commercials like this one—often accompanied by full-page newspaper and radio ads—should raise eyebrows. This isn’t a promo for a new parody on the next installment of "Saturday Night Live" or "The Daily Show." The TV spots are the handiwork of a powerful, well-financed web of extremist, conservative organizations and well-paid spin doctors on a mission to dismantle labor unions.

The ads beg the question: Who’s willing to invest millions to undermine the right of teachers, nurses and other workers in America to earn a decent living and protect their interests in the workplace? The answer is far less innocent than ponytails and reads like a page torn out of Christopher Buckley’s bestseller, Thank You for Smoking .

The over-the-top mudslinging by the Center for Union Facts, the National Right to Work Committee and other anti-union groups is nothing more than an attempt to pull the wool over our eyes, hiding the real crisis in the American workplace. Too many workers in the U.S. still can’t adequately provide basic necessities for their families, protect themselves from workplace hazards or take care of themselves when they get old or sick. The firings, intimidation and harassment that often befall workers attempting to exercise freedoms of speech and association by forming unions are threats to our democracy. When faced with union organizing drives, 30 percent of employers terminate pro-union workers, 40 percent threaten to close a worksite if a union prevails and 51 percent coerce workers into opposing unions with bribery and favoritism.

The motives behind assailing organized workers are both financial and ideological. Union-busting is big business. Just ask Center for Union Facts founder and D.C. mercenary lobbyist Rick Berman. He’s the mastermind behind the ads and has earned a living attacking other public interest groups—like Mothers Against Drunk Driving and the Centers for Disease Control—for clients including the alcohol and fast food industries. Although he won’t reveal who is bankrolling CUF, attacking unions seems to be the source of his latest windfall.

And Berman isn’t the only one profiting from conspiring to bring about the demise of worker-built organizations. Search for “union buster” on Google and peruse over 3 million hits. The proliferation of “union avoidance” consulting has resulted in 82 percent of employers hiring help to fight worker organizing drives.

But the assault on unions goes deeper than the dollar. It is bolstered by a long-standing conservative political objective to eradicate unions. Right-wingers know something the rest of us seem to have forgotten: Workers still want unions because they are a powerful deterrent to poverty and unfettered corporate greed. When conservative political strategist Grover Norquist says, “We’re going to crush labor as a political entity” and ultimately “break unions,” it isn’t because unions aren’t relevant anymore. The right knows that unions act as the nation’s conscience by advancing civil rights, environmental protections and other causes of equality, justice and fair play far beyond the workplace.

If worker-built organizations weren’t powerful, the right wouldn’t invest so much time and money to dismantle them. And Berman’s supporters would be less concerned with obscuring their support from public view.

So the next time you come across a slick television, radio or newspaper ad pedaling anti-union propaganda, ask yourself who benefits when workers are prevented from joining together to represent themselves. Question what’s at stake when democratic rights are limited in the workplace.

The anti-union network’s vision for the workplace is out of sync with what we value in America.
 
our colleges are the best, does anybody who really cares about eduction really stop at high school?

Yes. College takes money. Serious money. Not everyone who can or wants to attend can raise the funds to do so, with or without putting themselves and their families into debt. Or by the time they do, they are attempting to complete college with a family and full-time career. It's not as easy for a lot of interested, qualified people as waving a magic wand and dreams come true.
 
our colleges are the best, does anybody who really cares about eduction really stop at high school?

Yes. College takes money. Serious money. Not everyone who can or wants to attend can raise the funds to do so, with or without putting themselves and their families into debt. Or by the time they do, they are attempting to complete college with a family and full-time career. It's not as easy for a lot of interested, qualified people as waving a magic wand and dreams come true.

not much worthwhile is easy, though the average college grad makes 2.5MM more than a hs grad so any loans would be easy to pay for with a half ass major.:clap2:
 
The Liberal Teacher Unions destroyed our Public School System a long time ago. Once they decided they were going to get into the Social Engineering business,everything collapsed. The Teacher Unions decided they were going to focus on creating good little Democrats instead of focusing on teaching the basics. I don't know if our Public Schools can ever be fixed. So much damage has been done. It's a real crap-shoot sending your child into a Public School these days. Who knows what the Liberal loons are filling their heads with? It's probably more like Russian Roulette.
 
our colleges are the best, does anybody who really cares about eduction really stop at high school?

Yes. College takes money. Serious money. Not everyone who can or wants to attend can raise the funds to do so, with or without putting themselves and their families into debt. Or by the time they do, they are attempting to complete college with a family and full-time career. It's not as easy for a lot of interested, qualified people as waving a magic wand and dreams come true.

not much worthwhile is easy, though the average college grad makes 2.5MM more than a hs grad so any loans would be easy to pay for with a half ass major.:clap2:

In this economy? We have PhD's and JD's running cash registers. Real life is more complicated than "get the piece of paper and you're in".

That's not to say it isn't worth the effort or the gamble for those able to take it. I worked my way through a couple degrees myself. But I was lucky enough to have a situation where that was possible. If it means bankrupting your parents or shortchanging your children, it's a whole other issue.
 
The Liberal Teacher Unions destroyed our Public School System a long time ago. Once they decided they were going to get into the Social Engineering business,everything collapsed. The Teacher Unions decided they were going to focus on creating good little Democrats instead of focusing on teaching the basics. I don't know if our Public Schools can ever be fixed. So much damage has been done. It's a real crap-shoot sending your child into a Public School these days. Who knows what the Liberal loons are filling their heads with? It's probably more like Russian Roulette.

The resident idiot on the board...

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Please keep the debate focused on the issue. There were a lot of interesting ideas tossed around. Its unfortunate that some ideas hit someone's turf, but someone needs to look at why the US kids are doing so poorly compared with the rest of the world. Is it the kids, the parents, the teachers, the schools, the politicians, society, funding, or something else. If other countries can educate their kids, we here in the US need to figure out how to get it done.
 
The majority of folks in the education system are Democrats, so, I have to blame Democrats. Didn't see that as an option.
 
If you voted, I'd put that under politicians, teachers, and teacher's unions. Do you have any stats that show that republican/conservative kids are way smarter than the democrat kids? I know that the universities penalize conservative thought, thats a pity since the EU seems to be proving that socialism doesn't work.
 
The Liberal Teacher Unions destroyed our Public School System a long time ago. Once they decided they were going to get into the Social Engineering business,everything collapsed. The Teacher Unions decided they were going to focus on creating good little Democrats instead of focusing on teaching the basics. I don't know if our Public Schools can ever be fixed. So much damage has been done. It's a real crap-shoot sending your child into a Public School these days. Who knows what the Liberal loons are filling their heads with? It's probably more like Russian Roulette.

Unions can be blamed for being power and money hungry, but they do not write curriculum, discipline policies, or dictate teaching methods. That is in the hands of the state and the local school boards. And while many teachers belong to unions and may vote Dem, many of them are very socially conservative here in NJ. In fact our union has endorsed several R's in the past few years. In uber-liberal areas, perhaps teachers are simply a microcosm of the larger community.

Children are not having their heads filled with socialist propaganda in our K-12 schools. Colleges? That's a different story.
 
Children are not having their heads filled with socialist propaganda in our K-12 schools.


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdPSqL9_mfM]YouTube - BARACK OBAMA KIDS AND HITLER YOUTH SING FOR THEIR LEADER[/ame]

creepy.....
 
The Liberal Teacher Unions destroyed our Public School System a long time ago. Once they decided they were going to get into the Social Engineering business,everything collapsed. The Teacher Unions decided they were going to focus on creating good little Democrats instead of focusing on teaching the basics. I don't know if our Public Schools can ever be fixed. So much damage has been done. It's a real crap-shoot sending your child into a Public School these days. Who knows what the Liberal loons are filling their heads with? It's probably more like Russian Roulette.

Unions can be blamed for being power and money hungry, but they do not write curriculum, discipline policies, or dictate teaching methods. That is in the hands of the state and the local school boards. And while many teachers belong to unions and may vote Dem, many of them are very socially conservative here in NJ. In fact our union has endorsed several R's in the past few years. In uber-liberal areas, perhaps teachers are simply a microcosm of the larger community.

Children are not having their heads filled with socialist propaganda in our K-12 schools. Colleges? That's a different story.

Are people actually trying to imply that in the deep south and Bible-belt states that liberals and democrats are running the school systems?

How about those liberals defining Texas school books?
 
I will imply that, heavily unionized and Democrat backing teachers. Pick a state, I'll do the research for you later, have to run.
 
The majority of folks in the education system are Democrats, so, I have to blame Democrats. Didn't see that as an option.

Hey pea brain... America is the land of opportunity. There's nothing stopping conservatives from choosing a career in academia... except for that one little thing...they are dumber than a pile of dogshit.


"We have all seen these circus elephants complete with tusks, ivory in their head and thick skins, who move around the circus ring and grab the tail of the elephant ahead of them."
President John F. Kennedy
 
Children are not having their heads filled with socialist propaganda in our K-12 schools.


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdPSqL9_mfM]YouTube - BARACK OBAMA KIDS AND HITLER YOUTH SING FOR THEIR LEADER[/ame]

creepy.....

So that's where our school dollars are going.....to pay for "hopey" t-shirts....gee, almost like a uniform.....:salute:


Our public school system is so heavily infested with the liberal agenda that it has become pretty much just a tool to imbue their leftist collective ideals into our children....and with that as their primary goal why should they give a damn about individual academic excellence....?

Speaking of "Hitler youth" tactics.....here's Obama's new goal for our schoolchildren.....you notice it has nothing to do with academics....instead it is for service to the state collective...

By Mr. Obama's account, he will make federal education aid conditional on schools requiring that high-school and even middle-school students perform 50 hours of service each year.


Comparing Obama and McCain On Public Service - WSJ.com
 
The corrupt Liberal/Democrat Teacher Unions have viciously fought against every new & original idea proposed in recent years for fixing our broken Public School System. They like the status-quo just fine. They stopped caring about the children a long time ago. It's all about them now. Our Public School System desperately needs new ideas. The status-quo just isn't gonna cut it. The corrupt Teacher Unions have always stood in the way of different & positive changes. All they want to focus on is creating good little future Democrats. So they are to blame for our failed Public Schools. It is what it is.
 
The majority of folks in the education system are Democrats, so, I have to blame Democrats. Didn't see that as an option.

Hey pea brain... America is the land of opportunity. There's nothing stopping conservatives from choosing a career in academia... except for that one little thing...they are dumber than a pile of dogshit.


"We have all seen these circus elephants complete with tusks, ivory in their head and thick skins, who move around the circus ring and grab the tail of the elephant ahead of them."
President John F. Kennedy

So if one group chooses academia, and another group chooses "big business or the corporate jungle" is either group really dumber than dog-shit or smarter than the other? Maybe the economic losers shouldn't be whining for higher taxes from the A-Team? Doncha think?
 
Looks like his choice was Texas. OK, looks like Texas is one of the states where their teachers don't pay into Social Security. That sounds heavily unionized Democrat backing to me, but let me do more homework for "Right Winger":

PERSI:. Public Employee Retirement System of Idaho

Below is a list of non-federal public employee plans that do not participate in Social Security. A few plans are noted as "*Both;" they have some employees who do participate and some who do not. Florida is noteworthy as their teachers do not and the remainder of the plan's participants do. Alaska state employees and employees of some Alaska political subdivisions do not participate. Federal employees hired after 1983 participate in Social Security.

* Alaska PERS*
* Alaska Teachers
* California PERF*
* California Teachers
* Charlotte Firefighters
* Chicago Teachers
* Colorado Municipal
* Colorado State & School
* Connecticut Teachers
* DC Police & Fire
* DC Teachers Denver Schools
* Florida RS*
* Houston Firefighters
* Illinois Teachers
* Illinois Universities
* Kentucky Teachers
* Louisiana SERS
* Louisiana Teachers
* Maine Local*
* Maine State and Teacher
* Massachusetts SERS
* Massachusetts Teachers
* Minneapolis Teachers*
* Missouri Teachers
* Nevada Police Officer and Firefighter
* Nevada Regular Employees
* Ohio PERS Ohio Police & Fire
* Ohio School Employees
* Ohio Teachers
* San Francisco City & County*
* Texas Teachers
 
Wow, Texas is a right to work state, only 17% of government employees unionized. Wow, look at the union support for Democrats in elections:

Federal-level Political Donations
Each election unions spend millions of their members' money supporting politicians, many of whom the union members don't even like. The following Texas candidates received money from labor unions.

Total Contributions
Democrat $ 2,756,798
Republican $ 105,000

State-level Political Donations
Public sector unions give thousands of dollars to local legislators, often in an effort to guarantee exorbitant benefits from the state.

Total Contributions
Democrat $ 1,310,215
Republican $ 705,014

Texas Union Facts

Let me stay focused on the teachers, back at it..........
 
Just watching Meet the Press showing that the US is at the bottom of developed countries' for education. The top US 5% of students are still in the lower half of the world's kids.

Why is this? Who has ideas how to improve the US kids' performance?

Is it the teachers? The teacher's unions? The parents? The apparent lack of discipline in schools? The kids are too distracted from studies? The drug culture and societal changes in younger sexuality (i.e. the kids get sexually active younger and studying takes a back-seat to fun in the back-seat)

Could it be that politicians penalized having kids so professionals had fewer kids and only the welfare queens had large families, then did not have the skills to educate or care for their large families?

Lets take a poll....

If we want to measure up with other nations, we need to do as other nations do....tracking, longer school days, longer school years, Saturday school, and....only measuring the top kids, not all the kids as we do.
 

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