Roosevelt....the Un-Reagan

[Moonglow]

Business leaders wanted FDR to open relations with the USSR...The Koch family had first dibs...

 

[Wyatt earp]

Reagan was no FDR

Reagan: Mr Gorbachev....please tear down this wall

FDR kicked the fucking wall down

WTF???? FDR gave Stalin almost half of Europe, read a history book will ya...

Clearly you have never read a history book.

The Soviet Union defeated the entire eastern half of German controlled Europe- controlled Poland, and all of what became the Eastern block countries- and was still considered at that time our ally- AND we wanted the USSR to go to war against Japan.

Do you think that the United States should have gone to war with the USSR to free Poland in 1945?

IF you look at history- by containing the Soviets where they were- the Soviet empire eventually collapsed under its own weight.

There really is no comparison between Roosevelt and Reagan- except for one thing- both were extremely charismatic- and both were extremely popular with American voters.

Fuck you and your ilk for the mayhem you let FDR get away with....

They should have never stopped at Berlin and drove right into Moscow.

 

[Moonglow]

Support for FDR started to slip when he proposed the ironically named "judicial reform bill" of 1937 which was a thinly disguised plan to pack the Supreme Court with New Dealers. FDR cleverly appointed a former KKK member to the supreme court and Justice Black paid him back with the majority opinion that "justified" incarcerating American citizens without due process. Black went on during the Truman administration to write the majority opinion that created the modern version of "separation of church and state" that had no basis in Constitutional law.There was so much wrong with the FDR administration that he would have gone down in history as the worst president if he wasn't impeached first unless he had total and unconditional support from the media.. Generally speaking the media writes the history books and "historians" in the media bent over backwards to preserve the FDR legacy. Every other president in history acknowledged a two term limit and gracefully bowed out but FDR ran for four. Democrats knew he would never live to complete his 4th term despite lying to the public and they selected a successor while the incumbent V.P. was on vacation.

" FDR cleverly appointed a former KKK member to the supreme court and Justice Black paid him back with the majority opinion that "justified" incarcerating American citizens without due process."

The Liberal demigod, Roosevelt, has a well documented history of antipathy to blacks, Jews and Asians.

More facts not taught in government school.

How is the KKK organization communistic in nature?

 

[Wyatt earp]

Reagan was no FDR

Reagan: Mr Gorbachev....please tear down this wall

FDR kicked the fucking wall down

WTF???? FDR gave Stalin almost half of Europe, read a history book will ya...

The Red Army defeated Hitler and took half of Europe

FDR saved Western Europe

Bullshit

 

[jillian]

And now for the education that government schooling skipped.

regan and Atwater gave the wacky radical right its seat at the table.

i'll take Roosevelt.

thanks.

but that whole homeschooling thing must confuse you,

 

[PoliticalChic]

Business leaders wanted FDR to open relations with the USSR...The Koch family had first dibs...

Shouldn't you stick to topics you know something about....such as favorite Star War film, and most of the letters in the alphabets?


FDR hated business leaders, yet you write "Business leaders wanted FDR to open relations with the USSR."

Gads, what a fool.

Franklin Roosevelt had a visceral animosity toward businessmen, entrepreneurs, successful capitalists. And he had a way with words, in describing them. "unscrupulousmoney changers..." the greed and shortsightedness of bankers andbusinessmen," "..rulers of the exchange of mankind's goods have failed through their own stubbornness and their own incompetence" "we apply social values more noble than mere monetary profit." "there must be an end to a conduct in banking and in business which too often has given to a sacred trust the likeness of callous and selfish wrongdoing."
"New Deal or Raw Deal?: How FDR's Economic Legacy Has Damaged America," by Burton Folsom


Certainly FDR would have jumped to whatever 'business leaders' told him to.
You dope.

 

[rightwinger]

Reagan was no FDR

Reagan: Mr Gorbachev....please tear down this wall

FDR kicked the fucking wall down

WTF???? FDR gave Stalin almost half of Europe, read a history book will ya...

Clearly you have never read a history book.

The Soviet Union defeated the entire eastern half of German controlled Europe- controlled Poland, and all of what became the Eastern block countries- and was still considered at that time our ally- AND we wanted the USSR to go to war against Japan.

Do you think that the United States should have gone to war with the USSR to free Poland in 1945?

IF you look at history- by containing the Soviets where they were- the Soviet empire eventually collapsed under its own weight.

There really is no comparison between Roosevelt and Reagan- except for one thing- both were extremely charismatic- and both were extremely popular with American voters.

Fuck you and your ilk for the mayhem you let FDR get away with....

They should have never stopped at Berlin and drove right into Moscow.

How many millions of deaths would you have tolerated?

The Nazis lost around 8 million trying to do the same thing

 

[Syriusly]

Reagan was no FDR

Reagan: Mr Gorbachev....please tear down this wall

FDR kicked the fucking wall down

WTF???? FDR gave Stalin almost half of Europe, read a history book will ya...

Clearly you have never read a history book.

The Soviet Union defeated the entire eastern half of German controlled Europe- controlled Poland, and all of what became the Eastern block countries- and was still considered at that time our ally- AND we wanted the USSR to go to war against Japan.

Do you think that the United States should have gone to war with the USSR to free Poland in 1945?

IF you look at history- by containing the Soviets where they were- the Soviet empire eventually collapsed under its own weight.

There really is no comparison between Roosevelt and Reagan- except for one thing- both were extremely charismatic- and both were extremely popular with American voters.

"There really is no comparison between Roosevelt and Reagan blah blah blah...."
Surely you mean 'contrast,' don't you.

But there is.....

Franklin Roosevelt rejected the Constitution, accepted communism and revered the collective...the true American President, Ronald Reagan, venerated the Constitution, stood for the individual and despised Communism..

Franklin Roosevelt saved the farmers of America, while the GOP was letting them go out of business.
Franklin Roosevelt did not accept 'communism'- any more than Nixon 'accepted communism.
FDR worked with Communists while defeating Germany and Japan- two countries which were actually at war with the United States- Reagan never defeated any country.
FDR led the country from 24.75 unemployment in 1933 to 9.66 in 1941- a drop of 16%- Reagan led the country from 10.8 to 5.3% unemployment- a drop of 5.5%.

But I do understand why you hate FDR so much

He brought Social Security to Americans.
And Unemployment Insurance
And bank stability

No wonder you hate FDR.

He was pro-American.

 

[PoliticalChic]

And now for the education that government schooling skipped.

regan and Atwater gave the wacky radical right its seat at the table.

i'll take Roosevelt.

thanks.

but that whole homeschooling thing must confuse you,

Oh, my.....another 'I hate you' post from a Liberal.

You had nothing to say about any of the facts I've posted.

That's because you know nothing....but you remain a reliable Democrat voter.

 

[Syriusly]

Business leaders wanted FDR to open relations with the USSR...The Koch family had first dibs...

Shouldn't you stick to topics you know something about..

Oh Chic- if we insisted you stick to topic you know something about- you would never be able to post on USMB.

But good job of posting GOP talking points.

 

[rightwinger]

Reagan was no FDR

Reagan: Mr Gorbachev....please tear down this wall

FDR kicked the fucking wall down

WTF???? FDR gave Stalin almost half of Europe, read a history book will ya...

The Red Army defeated Hitler and took half of Europe

FDR saved Western Europe

Bullshit

Failed history didn't you? The Red Army killed 20 times the number of Nazis that we did

 

[Syriusly]

Reagan was no FDR

Reagan: Mr Gorbachev....please tear down this wall

FDR kicked the fucking wall down

WTF???? FDR gave Stalin almost half of Europe, read a history book will ya...

Clearly you have never read a history book.

The Soviet Union defeated the entire eastern half of German controlled Europe- controlled Poland, and all of what became the Eastern block countries- and was still considered at that time our ally- AND we wanted the USSR to go to war against Japan.

Do you think that the United States should have gone to war with the USSR to free Poland in 1945?

IF you look at history- by containing the Soviets where they were- the Soviet empire eventually collapsed under its own weight.

There really is no comparison between Roosevelt and Reagan- except for one thing- both were extremely charismatic- and both were extremely popular with American voters.

Fuck you and your ilk for the mayhem you let FDR get away with....

They should have never stopped at Berlin and drove right into Moscow.

Fuck you and your ilk that are upset that millions of American GI's didn't die because of your anti-Communist zeal.

 

[Moonglow]

President Roosevelt took office in 1933 and sought to establish relations with the Soviets, in part because the United States was the only major power yet to recognize the Soviet Union.

The main issues surrounding the establishment of relations included the settling of Soviet debts, Soviet involvement in American domestic affairs (like supporting the American Communist Party), and the legal status of Americans living in the Soviet Union.
The hopes for friendly relations quickly broke down, however. The two sides could not reach an agreement on the debts and the United States felt that the Soviets continued to interfere in United States relations. Not until the outbreak of World War II did the United States and Soviet Union begin to cooperate, with the Americans providing arms and material to the Soviets for their fight against Nazi Germany.
http://learning.blogs.nytimes.com/2...lomatic-relations-with-the-soviet-union/?_r=0

 

[PoliticalChic]

Reagan was no FDR

Reagan: Mr Gorbachev....please tear down this wall

FDR kicked the fucking wall down

WTF???? FDR gave Stalin almost half of Europe, read a history book will ya...

Clearly you have never read a history book.

The Soviet Union defeated the entire eastern half of German controlled Europe- controlled Poland, and all of what became the Eastern block countries- and was still considered at that time our ally- AND we wanted the USSR to go to war against Japan.

Do you think that the United States should have gone to war with the USSR to free Poland in 1945?

IF you look at history- by containing the Soviets where they were- the Soviet empire eventually collapsed under its own weight.

There really is no comparison between Roosevelt and Reagan- except for one thing- both were extremely charismatic- and both were extremely popular with American voters.

Fuck you and your ilk for the mayhem you let FDR get away with....

They should have never stopped at Berlin and drove right into Moscow.

How many millions of deaths would you have tolerated?

The Nazis lost around 8 million trying to do the same thing

Stuck your foot in your mouth again:
Stalin killed 60 million of his own citizens, yet Roosevelt made him is BFF.


Killing and putting one's own citizens in concentration camps appears to be the hallmark of totalitarians such as Stalin, Hitler, and Roosevelt.

 

[Syriusly]

Reagan was no FDR

Reagan: Mr Gorbachev....please tear down this wall

FDR kicked the fucking wall down

WTF???? FDR gave Stalin almost half of Europe, read a history book will ya...

Clearly you have never read a history book.

The Soviet Union defeated the entire eastern half of German controlled Europe- controlled Poland, and all of what became the Eastern block countries- and was still considered at that time our ally- AND we wanted the USSR to go to war against Japan.

Do you think that the United States should have gone to war with the USSR to free Poland in 1945?

IF you look at history- by containing the Soviets where they were- the Soviet empire eventually collapsed under its own weight.

There really is no comparison between Roosevelt and Reagan- except for one thing- both were extremely charismatic- and both were extremely popular with American voters.

Fuck you and your ilk for the mayhem you let FDR get away with....

They should have never stopped at Berlin and drove right into Moscow.

How many millions of deaths would you have tolerated?

The Nazis lost around 8 million trying to do the same thing

Stuck your foot in your mouth again:
Stalin killed 60 million of his own citizens, yet Roosevelt made him is BFF.
.

I am looking for your alternative PC- do you think FDR should have declared war against the USSR while we were at war with Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan?

Or perhaps just not assist the USSR, so that Nazi Germany could kill millions more Soviet citizens- and perhaps defeat the Soviet Union- so Hitler could link up with Imperial Japan in the east?

Tell us your alternative?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Reagan was no FDR

Reagan: Mr Gorbachev....please tear down this wall

FDR kicked the fucking wall down

WTF???? FDR gave Stalin almost half of Europe, read a history book will ya...

Clearly you have never read a history book.

The Soviet Union defeated the entire eastern half of German controlled Europe- controlled Poland, and all of what became the Eastern block countries- and was still considered at that time our ally- AND we wanted the USSR to go to war against Japan.

Do you think that the United States should have gone to war with the USSR to free Poland in 1945?

IF you look at history- by containing the Soviets where they were- the Soviet empire eventually collapsed under its own weight.

There really is no comparison between Roosevelt and Reagan- except for one thing- both were extremely charismatic- and both were extremely popular with American voters.

"There really is no comparison between Roosevelt and Reagan blah blah blah...."
Surely you mean 'contrast,' don't you.

But there is.....

Franklin Roosevelt rejected the Constitution, accepted communism and revered the collective...the true American President, Ronald Reagan, venerated the Constitution, stood for the individual and despised Communism..

Franklin Roosevelt saved the farmers of America, while the GOP was letting them go out of business.
Franklin Roosevelt did not accept 'communism'- any more than Nixon 'accepted communism.
FDR worked with Communists while defeating Germany and Japan- two countries which were actually at war with the United States- Reagan never defeated any country.
FDR led the country from 24.75 unemployment in 1933 to 9.66 in 1941- a drop of 16%- Reagan led the country from 10.8 to 5.3% unemployment- a drop of 5.5%.

But I do understand why you hate FDR so much

He brought Social Security to Americans.
And Unemployment Insurance
And bank stability

No wonder you hate FDR.

He was pro-American.

You appear to be quite the fool.
Bet I know who you voted for in the last election.

1. Here is an interesting visual: imagine a triple line of the unemployed, three across, consisting of those unemployed under Hoover, in 1931. The line would have gone from Los Angeles, across the country, to the border of Maine.

What effect did Roosevelt have on the line?

Well, eight years later, in 1939, the length of the line would have gone further, from the Maine border, south to Boston, then on to New York City, then to Philadelphia, on to Washington, D.C.- and finally, into Virginia.
Folsom, "New Deal or Raw Deal"


Think Folsom was wrong?

Check it out at the US Bureau of the Census, 'Historical Statistics of the United States: Colonial Times to 1970, I-126 andUnemployment Statistics during the Great Depression

2. In 1935, the Brookings Institution (left-leaning) delivered a 900-page report on the New Deal and the National Recovery Administration, concluding that “ on the whole it retarded recovery.”
http://www.aei.org/article/26390

a. " “We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work. And I have just one interest, and if I am wrong…somebody else can have my job. I want to see this country prosperous. I want to see people get a job. I want to see people get enough to eat. We have never made good on our promises…I say after eight years of this administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started…And an enormous debt to boot!”
Morgenthau Diary, May 9, 1939, Franklin Roosevelt Presidential Library


3. "Reagan never defeated any country."
He defeated the Evil Empire without firing a shot.

"Reagan was made from far sterner stuff than was his Soviet counterpart. His genial grin and wise-cracking demeanor concealed a spine of steel when push came to shove. Yet at their next meeting in Reykjavik in 1986, where Gorbachev would not budge on the "Star Wars" question, Reagan was decisive and unforgiving. He recalls in An American Life how he stood up from the table to proclaim that the meeting was over. Then he turned to his Secretary of State: "Let's go, George. We're leaving." Like any good diplomat, Shultz was crushed by so much roughness, but Reagan was completely unfazed. Later on, he explained: "I went to Reykjavik determined that everything was negotiable except two things, our freedom and our future."
The 'Amazing and Mysterious Life' of Ronald Reagan

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2751/is_77/ai_n6353166/pg_3/?tag=content;col1



BTW....you could have done a much better job defending Roosevelt if you had a real education....
Like this:
Consider the following pluses for FDR( from “The Hundred Days of FDR”, by Schlesinger)

"Who can now imagine a day when America offered no Social Security, no unemployment compensation, no food stamps, no Federal guarantee of bank deposits, no Federal supervision of the stock market, no Federal protection for collective bargaining, no Federal standards for wages and hours, no Federal support for farm prices or rural electrification, no Federal refinancing for farm and home mortgages, no Federal commitment to high employment or to equal opportunity - in short, no Federal responsibility for Americans who found themselves, through no fault of their own, in economic or social distress?"


And all we had to give up for these material benefits was the America of our Founders.

 

[PoliticalChic]

WTF???? FDR gave Stalin almost half of Europe, read a history book will ya...

Clearly you have never read a history book.

The Soviet Union defeated the entire eastern half of German controlled Europe- controlled Poland, and all of what became the Eastern block countries- and was still considered at that time our ally- AND we wanted the USSR to go to war against Japan.

Do you think that the United States should have gone to war with the USSR to free Poland in 1945?

IF you look at history- by containing the Soviets where they were- the Soviet empire eventually collapsed under its own weight.

There really is no comparison between Roosevelt and Reagan- except for one thing- both were extremely charismatic- and both were extremely popular with American voters.

Fuck you and your ilk for the mayhem you let FDR get away with....

They should have never stopped at Berlin and drove right into Moscow.

How many millions of deaths would you have tolerated?

The Nazis lost around 8 million trying to do the same thing

Stuck your foot in your mouth again:
Stalin killed 60 million of his own citizens, yet Roosevelt made him is BFF.
.

I am looking for your alternative PC- do you think FDR should have declared war against the USSR while we were at war with Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan?

Or perhaps just not assist the USSR, so that Nazi Germany could kill millions more Soviet citizens- and perhaps defeat the Soviet Union- so Hitler could link up with Imperial Japan in the east?

Tell us your alternative?

"I am looking for your alternative PC..."
No prob!

1. When the (anticipated) event that Hitler would attack Stalin's Russia, as they did June 21st, 1941,America should have done nothing...no more than relaxing restrictions on exports to the Russians...but at the same time securing a quid pro quo for further assistance! Lend-Lease should not have been the automatic and unlimited buffet that it turned into!

"Finally, should the Soviet regime fall,...we should refuse to recognize a Communist government-in-exile,leaving the path clear for establishment for a non-Communist government in Russia after the war." These were the words of Loy Henderson, Soviet and Eastern European affairs expert and Foreign Service officer, as quoted by Martin Weil in "A pretty good club: The founding fathers of the U.S. Foreign Service," p. 106.


2. In a letter to FDR, dated January 29, 1943, William Bullitt (Franklin D. Roosevelt appointed Bullitt the first US ambassador to the Soviet Union, a post that he filled from 1933 to 1936.)warned Roosevelt about what would happen if he continued pursuing the policies of appeasement toward Stalin that formed the foundation of the American war strategy. He pleaded with FDR not to 'permit our war to prevent Nazi domination of Europe to be turned into a war to establish Soviet domination of Europe.'

He predicted the Soviet annexation of half of Europe; George Kennan identified that letter as the earliest warning of what would be the result of FDR's policies.
"For the President Personal & Secret: Correspondence Between Franklin D. Roosevelt and William C. Bullitt," Orville H. Bullitt, p. 575-590


3. Hanson Baldwin, military critic of the New York Times, declares in his book, "Great Mistakes of the War:" 'There is no doubt whatsoever thatit would have been to the interest of Britain, the United States, and the world to have allowed and indeed to have encouraged-the world's two great dictatorships to fight each other to a frazzle.'
Baldwin writes that the United States put itself "in the role-at times a disgraceful role-of fearful suppliant and propitiating ally, anxious at nearly any cost to keep Russia fighting. In retrospect, how stupid!"

 

[Moonglow]

Still pushing that false Reagan myth about defeating the USSR single handedly...The official date of the fall of the USSR is 1991, long after Dutch was in office...

 

[Moonglow]

Surely then Churchill was a commie pinko fag since he was giving the USSR aid earlier then the US did..

 

[Wyatt earp]

Reagan was no FDR

Reagan: Mr Gorbachev....please tear down this wall

FDR kicked the fucking wall down

WTF???? FDR gave Stalin almost half of Europe, read a history book will ya...

Clearly you have never read a history book.

The Soviet Union defeated the entire eastern half of German controlled Europe- controlled Poland, and all of what became the Eastern block countries- and was still considered at that time our ally- AND we wanted the USSR to go to war against Japan.

Do you think that the United States should have gone to war with the USSR to free Poland in 1945?

IF you look at history- by containing the Soviets where they were- the Soviet empire eventually collapsed under its own weight.

There really is no comparison between Roosevelt and Reagan- except for one thing- both were extremely charismatic- and both were extremely popular with American voters.

Fuck you and your ilk for the mayhem you let FDR get away with....

They should have never stopped at Berlin and drove right into Moscow.

Fuck you and your ilk that are upset that millions of American GI's didn't die because of your anti-Communist zeal.

My ass you pinko commie that millions would have died, we could have been in Moscow under a month.

The prick gave away half of fucking Europe for over 40 years.