Ronald Reagan and the Taliban

[Modbert]

Speaking of piss....

Who pissed in your Wheaties this morning?

Sorry, it was worth it though.

 

[random3434]

Don't be hard on Si Modo, she made me go google some more stuff, I found a lot of links, like this:

Taliban still have Reagan's Stingers - Telegraph

 

[Si modo]

Or maybe some should go back to school so that they can understand non sequiturs. Just because I responded the way I did, does not mean that I don't comprehend what you wrote earlier. I didn't see it as I was busy elsewhere.

Piss off with your baseless and kneejerk assumption and gratuitous insult, EZ.

You saying the word non sequitur means nothing since you abuse it so very much. How do you like those apples, pearl clutcher?

You're an idiot who hasn't a clue to the meaning of non sequitur. However, ever hopeful that the ignorant youth are able to learn, a conclusion of lack of reading comprehension does not follow the facts.

Get a clue, moron. If you actually understood a thing about critical thinking and didn't emotionally recoil at it, you would not look like the immature brat that you are.

 

[geauxtohell]

Or maybe some should go back to school so that they can understand non sequiturs. Just because I responded the way I did, does not mean that I don't comprehend what you wrote earlier. I didn't see it as I was busy elsewhere.

Piss off with your baseless and kneejerk assumption and gratuitous insult, EZ.

You saying the word non sequitur means nothing since you abuse it so very much. How do you like those apples, pearl clutcher?

You're an idiot who hasn't a clue to the meaning of non sequitur. However, ever hopeful that the ignorant youth are able to learn, a conclusion of lack of reading comprehension does not follow the facts.

Get a clue, moron. If you actually understood a thing about critical thinking and didn't emotionally recoil at it, you would not look like the immature brat that you are.

(points)

"Oh! Oh! Oh! Kneejerk! Kneejerk!"

 

[Si modo]

You saying the word non sequitur means nothing since you abuse it so very much. How do you like those apples, pearl clutcher?

You're an idiot who hasn't a clue to the meaning of non sequitur. However, ever hopeful that the ignorant youth are able to learn, a conclusion of lack of reading comprehension does not follow the facts.

Get a clue, moron. If you actually understood a thing about critical thinking and didn't emotionally recoil at it, you would not look like the immature brat that you are.

(points)

"Oh! Oh! Oh! Kneejerk! Kneejerk!"

I admit to assuming EZ's comment was to me and EZ has already said she was talking to another, and that differentiates me from a hell of a lot of others in this thread who haven't the integrity nor the maturity to do so.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

My 14 yo is studying terrorism in social studies right now. She showed me this site, I found it very interesting. My, how times change!

Ronald Reagan, Proclamation 5034—Afghanistan Day, 1983

The problem is that that site added words to the true text....

your child should be encouraged to vet shit like this.

The tragedy of Afghanistan continues as the valiant and courageous Afghan freedom fighters [The Taliban]persevere in standing up against the brutal power of the Soviet invasion and occupation.

vs the true text

The tragedy of Afghanistan continues as the valiant and courageous Afghan freedom fighters persevere in standing up against the brutal power of the Soviet invasion and occupation.

I am no fan of Reagan, but...Reagan praised the Mujahideen and not the Taliban, as "freedom fighters."

save your child from a critical thinking deficit and save that child the embarrassment of being lazy minded: Mujahideen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[random3434]

My 14 yo is studying terrorism in social studies right now. She showed me this site, I found it very interesting. My, how times change!

Ronald Reagan, Proclamation 5034—Afghanistan Day, 1983

The problem is that that site added words to the true text....

your child should be encouraged to vet shit like this.

The tragedy of Afghanistan continues as the valiant and courageous Afghan freedom fighters [The Taliban]persevere in standing up against the brutal power of the Soviet invasion and occupation.

vs the true text

The tragedy of Afghanistan continues as the valiant and courageous Afghan freedom fighters persevere in standing up against the brutal power of the Soviet invasion and occupation.

I am no fan of Reagan, but...Reagan praised the Mujahideen and not the Taliban, as "freedom fighters."

save your child from a critical thinking deficit and save that child the embarrassment of being lazy minded: Mujahideen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Thanks. We've established the fact that wasn't a good link for her to learn from. The fact that she looked this up on her own because she wants to learn more is a start. I will give her that link you sent too.

 

[Toro]

My 14 yo is studying terrorism in social studies right now.

Oh that's dispicable!!!

Indoctrination at it's WORST!!!!

What...are they teaching her how to wire herself up?

Next, they will teach her about the pleasures of lesbianism!!!

JenT was right!

 

[random3434]

My 14 yo is studying terrorism in social studies right now.

Oh that's dispicable!!!

Indoctrination at it's WORST!!!!

What...are they teaching her how to wire herself up?

Next, they will teach her about the pleasures of lesbianism!!!

JenT was right!

 

[JakeStarkey]

I swear, I think some of you need to go back to school and take reading comprehension 101.

Or maybe some should go back to school so that they can understand non sequiturs. Just because I responded the way I did, does not mean that I don't comprehend what you wrote earlier. I didn't see it as I was busy elsewhere.

Piss off with your baseless and kneejerk assumption and gratuitous insult, EZ.

si modo often is a walking non sequitur of life, often simply not understanding that which is just beyond the very limited and distorted boundaries of the si modo universe. I am not being mean when I write this: it is the absolute truth.

 

[Si modo]

I swear, I think some of you need to go back to school and take reading comprehension 101.

Or maybe some should go back to school so that they can understand non sequiturs. Just because I responded the way I did, does not mean that I don't comprehend what you wrote earlier. I didn't see it as I was busy elsewhere.

Piss off with your baseless and kneejerk assumption and gratuitous insult, EZ.

si modo often is a walking non sequitur of life, often simply not understanding that which is just beyond the very limited and distorted boundaries of the si modo universe. I am not being mean when I write this: it is the absolute truth.

Spark one up, Jake. It will all be OK in the morning when you spark up another.

 

[mdn2000]

My 14 yo is studying terrorism in social studies right now. She showed me this site, I found it very interesting. My, how times change!

What's so interesting? We supported the Red Chinese during WW II against the Japaneese. We actually sold them missle technology so they could build ICBMS that could reach N. America AND carry nukes.

Clinton embraced Hafaz Assad.

Nothing new here, just another attempt by the teacher's unions to blame reagan for 9/11.

Next....

Reagan, the teacher is not interested in teaching history, the teacher is teaching Marxism, first step is to teach that Conservatives/Capitalist were bad and what a better starting point than Reagan. The tactic is simple, state an idea in class and ask the student to google the answer. The Liberal/Marxist pay google to put their propaganda at the top of the google search results so the student finds the "answer" reinforcing the teachers Marxist ideas.

The Taliban are Sunni Moslems, Just like Kalem is Sunni Moslem. The people Reagan supported were not the hardcore Sunni Moslems that are the Taliban.

Chiang Kai-Shek, was not the Red Chinese. We supported Chiang Kai-Shek.

Stalin supported Mao Tse-Tung during WW II

It is no wonder morons voted for Obama and have no idea Obama is a Marxist.

Basic facts of history the Liberal/Marxist do not even know. I bet the Liberal/Marxist is so uneducated that they do not even realize they are participating in a Marxist movement.

Wake up and get an education, everything you liberals post is a lie, propaganda, completely false.

 

[RadiomanATL]

My 14 yo is studying terrorism in social studies right now.

Next, they will teach her about the pleasures of lesbianism!!!

I was going to make a smartass comment here, but then I remembered two things.

 

[RadiomanATL]

I swear, I think some of you need to go back to school and take reading comprehension 101.

Eh? What was that? I gots boobs on the brain.

 

[midcan5]

Is it any wonder we are loved and hated. We have gotten into the politics and dynamics of so many nations it is just bewildering. The Carter administration started this support, who knew that it would empower the lunatics. Chomsky irritates the status quo and the conservative MSM, but he details well the many adventures that cause history to be this confusing paradox.

chomsky.info : The Noam Chomsky Website

The Footnotes to Understanding Power

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[rightwinger]

"The enemy of my enemy is my friend"

This is how we were allies with the Soviet Union in WWII

 

[dsanthony]

Whether this excrement was found on the internet or in the classroom, it is typical of the left's attempt to discredit reagan and destroy the conservative legacy . reagan is cast as a bad guy in most school textbooks, if he is covered at all. king, gorbachev and clinton usually get twice the column length of reagan.

 

[mdn2000]

Marxist and their adoration of Chomsky,

Talk about making it easy to show how hateful and ignorant liberals are all they need do is to start speaking of Chomsky.

Why not just cite the history from you using your own wisdom, so many people show Chomsky to be a hateful bigot all I need do cut and paste, not much fun. Why not state what you think and I can show how easy it is to prove the truth.

FrontPage Magazine - The Sick Mind of Noam Chomsky

The Sick Mind of Noam Chomsky
By: David Horowitz
FrontPageMagazine.com | Wednesday, September 26, 2001




WITHOUT QUESTION, the most devious, the most dishonest and -- in this hour of his nation’s grave crisis – the most treacherous intellect in America belongs to MIT professor Noam Chomsky. On the 150 campuses that have mounted "teach-ins" and rallies against America’s right to defend herself; on the streets of Genoa and Seattle where "anti-globalist" anarchists have attacked the symbols of markets and world trade; among the demonstrators at Vieques who wish to deny our military its training grounds; and wherever young people manifest an otherwise incomprehensible rage against their country, the inspirer of their loathing and the instructor of their hate is most likely this man.

[For forty years, Noam Chomsky has turned out book after book, pamphlet after pamphlet and speech after speech with one message, and one message alone: America is the Great Satan; it is the fount of evil in the world. In Chomsky’s demented universe, America is responsible not only for its own bad deeds, but for the bad deeds of others, including those of the terrorists who struck the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. In this attitude he is the medium for all those who now search the ruins of Manhattan not for the victims and the American dead, but for the "root causes" of the catastrophe that befell them.

/QUOTE]

The theology that Chomsky preaches is Manichean, with America as its evil principle. For Chomsky no evil however great can exceed that of America, and America is also the cause of evil in others. This is the key to the mystery of September 11: The devil made them do it. In every one of the 150 shameful demonstrations that took place on America’s campuses on September 20, these were the twin themes of those who agitated to prevent America from taking up arms in her self-defense: America is responsible for the "root causes" of this criminal attack; America has done worse to others.


In his first statement on the terrorist attack, Chomsky’s response to Osama bin Laden’s calculated strike on a building containing 50,000 innocent human beings was to eclipse it with an even greater atrocity he was confident he could attribute to former president Bill Clinton. Chomsky’s infamous September 12 statement "On the Bombings" began:


The terrorist attacks were major atrocities. In scale they may not reach the level of many others, for example, Clinton’s bombing of the Sudan with no credible pretext, destroying half its pharmaceutical supplies and killing unknown numbers of people (no one knows, because the US blocked an inquiry at the UN and no one cares to pursue it).(4)


Observe the syntax. The opening reference to the actual attacks is clipped and bloodless, a kind of rhetorical throat clearing for Chomsky to get out of the way, so that he can announce the real subject of his concern – America’s crimes. The accusation against Clinton is even slipped into the text, weasel fashion, as though it were a modifier, when it is actually the substantive message itself. It is a message that says: Look away, America, from the injury that has been done to you, and contemplate the injuries you have done to them. It is in this sleight of hand that Chomsky reveals his true gift, which is to make the victim, America, appear as an even more heinous perpetrator than the criminal himself. However bad this may seem, you have done worse.


In point of fact – and just for the record – however ill-conceived Bill Clinton’s decision to launch a missile into the Sudan, it was not remotely comparable to the World Trade Center massacre. It was, in its very design, precisely the opposite – a defensive response that attempted to minimize casualties. Clinton’s missile was launched in reaction to the blowing up of two of our African embassies, the murder of hundreds of innocent people and the injury to thousands, mostly African civilians. It was designed with every precaution possible to prevent the loss of innocent life. The missile was fired at night, so that no one would be in the building when it was hit. The target was selected because the best information available indicated it was not a pharmaceutical factory, but a factory producing biological weapons. Chomsky’s use of this incident to diminish the monstrosity of the terrorist attack is a typical Chomsky maneuver, an accurate measure of his instinctive mendacity, and an index of the anti-American dementia, which infuses everything he writes and says.


This same psychotic hatred shapes the "historical" perspective he offered to his disciples in an interview conducted a few days after the World Trade Center bombing. It was intended to present America as the devil incarnate – and therefore a worthy target of attack for the guerilla forces of "social justice" all over the world. This was the first time America itself – or as Chomsky put it the "national territory" – had been attacked since the War of 1812. Pearl Harbor doesn’t count in Chomsky’s calculus because Hawaii was a "colony" at the time. The fact that it was a benignly run colony and that it is now a proud state of the Union counts for nothing, of course, in Chomsky’s eyes.


During these years [i.e., between 1812 and 1941], the US annihilated the indigenous population (millions of people), conquered half of Mexico, intervened violently in the surrounding region, conquered Hawaii and the Philippines (killing hundreds of thousands of Filipinos), and in the past half century particularly, extended its resort to force throughout much of the world. The number of victims is colossal. For the first time, the guns have been directed the other way. That is a dramatic change.(5)


Listening to Chomsky, you can almost feel the justice of Osama bin Laden’s strike on the World Trade Center.


If you were one of the hundreds of thousands of young people who had been exposed to his propaganda – and the equally vile teachings of his academic disciples – you too would be able to extend your outrage against America into the present.



According to Chomsky, in the first battle of the postwar struggle with the Soviet Empire, "the United States was picking up where the Nazis had left off."



According to Chomsky, during the Cold War, American operations behind the Iron Curtain included "a ‘secret army’ under US-Nazi auspices that sought to provide agents and military supplies to armies that had been established by Hitler and which were still operating inside the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe through the early 1950s."



According to Chomsky, in Latin America during the Cold War, U.S. support for legitimate governments against Communist subversion led to US complicity under John F. Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson, in "the methods of Heinrich Himmler’s extermination squads."



According to Chomsky, there is "a close correlation worldwide between torture and U.S. aid."



According to Chomsky, America "invaded" Vietnam to slaughter its people, and even after America left in 1975, under Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan, "the major policy goal of the US has been to maximize repression and suffering in the countries that were devastated by our violence. The degree of the cruelty is quite astonishing." (6)



According to Chomsky, "the pretext for Washington’s terrorist wars [i.e., in Nicaragua, El Salvador, Chile, Guatemala, Iraq, etc.] was self-defense, the standard official justification for just about any monstrous act, even the Nazi Holocaust." (7)



In sum, according to Chomsky, "legally speaking, there’s a very solid case for impeaching every American president since the Second World War. They’ve all been either outright war criminals or involved in serious war crimes."(8)


What decent, caring human being would not want to see America and its war criminals brought to justice?


According to Chomsky, what America really wants is to steal from the poor and give to the rich. America’s crusade against Communism was actually a crusade "to protect our doctrine that the rich should plunder the poor."(9) That is why we busied ourselves in launching a new crusade against terrorism after the end of the Cold War:


Of course, the end of the Cold War brings its problems too. Notably, the technique for controlling the domestic population has had to shift… New enemies have to be invented. It becomes hard to disguise the fact that the real enemy has always been ‘the poor who seek to plunder the rich’ – in particular, Third World miscreants who seek to break out of the service role.(10)


According to Chomsky, America is afraid of the success of Third World countries and does not want them to succeed on their own. Those who threaten to succeed like the Marxist governments of North Vietnam, Nicaragua and Grenada America regards as viruses. According to Chomsky, during the Cold War, "except for a few madmen and nitwits, none feared [Communist] conquest – they were afraid of a positive example of successful development. "What do you do when you have a virus? First you destroy it, then you inoculate potential victims, so that the disease does not spread. That’s basically the US strategy in the Third World.".(11)


No wonder they want to bomb us.


Schooled in these big lies, taught to see America as Greed Incarnate and a political twin of the Third Reich, why wouldn’t young people – with no historical memory – come to believe that the danger ahead lies in Washington rather than Baghdad or Kabul?


It would be easy to demonstrate how on every page of every book and in every statement that Chomsky has written the facts are twisted, the political context is distorted (and often inverted) and the historical record is systematically traduced. Every piece of evidence and every analysis is subordinated to the overweening purpose of Chomsky’s lifework, which is to justify an idée fixe – his pathological hatred of his own country.


It would take volumes, however, to do this and there really is no need. Because every Chomsky argument exists to serve this end, a fact transparent in each offensive and preposterous claim he makes. Hence, the invidious comparison of Clinton’s misguided missile and the monstrous World Trade Center attack.

I did not quote the whole article, its there to read, I could go point for point with anyone who supports chomsky, so many others much smarter than me have already done the work.

Its amazing that people can be so easily deceived, its scary that people can be so easily convinced, human nature loves the perverted, the sinister, its human nature to gossip, its human nature to be lazy and not do the work it takes to learn the truth, hence chomsky's job is easy, people naturally tend to beleive the worst.

 

[Article 15]

I just wish they'd start showing Rambo III on TV again. Pre-9/11 that shit was on all the time but since 9/11 I haven't seen it on TV once.

And that movie kicked some serious ass!

 

[Toro]

I swear, I think some of you need to go back to school and take reading comprehension 101.

Some?