Ron Paul Winning Converts

[Seraega]

The more fundamental problem you have is that that nation is dominated by liberals.

Run a candidate who proposes to ditch social net programs and see what happens.

I don't think this is necessarily true. Many of Dr. Paul's biggest supporters were in the 18-35 crowd, which is exactly where a forward thinking party should be directing their campaign efforts. Sooner or later the AARP crowd is going to die off and what matters is who wins the fight for the next generation. I think the liberals have clearly won Round 1 with Obama, but it remains to be seen who is going to win the war. Unless Obama is successful in getting us addicted to massive social programs and turning us into Europe I think the Dems are going to be in trouble. A patchwork system is going to infuriate the detractors and supporters alike. He's getting a lot of this criticism now. The right views him as a socialist, and the real socialists are shaking their head because they know he's not.

If you think the "me generation" the "pass the buck generation" aka the boomers are going to voluntarily vote down their retirement and health care benefits ... well that's a bet I'd take and give you good odds. The AARP crowd is going to be growing, not shrinking.

I'm under no delusion that they will vote against their interest. I was referring to a time in the future after the majority of them are deceased or locked up in an old folks home.

 

[ItsFairmont]

Sure, Ron Paul is great, but the Republican Party is run by Rush Limbaugh and everyone knows it.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Ron Paul's appearance on Rachel Maddow's show.

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[sealybobo]

Ron Paul's appearance on Rachel Maddow's show.

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I got this email:

Dear Friend of Liberty,

With each passing day, Ron Paul is winning people over to the cause of Federal Reserve transparency and sound money.

More and more Congressmen have been signing onto Dr. Paul’s Audit the Fed bill, HR 1207, and it is now up to a whopping 124 cosponsors.

That cosponsor list now includes over half of the House Republican Caucus. Dr. Paul is truly leading the GOP back to its roots of sound money and fiscal conservatism.


Kevin, I would like to know who hasn't signed this bill. Not to pick on Republicans, but why have only half of them signed on to this? What is it that half of them get that the other half don't? And why aren't the Democrats on board?

The answer can only be THE CITIZENS they represent. If some politician is getting money from the bankers, and their constituents don't care about this, then they have the luxury of ignoring this issue. The people need to tell their officials that this is important. I'm going to tell Levin and Stabinow now via email. Later.

 

[sealybobo]

Ron Paul's appearance on Rachel Maddow's show.

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I also want to ask, how did Rachel Maddow treat Dr. Paul? Fair? Because Glen Beck treated him like he was a monkey. After Ron Paul won the debates and the GOP banned him from participating in any more debates, Dr. Paul went on Glen Beck's CNN show. Glen Beck was literally rolling his eyes at what Ron Paul had to say.

Now watch. Because the GOP needs a new identity, they'll start agreeing with Ron Paul. That's not a bad thing. This is what we wanted. We didn't vote out the GOP to banish them forever. We wanted to send them a message that they suck and need to change.

I may not like Republicans, but I like having 2 strong parties competing against each other. One party rule is no good.

 

[Iriemon]

Ron Paul's appearance on Rachel Maddow's show.

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I got this email:

Dear Friend of Liberty,

With each passing day, Ron Paul is winning people over to the cause of Federal Reserve transparency and sound money.

More and more Congressmen have been signing onto Dr. Paul’s Audit the Fed bill, HR 1207, and it is now up to a whopping 124 cosponsors.

That cosponsor list now includes over half of the House Republican Caucus. Dr. Paul is truly leading the GOP back to its roots of sound money and fiscal conservatism.


Kevin, I would like to know who hasn't signed this bill. Not to pick on Republicans, but why have only half of them signed on to this? What is it that half of them get that the other half don't? And why aren't the Democrats on board?

The answer can only be THE CITIZENS they represent. If some politician is getting money from the bankers, and their constituents don't care about this, then they have the luxury of ignoring this issue. The people need to tell their officials that this is important. I'm going to tell Levin and Stabinow now via email. Later.

As far as I can tell, the major reason for the bill is to force Fed deliberations on money policy to be public. I'm not sure that is a good idea, because the ramification of statements made in deliberation could have very adverse effects, and so the effect of make deliberations public would prevent board members from franking expressing their views.

For example, if the board meets and a prominent member says, "Oh my god the economy is doomed we gotta cut intereset rates or we are heading for a depression" that statement would probably cause the markets to crash.

What do you think? Do you think all government deliberations should be public?

 

[editec]

Isn't eliminating the Fed and return to the gold standard a biggie with Paul?

Sure, but your insinuation that the gold standard platform would somehow hurt the GOP's chances in '12 was kind of ridiculous since the amount of people who actually understand monetary policy is not nearly enough to sway a national vote.

Like I said, all that really matters to the electorate at large is who's wearing what designer, and what kind of dog they'll be getting.

Is there enough gold in the world to support the amount of money needed to run the economy?

No.

 

[Iriemon]

I don't think this is necessarily true. Many of Dr. Paul's biggest supporters were in the 18-35 crowd, which is exactly where a forward thinking party should be directing their campaign efforts. Sooner or later the AARP crowd is going to die off and what matters is who wins the fight for the next generation. I think the liberals have clearly won Round 1 with Obama, but it remains to be seen who is going to win the war. Unless Obama is successful in getting us addicted to massive social programs and turning us into Europe I think the Dems are going to be in trouble. A patchwork system is going to infuriate the detractors and supporters alike. He's getting a lot of this criticism now. The right views him as a socialist, and the real socialists are shaking their head because they know he's not.

If you think the "me generation" the "pass the buck generation" aka the boomers are going to voluntarily vote down their retirement and health care benefits ... well that's a bet I'd take and give you good odds. The AARP crowd is going to be growing, not shrinking.

I'm under no delusion that they will vote against their interest. I was referring to a time in the future after the majority of them are deceased or locked up in an old folks home.

We will be back in the era of 70% top tax rates well before then.

 

[sealybobo]

Ron Paul's appearance on Rachel Maddow's show.

[youtube]gDR0OxVdsAo[/youtube]

I got this email:

Dear Friend of Liberty,

With each passing day, Ron Paul is winning people over to the cause of Federal Reserve transparency and sound money.

More and more Congressmen have been signing onto Dr. Paul’s Audit the Fed bill, HR 1207, and it is now up to a whopping 124 cosponsors.

That cosponsor list now includes over half of the House Republican Caucus. Dr. Paul is truly leading the GOP back to its roots of sound money and fiscal conservatism.


Kevin, I would like to know who hasn't signed this bill. Not to pick on Republicans, but why have only half of them signed on to this? What is it that half of them get that the other half don't? And why aren't the Democrats on board?

The answer can only be THE CITIZENS they represent. If some politician is getting money from the bankers, and their constituents don't care about this, then they have the luxury of ignoring this issue. The people need to tell their officials that this is important. I'm going to tell Levin and Stabinow now via email. Later.

As far as I can tell, the major reason for the bill is to force Fed deliberations on money policy to be public. I'm not sure that is a good idea, because the ramification of statements made in deliberation could have very adverse effects, and so the effect of make deliberations public would prevent board members from franking expressing their views.

For example, if the board meets and a prominent member says, "Oh my god the economy is doomed we gotta cut intereset rates or we are heading for a depression" that statement would probably cause the markets to crash.

What do you think? Do you think all government deliberations should be public?

I think we're tough enough to take the truth. And, they can be careful with their words.

Anyways, that is not the major reason for this bill. The major reason for this bill is that in 1913 the richest men in the country bribed our Senators to give them control of the Federal Reserve and they also made the income tax permanent. The Federal Reserve is a quasi private institution. So private bankers own/run it. Some aren't even Americans.

Same guys, Rockafellor, JP Morgan, etc, started Standard Oil. That too had to be broken up. But when we made Rockafellor break up his oil company, he got stock in all the spin offs and it made him the richest man in the country.

You trust these greedy ruthless men to run our treasury? I don't.

And they took all our gold. So now, instead of our money being backed by gold, it is only worth what you think it is worth. Don't believe it? Well thats why we want the audit.

Ron Paul, and many of us, want to abolish the Federal Reserve. If we can't abolish it, then we want transparency. We want our politicians to grow a set of balls and stand up to these bankers. I believe they caused this recession and they also caused the Great Depression. Have you ever read about the Guilded Age?

Seriously, you need to watch Freedom to Fascism. I can't explain it as well as Aaron Russo does in that documentary.

 

[sealybobo]

Sure, but your insinuation that the gold standard platform would somehow hurt the GOP's chances in '12 was kind of ridiculous since the amount of people who actually understand monetary policy is not nearly enough to sway a national vote.

Like I said, all that really matters to the electorate at large is who's wearing what designer, and what kind of dog they'll be getting.

Is there enough gold in the world to support the amount of money needed to run the economy?

No.

Oh get over this point. Fine, so it won't be backed by gold. Fine!

Stay focused on taking back the Federal Reserve from the bankers that fucked us over the last 8 years. Hell, last 200 years probably.

ps.

The nation had few taxes in its early history. From 1791 to 1802, the United States government was supported by internal taxes on distilled spirits, carriages, refined sugar, tobacco and snuff, property sold at auction, corporate bonds, and slaves.

And I'm sure Republicans, or Federalists as they were called back then, complained that taxing these things would raise prices and lead to layoffs.

So remember what I said. People should not be taxed on their labor. PERIOD! Corporations, tariffs, sales taxes, property taxes, road taxes, etc are all fine.

But the income tax must go.

Meanwhile, right wingers want to get rid of all corporate taxes and they want to put the burden on us.

 

[GHook93]

Something crazy and fresh like the gold standard is exactly what the GOP needs, frankly. What better way to curb liberal spending than to take away the main ability to spend infinitely?

Not that the pussies in charge would ever consider it though, among all OTHER things they could consider for some bold fresh ideas. This, incidentally, is why they will probably remain the minority. Not to mention, the GOP is controlled by liberals.

It's definitely something that could revitalize the Republican Party, but it would also curb conservative spending so it's not likely to gain any ground among the neo-cons.

Also, Ron Paul is going to be on Rachel Maddow's show tonight at 9 p.m. eastern to discuss this article I believe.

The biggest problem RP had with neo-cons during the election was his strong opposition to the Iraq war! In 2012 that won't be an issue at all!

 

[GHook93]

Something crazy and fresh like the gold standard is exactly what the GOP needs, frankly. What better way to curb liberal spending than to take away the main ability to spend infinitely?

Not that the pussies in charge would ever consider it though, among all OTHER things they could consider for some bold fresh ideas. This, incidentally, is why they will probably remain the minority. Not to mention, the GOP is controlled by liberals.

The more fundamental problem you have is that that nation is dominated by liberals.

Run a candidate who proposes to ditch social net programs and see what happens.

I don't think this is necessarily true. Many of Dr. Paul's biggest supporters were in the 18-35 crowd, which is exactly where a forward thinking party should be directing their campaign efforts. Sooner or later the AARP crowd is going to die off and what matters is who wins the fight for the next generation. I think the liberals have clearly won Round 1 with Obama, but it remains to be seen who is going to win the war. Unless Obama is successful in getting us addicted to massive social programs and turning us into Europe I think the Dems are going to be in trouble. A patchwork system is going to infuriate the detractors and supporters alike. He's getting a lot of this criticism now. The right views him as a socialist, and the real socialists are shaking their head because they know he's not.

Very true the man seemed like the only R candidate that could energize the youth of America. However, most youthful voters know little about candidates. I think they like him because of his strong opposition against the war.

 

[GHook93]

Ron Paul is a smart man! He has the right ideas on cutting spending, protecting the borders and ports, taxes and many other things.

However, the man is 74 meaning he will be 77 in 2012. In 2016 he will be 81. At those ages, no person could handle the stresses the Presidency brings. RP supporters you will have to find someone else as your messiah

 

[sealybobo]

Something crazy and fresh like the gold standard is exactly what the GOP needs, frankly. What better way to curb liberal spending than to take away the main ability to spend infinitely?

Not that the pussies in charge would ever consider it though, among all OTHER things they could consider for some bold fresh ideas. This, incidentally, is why they will probably remain the minority. Not to mention, the GOP is controlled by liberals.

It's definitely something that could revitalize the Republican Party, but it would also curb conservative spending so it's not likely to gain any ground among the neo-cons.

Also, Ron Paul is going to be on Rachel Maddow's show tonight at 9 p.m. eastern to discuss this article I believe.

The biggest problem RP had with neo-cons during the election was his strong opposition to the Iraq war! In 2012 that won't be an issue at all!

No. The biggest problem the GOP has with Ron Paul is that Ron Paul works for the people and the GOP works for the bankers who own this country.

The bankers have the GOP in their pockets. They also have the Dems in their pockets.

Watch Freedom to Fascism and it will lay out how the bankers took over our country by bribing congress in 1913, and how every president knows this and none of them have ever had the balls to speak out. Someone said Kennedy tried and we see what happened to him.

"The few who understand the system, will either be so interested from it's profits or so dependant on it's favors, that there will be no opposition from that class." — Rothschild Brothers of London, 1863

"Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes it's laws" — Mayer Amschel Bauer Rothschild

 

[sealybobo]

If you think the "me generation" the "pass the buck generation" aka the boomers are going to voluntarily vote down their retirement and health care benefits ... well that's a bet I'd take and give you good odds. The AARP crowd is going to be growing, not shrinking.

I'm under no delusion that they will vote against their interest. I was referring to a time in the future after the majority of them are deceased or locked up in an old folks home.

We will be back in the era of 70% top tax rates well before then.

"Most Americans have no real understanding of the operation of the international money lenders. The accounts of the Federal Reserve System have never been audited. It operates outside the control of Congress and manipulates the credit of the United States" — Sen. Barry Goldwater (Rep. AR)

"This [Federal Reserve Act] establishes the most gigantic trust on earth. When the President [Wilson} signs this bill, the invisible government of the monetary power will be legalized....the worst legislative crime of the ages is perpetrated by this banking and currency bill." — Charles A. Lindbergh, Sr. , 1913

"From now on, depressions will be scientifically created." — Congressman Charles A.
Lindbergh Sr. , 1913

"The financial system has been turned over to the Federal Reserve Board. That Board as ministers the finance system by authority of a purely profiteering group. The system is Private, conducted for the sole purpose of obtaining the greatest possible profits from the use of other people's money" -- Charles A. Lindbergh Sr., 1923

"The Federal Reserve bank buys government bonds without one penny..." — Congressman
Wright Patman, Congressional Record, Sept 30, 1941

"We have, in this country, one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever known. I refer to the Federal Reserve Board. This evil institution has impoverished the people of the United States and has practically bankrupted our government. It has done this through the corrupt practices of the moneyed vultures who control it". — Congressman Louis T. McFadden in 1932 (Rep. Pa)

"The Federal Reserve banks are one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever seen.
There is not a man within the sound of my voice who does not know that this nation is run by the
International bankers — Congressman Louis T. McFadden (Rep. Pa)

"Some people think the Federal Reserve Banks are the United States government's institutions.
They are not government institutions. They are private credit monopolies which prey upon the people of the United States for the benefit of themselves and their foreign swindlers" — Congressional Record 12595-12603 — Louis T. McFadden, Chairman of the Committee on Banking and Currency (12 years) June 10, 1932

"I have never seen more Senators express discontent with their jobs....I think the major cause is that, deep down in our hearts, we have been accomplices in doing something terrible and unforgivable to our wonderful country. Deep down in our heart, we know that we have given our children a legacy of bankruptcy. We have defrauded our country to get ourselves elected." — John Danforth (R-Mo)

"These 12 corporations together cover the whole country and monopolize and use for private
gain every dollar of the public currency..." — Mr. Crozier of Cincinnati, before Senate Banking and Currency Committee - 1913

"The [Federal Reserve Act] as it stands seems to me to open the way to a vast inflation of the
currency... I do not like to think that any law can be passed that will make it possible to submerge the gold standard in a flood of irredeemable paper currency." — Henry Cabot Lodge Sr., 1913

 

[sealybobo]

Ron Paul's appearance on Rachel Maddow's show.

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"When you or I write a check there must be sufficient funds in out account to cover the check,
but when the Federal Reserve writes a check there is no bank deposit on which that check is drawn. When the Federal Reserve writes a check, it is creating money." — Putting it simply, Boston Federal Reserve Bank

"Neither paper currency nor deposits have value as commodities, intrinsically, a 'dollar' bill is just
a piece of paper. Deposits are merely book entries." — Modern Money Mechanics Workbook,
Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago, 1975

"The Federal Reserve system pays the U.S. Treasury 020.60 per thousand notes --a little over
2 cents each-- without regard to the face value of the note. Federal Reserve Notes, incidentally, are the only type of currency now produced for circulation. They are printed exclusively by the
Treasury's Bureau of Engraving and Printing, and the $20.60 per thousand price reflects the Bureau's full cost of production. Federal Reserve Notes are printed in 01, 02, 05, 10, 20, 50, and 100 dollar denominations only; notes of 500, 1000, 5000, and 10,000 denominations were last printed in 1945." —Donald J. Winn, Assistant to the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve system

"We are completely dependant on the commercial banks. Someone has to borrow every dollar
we have in circulation, cash or credit. If the banks create ample synthetic money we are prosperous; if not, we starve. We are absolutely without a permanent money system.... It is the most important subject intelligent persons can investigate and reflect upon. It is so important that our present civilization may collapse unless it becomes widely understood and the defects remedied very soon." — Robert H. Hamphill, Atlanta Federal Reserve Bank



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From General Law

"The entire taxing and monetary systems are hereby placed under the U.C.C. (Uniform
Commercial Code)" — The Federal Tax Lien Act of 1966

"There is a distinction between a 'debt discharged' and a debt 'paid'. When discharged, the debt
still exists though divested of it's charter as a legal obligation during the operation of the discharge, something of the original vitality of the debt continues to exist, which may be transferred, even though the transferee takes it subject to it's disability incident to the discharge." —Stanek vs. White, 172 Minn.390, 215 N.W. 784

"The Federal Reserve Banks are not federal instrumentalities..." — Lewis vs. United States
9th Circuit 1992

"The regional Federal Reserve banks are not government agencies. ...but are independent,
privately owned and locally controlled corporations." — Lewis vs. United States, 680 F. 2d 1239
9th Circuit 1982


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Past Presidents, not including the Founding Fathers

"Whoever controls the volume of money in any country is absolute master of all industry and
commerce." — James A. Garfield, President of the United States

"A great industrial nation is controlled by it's system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the world--no longer a government of free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of small groups of dominant men." — President Woodrow Wilson



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Founding Father's Quotes on Banking (Maybe some repeats from "Founding Father's Quotes" / Information tends to converge)

Thomas Jefferson
"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies.
Already they have raised up a monied aristocracy that has set the government at defiance. The
issuing power (of money) should be taken away from the banks and restored to the people to
whom it properly belongs." — Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President.

Andrew Jackson
"If Congress has the right [it doesn't] to issue paper money [currency], it was given to them to be used by...[the government] and not to be delegated to individuals or corporations" — President Andrew Jackson, Vetoed Bank Bill of 1836

James Madison
"History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling money and it's issuance." — James Madison


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[jillian]

Very true the man seemed like the only R candidate that could energize the youth of America. However, most youthful voters know little about candidates. I think they like him because of his strong opposition against the war.

the paulies kept telling us that. but the truth is that Obama energized the youth vote, not Paul.

paul's all hype. and his desciples keep telling us how popular he is, but the guy never moved off of square one.

And it really troubles me that anyone thinks he knows anything about the Constitution. As a legal analyst, he should have stuck to medicine.

And even if I didn't feel that way, I'd still say the guy is a hypocrite.

He's soooooooooo for term limits that he spent how many years in congress?

and he's soooooooooooooooooooo against earmarks that he constantly took them for his district... saying "well, if everyone else does it......"

And let's not even start on his naivete in both economics and international affairs.

 

[editec]

Ron Paul was rejected by the NEO cons for two reasons...

1. He thinks for himself

2. Much of what he says is true and rips the veil off the lie that this nation is run by honest men and women seeking what is best for this nation.

I cannot get behind much of what the man envisions for this nation, but he's often spot on explaining why it's so fucked up.

He is complainting in large part about what the far right and far left has been complaining about for the last 50 years.

Nothing he is say is really new, even though it seems apparent that it seems new to many of his supporters.

 

[sealybobo]

Very true the man seemed like the only R candidate that could energize the youth of America. However, most youthful voters know little about candidates. I think they like him because of his strong opposition against the war.

paul's all hype. and his desciples keep telling us how popular he is, but the guy never moved off of square one.

And it really troubles me that anyone thinks he knows anything about the Constitution. As a legal analyst, he should have stuck to medicine.

And even if I didn't feel that way, I'd still say the guy is a hypocrite.

He's soooooooooo for term limits that he spent how many years in congress?

and he's soooooooooooooooooooo against earmarks that he constantly took them for his district... saying "well, if everyone else does it......"

And let's not even start on his naivete in both economics and international affairs.

1. He didn't get very far because the GOP blacklisted him for telling the truth.

2. I only think he has one thing right. The Federal Reserve needs to be abolished.

3. I don't like libertarians views of every man for himself. They seem to be darwin fans. In other words, they don't feel immoral when their free markets put people into poverty because thats natural. Survival of the fittest. The weak get eaten by the strong. Screw that.

4. Pork and term limits. You can't blame him for playing the game. He might want to change the rules, but until the rules change, you can't blame him for taking pork and running for re election.

5. I don't want him to win. I just want the Federal Reserve abolished, and he seems to be leading the way. This is the only reason I like him.

 

[jillian]

He was rejected by the repubs because his ideas are wacky.

And truly, I resent what he tells people the constitution means when he doesn't have a clue... not a single ounce of constitutional knowledge.

he might "think for himself", but he took his earmarks and stayed in his government job....

and, frankly, i think xenophobia and isolationism are dangerous.

it's one thing to define a problem, it's another to have a clue about how to solve it.