Ron Paul want's to terminate the Dept of...

[Wry Catcher]

The problem is quite simple, we expect every kid to attend college, and many have no interest in doing so. We need to change what we've been doing for the past 50 + years. Every kid needs to be able to read, write, compute (as in general math skills) and get along with others. This should be the goal of primary education (pre-school thru grade 4) along with making learning fun. We are born curious, by the time Johnny (or Joanie) is age six they've heard, "don't touch", "stop asking so many questions", "be quiet", "sit still" so most kids go along to get along. The ones that don't are "trouble makers" or "hyperactive" and get medicated, sat in the corner or sent to the principal.

As this topic has been threaded before I have no interest in chewing it again. The fact is, the Dept. of Ed. is not the problem, the problem is systemic to the way public school has functioned since Sputnik.

St. L wins on walk off by Freeze.

 

[Avorysuds]

The problem is quite simple, we expect every kid to attend college, and many have no interest in doing so. We need to change what we've been doing for the past 50 + years. Every kid needs to be able to read, write, compute (as in general math skills) and get along with others. This should be the goal of primary education (pre-school thru grade 4) along with making learning fun. We are born curious, by the time Johnny (or Joanie) is age six they've heard, "don't touch", "stop asking so many questions", "be quiet", "sit still" so most kids go along to get along. The ones that don't are "trouble makers" or "hyperactive" and get medicated, sat in the corner or sent to the principle.

As this topic has been threaded before I have no interest in chewing it again. The fact is, the Dept. of Ed. is not the problem, the problem is systemic to the way public school has functioned since Sputnik.

St. L wins on walk off by Freeze.

Thanks for your answer, I'm not here to tell you how to thing or demand you change your mind. I mainly just look to get people to put down their position and why in depth so I know they have at least thought it through, I admit I am fully aware I don't have all the right answers so I don't demand that of others.

 

[paulitician]

Agree. Let the States handle their own education systems. They'll do a much better job. Not all states are alike so they need flexibility. And public Teacher Unions should be abolished immediately. They're the single most destructive force in our Public Schools. It's all about them and their money. They stopped caring about the kids a long time ago. Personally i think all Government Unions should be abolished. I'm ok with some private unions but there never should have been Government Unions. They only screw the kids and taxpayers over every chance they get. Time for real changes in our public school system.

 

[Paulie]

The problem is quite simple, we expect every kid to attend college, and many have no interest in doing so. We need to change what we've been doing for the past 50 + years. Every kid needs to be able to read, write, compute (as in general math skills) and get along with others. This should be the goal of primary education (pre-school thru grade 4) along with making learning fun. We are born curious, by the time Johnny (or Joanie) is age six they've heard, "don't touch", "stop asking so many questions", "be quiet", "sit still" so most kids go along to get along. The ones that don't are "trouble makers" or "hyperactive" and get medicated, sat in the corner or sent to the principal.

As this topic has been threaded before I have no interest in chewing it again. The fact is, the Dept. of Ed. is not the problem, the problem is systemic to the way public school has functioned since Sputnik.

St. L wins on walk off by Freeze.

This is all very true, but the point is that the DOE's existence isn't doing a single thing to change any of this. It's a huge bureaucracy that has only overseen the progressive erosion of educational performance since its inception. So basically it's just a huge waste of money.

Instead of taxing more to compensate for the deficit that this expenditure is contributing to, get rid of it.

Government doesn't have the solution for EVERYTHING.

 

[pete]

...education & give the states sole dominion over education. Do you agree or disagree with Ron's proposal?

Agree ... stop "dumbing" down everything so others can pass too!!!

 

[CrusaderFrank]

American education has failed since the creation of Department of Education, it needs to be eliminated

 

[Paulie]

Well, who else in the field can we trust to actually go through with trying to accomplish this?

Paul who's submitted legislation continually during his career, which no one ever seems to want to sign on to and get out of committee? Or the others who pay lip service to it for votes?

Do you really trust an establishment politician to get this done, when it's obvious that the establishment has no intention of doing it?

 

[Paulie]

We had Bush and a republican congress and not a single fucking wedge issue was tackled. No progress on SS, gay marriage, abortion, NOTHING.

In fact, during that time the government EXPANDED its control over education with NCLB.

The republican establishment has no intention of doing any of these things.

So go ahead and choose another establishment candidate and don't cry about it when you once again get swindled.

 

[auditor0007]

The problem with the Department of Education is that we get so little back in return for the investment. Leave that money with the states and let them figure out the educational needs of their own citizens. I have no problem with that. There are some good arguments for keeping the DOE, but again, it comes down to cost and what we are getting for our investment, which to me is pretty much nothing.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Our system has been taken over and intentionally sabotaged to raise uneducated, under-educated idiots who think Socialism is cool and vote Democrat

 

[DiamondDave]

...education & give the states sole dominion over education. Do you agree or disagree with Ron's proposal?

Absolutely

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

 

[Two Thumbs]

...education & give the states sole dominion over education. Do you agree or disagree with Ron's proposal?

Totally agree, and history supports me and Paul.

Before the DOE, we were ranked in the top 5, year in and year out.
Since then, we are lucky to break into the teens. If I recall, we fell to 18th last year.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Of course I agree. Look how pathetic govt education is now.

 

[paulitician]

Individual States should absolutely run their own education systems. And they should abolish all Teacher Unions as well. They are the most destructive enemy destroying our Public School System. They hold our children and taxpayers hostage far too often. They work for us. We don't work for them.

 

[The Rabbi]

The problem with the Department of Education is that we get so little back in return for the investment. Leave that money with the states and let them figure out the educational needs of their own citizens. I have no problem with that. There are some good arguments for keeping the DOE, but again, it comes down to cost and what we are getting for our investment, which to me is pretty much nothing.

When people like myself, Frank, and Auditor all agree on something it must be the case.
The DoE must go.
I also agree with Wry that the foundational assumptions of the educational system are bad. The DoE is not the problem with education. But it isnt the solution either, and is simply a drag.

 

[truthsaga]

Agree 100%, why he's at it he should get rid of a lot more departments.

 

[CentristFiasco]

...education & give the states sole dominion over education. Do you agree or disagree with Ron's proposal?

That's it I'm done with this crappy forum.

 

[flacaltenn]

Agree 100%, why he's at it he should get rid of a lot more departments.

Heck Commerce ought to go BEFORE the DeptEd.. It's ground zero for GOVT/CORP collusion.. THat's it's CHARTER!!!!

There are 2 or 3 agencies inside that should be retained and transfered like Weights and Measures..

PS.. Sorry to see ya go CentristFiasco.. I've enjoyed some of your stuff. This is about breaking up the massive layers of control and admin that have very little to the TEACHERS or the STUDENTS.. Dollars into classrooms will improve life for both of those...

NOBODY liked NCLB especially the valuable part which was scientific testing and analysis of WHERE the major problems were. NOONE wanted to support the science of gathering data on student performance. They lied, they cheated, they claimed they had to "teach to the test".. ((That latter claim is ridiculous if you ever even LOOKED at the National test)).. Flush all that. Save the School nutrition office and some of the "social equity" programs if you like --- but the bulk of it is causing dysfunctional results.

 

[The Rabbi]

...education & give the states sole dominion over education. Do you agree or disagree with Ron's proposal?

That's it I'm done with this crappy forum.

We hate to see ya go.....

 

[WatertheTree]

Individual States should absolutely run their own education systems. And they should abolish all Teacher Unions as well. They are the most destructive enemy destroying our Public School System. They hold our children and taxpayers hostage far too often. They work for us. We don't work for them.

I would give the unions the choice to either be abolished or enable teachers to be fired for poor performance. Other then not being able to get rid of the freeloaders and I have no problem with the teachers union. They are teaching the future of the nation and should be well compensated.