Ron Paul To Obama & Romney: "Jerusalem Is The Capital Of Israel"...

[Paulie]

Isnt moving the embassy intervening?

No trying to force them have their capitol in a city of our choosing by refusing to move and comply with their wishes is intervening. Moving the embassy to the location they decide to make their capitol would be allowing them to excersize their sovreignty as they should be able to. Of course we don't have to move either we could just not have one and maybe they could pay for the new building and such since it was because it was their decision to move and since they owe us billions but those are just details. The crux of the matter is they should be able to relocate their embassy anywhere within their borders that they choose.

Currently our embassy is in Tel Aviv. Wouldnt Israel be forcing us to move our embassy, basically dictating our foreign policy?

You don't get it. It's Israel's decision what it chooses to do with matters on its soil. It's not about dictating our foreign policy, it's about Israel dictating its domestic policy and the US having no veto over that because it's not our country. If we are going to be guests in their country, we have no moral right to tell them how we're going to act on their own soil.

It's common knowledge that when you're a guest in someone's house, you treat their house and their wishes with respect. You don't go into someone else's house calling the shots.

 

[Crackerjack]

Ron Paul is kissing up to the Zionist entities that control this country. He is a sell-out.

Actually he is being consistent in his views, you should try it.

Don't count on it. He's not into that whole "consistency" thing.

 

[ThinkCritically]

Ron Paul is kissing up to the Zionist entities that control this country. He is a sell-out.

Actually he is being consistent in his views, you should try it.

Don't count on it. He's not into that whole "consistency" thing.

What does Perry have to do with anything?????

 

[JWBooth]

If the US wants an embassy there they would have to put it in the capitol decided on by the government of that country. If the us doesn't agree with that location then they don't have to put an embassy there. Simple really. They can try and work it out and the US can say what they want but in the end it should be up to Israel.

Yet in Israel the US Embassy is in Tel Aviv.

Is it not something of a tradition to place embassies where governments are?

 

[Crackerjack]

Actually he is being consistent in his views, you should try it.

Don't count on it. He's not into that whole "consistency" thing.

What does Perry have to do with anything?????

This predates your arrival on the board, but prior to Perry's exposing himself as an intellectual zero and flunking out of the GOP primary, Rabs was the board's resident Governor Zoolander fanboi.

 

[ThinkCritically]

It is kind of funny how Rabbi always finds himself in the Paul threads even though he hates him.....Its almost like he is a closet Paul supporter....

 

[The Rabbi]

It is kind of funny how Rabbi always finds himself in the Paul threads even though he hates him.....Its almost like he is a closet Paul supporter....

It's almost like I enjoy showing what tools the Paul-bots are. It's almost too easy, like fish in a barrel or something.

 

[The Rabbi]

No trying to force them have their capitol in a city of our choosing by refusing to move and comply with their wishes is intervening. Moving the embassy to the location they decide to make their capitol would be allowing them to excersize their sovreignty as they should be able to. Of course we don't have to move either we could just not have one and maybe they could pay for the new building and such since it was because it was their decision to move and since they owe us billions but those are just details. The crux of the matter is they should be able to relocate their embassy anywhere within their borders that they choose.

Currently our embassy is in Tel Aviv. Wouldnt Israel be forcing us to move our embassy, basically dictating our foreign policy?

No one is forcing us to have an embassy there. If we want an embassy there we should put it where they deem fit since it is their country. What if China came over and said they were putting their embassy in Chicago whether we liked it or not and said we should make that our capitol?

You understand Jerusalem is not Washington, right?

 

[Artevelde]

No trying to force them have their capitol in a city of our choosing by refusing to move and comply with their wishes is intervening. Moving the embassy to the location they decide to make their capitol would be allowing them to excersize their sovreignty as they should be able to. Of course we don't have to move either we could just not have one and maybe they could pay for the new building and such since it was because it was their decision to move and since they owe us billions but those are just details. The crux of the matter is they should be able to relocate their embassy anywhere within their borders that they choose.

Currently our embassy is in Tel Aviv. Wouldnt Israel be forcing us to move our embassy, basically dictating our foreign policy?

No one is forcing us to have an embassy there. If we want an embassy there we should put it where they deem fit since it is their country. What if China came over and said they were putting their embassy in Chicago whether we liked it or not and said we should make that our capitol?

You are confusing two issues. Israel can choose its capital freely. But The US Embassy in Israel is a US affair, not an Israeli affair.

 

[Artevelde]

If the US wants an embassy there they would have to put it in the capitol decided on by the government of that country. If the us doesn't agree with that location then they don't have to put an embassy there. Simple really. They can try and work it out and the US can say what they want but in the end it should be up to Israel.

Yet in Israel the US Embassy is in Tel Aviv.

Is it not something of a tradition to place embassies where governments are?

It is the normal practice, but there is no absolute rule.

Besides, capital city and seat of government are not necessarily the same thing. Amsterdam is the capital of the Netherlands, but The Hague is the seat of its government.

 

[konradv]

I think we should tie the moving of the embassy to the acknowledgement by Israel that East Jerusalem can be the capitol of Palestine. If we're ever going to go through with a two-state solution, that would be a sign of good faith to the Palestinians. I really don't get why the Israelis would want to rule a largely Arab population, anyway.

 

[Mr.Nick]

From Doug Wead


Ron Paul to Obama and Romney: “Jerusalem is the capital of Israel. Get over it.”

News is now leaking out about a private meeting between evangelical leaders and presidential candidate Ron Paul which took place last Wednesday night. The leaders asked Dr. Paul about an Executive Order moving the American Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. “The real issue here is not what America wants but what Israel wants. We have no right to chose their capital,” Dr. Paul said, “If they say it is Jerusalem, then it is Jerusalem.”

The Barack Obama administration has consistently rejected this idea and Governor Mitt Romney steadfastly refuses to make a commitment on the issue.

The meeting held last Wednesday night in Ft. Worth, Texas, had two representatives of evangelicals presenting Dr. Paul with a list of questions they had received from denominational leaders, pastors and television evangelists. In the wake of Senator Rick Santorum’s departure from the presidential race, many evangelical leaders are turning to Ron Paul.

The question to Dr. Paul was posed by Rev. Brian Jacobs, one of the evangelical participants. Jacobs, a former consultant to the Billy Graham Association and a pastor of the Ft. Worth Metroplex Church asked the question at the beginning of the meeting. According to Jacobs, Dr. Paul asked, “How would we feel if some other nation told us that we would have to make our capital in New York and they refused to build their embassy in Washington, D.C. It is none of our business.”

Paul’s answer even surprised some of his own staff.

In earlier interviews Dr. Paul has stated that we should stop being Israel’s master and start being her friend and trading partner. In 1981, Dr. Paul was the only public figure who defended Israel’s military action when she took out the Iraqi nuclear facilities. He, alone, in the U.S. Congress, refused to condemn the action saying that Israel has the right to defend herself without approval of the United States.

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Paul is absolutely correct...

We have no right to decide what another nations capitol is.

BTW, it's capitol not "capital."

 

[Crackerjack]

It is kind of funny how Rabbi always finds himself in the Paul threads even though he hates him.....Its almost like he is a closet Paul supporter....

It's almost like I enjoy showing what tools the Paul-bots are. It's almost too easy, like fish in a barrel or something.

Almost as easy as beating Rick Perry in a primary?

 

[LibertyForAll]

Currently our embassy is in Tel Aviv. Wouldnt Israel be forcing us to move our embassy, basically dictating our foreign policy?

No one is forcing us to have an embassy there. If we want an embassy there we should put it where they deem fit since it is their country. What if China came over and said they were putting their embassy in Chicago whether we liked it or not and said we should make that our capitol?

You are confusing two issues. Israel can choose its capital freely. But The US Embassy in Israel is a US affair, not an Israeli affair.

The embassy exists at the behest of the Israeli's so it is their affair. They can place their capitol where they want and we can either move our embassy or not. We can withdraw it or not. They can boot us if they want. I'm not saying it would be wise but they have that right.

 

[LibertyForAll]

Currently our embassy is in Tel Aviv. Wouldnt Israel be forcing us to move our embassy, basically dictating our foreign policy?

No one is forcing us to have an embassy there. If we want an embassy there we should put it where they deem fit since it is their country. What if China came over and said they were putting their embassy in Chicago whether we liked it or not and said we should make that our capitol?

You understand Jerusalem is not Washington, right?

Yes,I do understand that. DO YOU?

It is not in America so they can do what they want.

 

[Dr.Drock]

It'll be interesting to see how the media spins Paul wanting Israel to have the freedom to choose their own capitol into him being an anti-semite and how Romama and Obomney leaving the door open to dictate Israel's domestic policy is somehow pro-Israel.

 

[The Rabbi]

No one is forcing us to have an embassy there. If we want an embassy there we should put it where they deem fit since it is their country. What if China came over and said they were putting their embassy in Chicago whether we liked it or not and said we should make that our capitol?

You understand Jerusalem is not Washington, right?

Yes,I do understand that. DO YOU?

It is not in America so they can do what they want.

It's not in Israel either.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

As if that's ever stopped Israel before....the point is it's not our problem. The dispute there belongs to them. That's how non-interventionism works. Just like it sounds, no intervention. Of course, we all know that our protection is paramount to Israel's ability to remain with so many hostile neighbors....which is the real story. Israel wants to be aa vasalage, and at the same time be sovereign.

 

[The Rabbi]

As if that's ever stopped Israel before....the point is it's not our problem. The dispute there belongs to them. That's how non-interventionism works. Just like it sounds, no intervention. Of course, we all know that our protection is paramount to Israel's ability to remain with so many hostile neighbors....which is the real story. Israel wants to be aa vasalage, and at the same time be sovereign.

So why does Paul support Israeli policy by moving the embassy to Jerusalem?

 

[LibertyForAll]

As if that's ever stopped Israel before....the point is it's not our problem. The dispute there belongs to them. That's how non-interventionism works. Just like it sounds, no intervention. Of course, we all know that our protection is paramount to Israel's ability to remain with so many hostile neighbors....which is the real story. Israel wants to be aa vasalage, and at the same time be sovereign.

So why does Paul support Israeli policy by moving the embassy to Jerusalem?

He supports their right to do as they choose.