Ron Paul: Quit Bankrupting This Country

[Peejay]

HEY ! thanks for using a question mark when giving me bad rep. You're learning !

(Think you can do the same out here in public ?)

 

[DiveCon]

i usually do

but you are being such an ass about it

i refuse to do it

 

[Peejay]

i usually do

but you are being such an ass about it

i refuse to do it

Didn't start with me being an ass.

But anyway, is that a question ?

 

[mash107]

I don't like Libertarians's "every man for himself" phylosophy either.

But that doesn't mean Ron Paul isn't 100% on the money when it comes to the Federal Reserve.

The rest of the politicians are lying or ignoring this problem. Notice most of them won't even respond to questions about the Fed.

Bush, Clinton, Obama, they won't say shit about the Fed.

That should tell you something.

Don't let them demonize everyone who speaks up about it. Notice they started calling Ron Paul a racist right after he spoke up about the Fed Reserve?

And it worked.

And Dennis Kuchenich is a joke, right? That's what they tell us. And we swallow it.

It's not every man for himself in capitalism. You'd have enormous support should you struggle, via private institutions. Think of the many churches that give free food and housing. Think of the many Walmarts that give cheap health care. Far from every man for himself, it's the private institutions that help out the struggling man whereas it's the public institutions that keep him struggling. Imagine where poor people would be without Walmart. And now what has government done for any poor person? All they do is inflate the currency and make it harder and harder for poor people to get by.

Imagine where poor people would be without walmart? OMG!

I don't even know where to begin with that one. What did poor people do before Walmart???

They should redo John Lennon's song, "imagine there's no walmart".

We have Capitalism now. The Libertarian approach has more "every man for himself" aspects in it than liberalism does.

Before Social Security, people died without dignity.

Without Social Security, people would die without dignity.

But yes, in a Eutopia, we wouldn't need SS. But the reality of it is that if people's retirement's were all they had to live on, and this market crash happened, most seniors would be seriously fucked.

Where are the churches now? Sure they help some, but not enough. Government has a role in this. This is where Libertarians lose us liberals.

Medicare is a good government program.

If up to the insurance companies, people with "pre existing conditions" would die or go bankrupt.

Why Wal-Mart Matters - Art Carden - Mises Institute

I don't think it's at all controversial to say that Walmart's help people get things at cheap prices. If it weren't for Walmart, the same things would cost a whole lot more. Competition yields deflation in prices and that yields happy consumers. Not sure if you're even refuting my point, here.

We don't at all have capitalism now. There are 73,000 pages of regulations in the Federal Register that regulate and prohibit commerce. Our currency is controlled entirely by the government, and is often debased on a daily basis, making inflation one more thing poor people have to shoulder. Imagine if gas was still $5 when this recession hit. Not to mention, our politicians think it's alright to punish taxpayers and those that haven't failed in the last 8 years by giving our money to those that had failed.

And onto your second point, government can't possibly create prosperity, it can only transfer it. Social Security is a perfect example. People are living without dignity now, unemployed, barely able to survive, induced by the government, just so others could retire with dignity? Where's the justice in that? It should be that people save up during their lifetime, and by the grace of capitalism and deflation, their money is worth more over time, not less, and a dignified retirement would be easy for everyone. But with inflation and government, that can never be true.

Insurance was affordable back before government got involved, and everyone, no matter how poor, got health care. Government got involved, introduced tax breaks for and monopolized HMOs, and we're dealing with the result now. Medical expenses should not be anywhere near the price it is currently. Imagine if medical care was like PC care. Both are highly technical fields, that needs expertise, one is subsidized by the government and costs are exponentially higher than the other that isn't. Medicare is only necessary because it tries to "solve" a problem created by government, itself.