Romney’s Shaky Job Claims - FactCheck

[California Girl]

You being an idiot does not only not get my panties in a bunch, it is meaningless drivel. You can claim it from now until hell freezes over, but it won't make it any truer than your claim that Romney 'likes to fire people'. Demonstrates your complete lack of honesty... nothing more.

Romney - by the very nature of his experience - has created more jobs than most of our politicians. Why? Because he worked in business... and, more importantly, he worked in an industry that creates real jobs. By real jobs, I mean private sector, adding value to the economy jobs. Public sector jobs do not - by their very nature - add significant value to the economy. Without a strong private sector, the public sector suffers - because there is no money to pay them. You get that part right? Without taxes, we cannot afford the public sector. That is why the private sector must drive the recovery... if you want a great example of what happens when you drive a false recovery through creating public sector jobs - take a look at Europe.

You suffer from the mental retardation that investors create jobs.

Bullshit.

Consumer demand creates jobs. Investors just correctly guess which demands can be provided profitably. Sometimes they create them with clever advertising and other manipulation. And government creates jobs for demands that aren't profitable, but still needed.

What creates a strong country is a strong middle class. So when a mutant like Romney gets out there and destroys good middle class jobs through corporate raiding, outsourcing or union busting (all three of which he's done) the fact he replaced them with McJobs doesn't help matters, it makes them worse.

We have seen the greatest transfer of wealth from the middle class to the wealthy in the last four decades, and it isn't a good thing.

It might be 'mental retardation' to you - but my opinion on this is based on far more experience in this area than you. I understand economics.... which, clearly, you don't. I always find it a shame when people base their opinions on their 'feelings' rather than rational thought.

Actually, what creates a strong country is a strong economy. Without that foundation - there is no 'middle class'. But please, don't let reality bite you in the ass.

Romney is not a 'corporate raider'. You have, yet again, latched on to partisan bullshit and let your emotions influence your opinion. I don't do that - which is really why I call people 'stupid' for allowing emotion based opinions to override reality.

 

[JoeB131]

It might be 'mental retardation' to you - but my opinion on this is based on far more experience in this area than you. I understand economics.... which, clearly, you don't. I always find it a shame when people base their opinions on their 'feelings' rather than rational thought.

Actually, what creates a strong country is a strong economy. Without that foundation - there is no 'middle class'. But please, don't let reality bite you in the ass.

Romney is not a 'corporate raider'. You have, yet again, latched on to partisan bullshit and let your emotions influence your opinion. I don't do that - which is really why I call people 'stupid' for allowing emotion based opinions to override reality.

Ummm... actually, it strikes me that you just lash out at people because you are a massively unhappy person. YOu strike out at people on both left and right. Not sure where all this anger comes from and don't really care. For a supposedly successful person (I always wonder about people who tell strangers on the internet how much money they make) you seem fairly miserable.

Sorry, I look at our economy, and most of us are doing worse than previous generations. I don't make enough to buy a vacation home like my dad did or to be able to retire comfortably like my grandfather did. Despite having better education than they, folks like Romney made themselves richer at the expense of the rest of us by systematically whittling away at the Middle Class.

And sorry, an election is where people get to vote. You can scream about "emotionalism", but you haven't made a good argument about why I should vote for Romney. He'll be good for the rich, he'll be good for his fellow Mormon Cultists, but the rest of us would be kind of screwed.

 

[editec]

I thought all you right wingers all agree that governments cannot create jobs?

What? Do you mean unless the government is run by Republican or something?

 

[California Girl]

It might be 'mental retardation' to you - but my opinion on this is based on far more experience in this area than you. I understand economics.... which, clearly, you don't. I always find it a shame when people base their opinions on their 'feelings' rather than rational thought.

Actually, what creates a strong country is a strong economy. Without that foundation - there is no 'middle class'. But please, don't let reality bite you in the ass.

Romney is not a 'corporate raider'. You have, yet again, latched on to partisan bullshit and let your emotions influence your opinion. I don't do that - which is really why I call people 'stupid' for allowing emotion based opinions to override reality.

Ummm... actually, it strikes me that you just lash out at people because you are a massively unhappy person. YOu strike out at people on both left and right. Not sure where all this anger comes from and don't really care. For a supposedly successful person (I always wonder about people who tell strangers on the internet how much money they make) you seem fairly miserable.

Sorry, I look at our economy, and most of us are doing worse than previous generations. I don't make enough to buy a vacation home like my dad did or to be able to retire comfortably like my grandfather did. Despite having better education than they, folks like Romney made themselves richer at the expense of the rest of us by systematically whittling away at the Middle Class.

And sorry, an election is where people get to vote. You can scream about "emotionalism", but you haven't made a good argument about why I should vote for Romney. He'll be good for the rich, he'll be good for his fellow Mormon Cultists, but the rest of us would be kind of screwed.

What I am, or am not, is not something that some idiot on a messageboard can draw a logical conclusion on. I tend to mock stupid. Nothing more, nothing less. You strike me as a bitter, petty, jealous individual who has failed to excel in a work environment. Does that make that opinion accurate? No, it remains an opinion. Albeit one based on substantial evidence. I don't 'strike out' at individuals as such - I highlight the absolute stupidity of what some people say. Those I respect - both left and right - I tend to treat with respect. You aren't one of those so you may not notice that.

However, I am really not interested in your family history, anecdotal evidence is not reliable as a measure.

There is no reason for me to 'make a good argument' for you to vote for Romney. You show no ability to learn from reason and logic... I would have to make some overly emotional bullshit for you to understand it... and I don't do emotional bullshit. You continually lie about Romney - even something as basic as his own words.... so why would I make any effort with you? You lack the capacity to critically think... not my problem.

Support the proven to be unethical liar. Much better choice for you than a solid, successful guy who just happens to believe differently to you. Yep, that's the 'logic' I would expect from you.

 

[Seawytch]

Reversible Mittens may have started out as a vulture capitalist but then saw that there was MUCH more money to be made in leveraged buyouts...chop shopping good companies.

It's like starting out as an EMT, but then seeing that there was much more money to be made in harvesting organs...

 

[Valerie]

According to employment data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, employment under Romney’s governorship went from 3,224,600 to 3,270,400. That’s an additional 45,800 jobs.

In a Time magazine interview on Dec. 21, Romney said:

Romney, Dec. 21: And so I’ll compare my experience in the private sector where, net-net, we created over 100,000 jobs. We created over 100,000 jobs.

He repeated the claim in a Jan. 3 appearance on Fox News’ “Fox and Friends,” but that time said he “helped” create them.

Romney, Jan. 3: And I’m very happy in my former life; we helped create over 100,000 new jobs.

Determining who gets credit for how many jobs is challenging, to say the least.

Bain managers told the Los Angeles Times that they weren’t focused on creating jobs; they were trying to make money.

Unlike Obama, Romney took office during an economic uptick. Massachusetts had a net job growth of 1.4 percent under Romney. However, that was far slower growth than the national average of 5.3 percent. As Romney’s opponents have frequently, and correctly, noted, Massachusetts ranked 47th in job growth over the entirety of Romney’s term. The only states that did worse: Louisiana, Michigan and Ohio. (That means even Mississippi and South Carolina did better. Pretty pathetic. No wonder he didn't run again.)

The job slump continued for Obama’s first full year in office and finally hit bottom in February 2010. Since that bottom, the nation has added nearly 2.7 million jobs.

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Should be interesting. One refusing to defend his great record, believing that Americans will find out the truth. The other outright lying.

This from a Group of people that Accept Obama's so called saved or Created Jobs numbers with out question.

Yes, it's a handy distraction for Romney's opposition to claim he is running as a "jobs creator" when he simply made a comment that he was proud of his record as a turnaround specialist at Bain and he merely cited a number of net jobs they helped create...The press hasn't shut up about it since, trying to play semantics with the numbers game because it is in their interest to frame the dialogue dishonestly and emotionally manipulate voters into resenting the evil rich guy who "looks like the guy who fired you".

When he spoke of wanting the freedom to choose insurance plans, to retain the control to "fire" them if they fail to provide good service, the true context and meaning of what he said didn't matter...the dishonest hacks clung to that lie and acted as if he said he "enjoys firing people"...?


Mitt's job at Bain was not to "create jobs", it was just a natural result of his effectiveness at turning around companies... Neither did Mitt personally fire anyone who was employed by a failing company who sought Bain Capital's assistance. Those failures were already unfolding and Bain was their last gasp of hope. Anyone who blames Mitt Romney for the failure of those companies which Bain could not save is an idiot.

 

[JoeB131]

What I am, or am not, is not something that some idiot on a messageboard can draw a logical conclusion on. I tend to mock stupid. Nothing more, nothing less. You strike me as a bitter, petty, jealous individual who has failed to excel in a work environment. Does that make that opinion accurate? No, it remains an opinion. Albeit one based on substantial evidence. I don't 'strike out' at individuals as such - I highlight the absolute stupidity of what some people say. Those I respect - both left and right - I tend to treat with respect. You aren't one of those so you may not notice that.

I haven't seen you treat anyone with respect that doesn't agree with you.. That's just an observation. I see people on left and right (I'm more a centrist and pragmatist) that I disagree with, but I respect their opinions.

I don't end every post with "idiot" and "Moron" like you do.

However, I am really not interested in your family history, anecdotal evidence is not reliable as a measure.

Sure it is. If you want to live in denial that the middle class and the country hasn't been in decline for the last 40 years, that's kind of your problem. But that doesn't make it less true. I could quote a lot of boring stats and figures to prove my point, but you'd whine they were "leftist" blogs. We are doing less well than previous generations, and that's a problem. Not for me. I'm a survivor. Always have been. But for the country, it's going to be very bad if we don't change it.

There comes a point where you push people too far, and they act like panicky animals. We are heading in that direction, and Romney is the kind of guy who will push us further.

There is no reason for me to 'make a good argument' for you to vote for Romney. You show no ability to learn from reason and logic... I would have to make some overly emotional bullshit for you to understand it... and I don't do emotional bullshit. You continually lie about Romney - even something as basic as his own words.... so why would I make any effort with you? You lack the capacity to critically think... not my problem.

What you call emotionalism, I call human empathy. Romney doesn't have any. I jokingly call him a robot, but honestly, I think it's worse than that. He's a guy who screws over working folks to make himself richer when HE DOESN'T NEED THE MONEY. Greed at that level is almost a mental illness. And money not being able to fill that empty space in his soul (can an atheist say soul? Well I just did. Bam!) he now wants political power.

The Presidency isn't just another job. It's a job that has an effect on not only 308 million Americans, but millions of other people all around the world as well . People will live or die based on the decisions he makes. And when he says shit like "I like to be able to fire people", it kind of makes me wonder what kind of human empathy he has. When you hear he strapped a dog to a top of a car until it crapped itself, you have to wonder what he's going to do to the rest of us. When he won't level with us about his taxes or how much money he has stuffed in Cayman Island Bank Accounts, I have to wonder about his honesty.

Support the proven to be unethical liar. Much better choice for you than a solid, successful guy who just happens to believe differently to you. Yep, that's the 'logic' I would expect from you.

Yawn. He cheated on a woman who happened to be a nasty bitch. I'm wondering if someone walked out on you using the same reasoning.... certainly seems like it, but I'd just be guessing by the bitterness in your every post.

Romney belongs to an evil cult. That's enough to make me vote against him. Not that he believes "differently", but that he has a religion that is kind of evil.

 

[JoeB131]

Reversible Mittens may have started out as a vulture capitalist but then saw that there was MUCH more money to be made in leveraged buyouts...chop shopping good companies.

It's like starting out as an EMT, but then seeing that there was much more money to be made in harvesting organs...

Damn! What an awesome analogy.

 

[California Girl]

What I am, or am not, is not something that some idiot on a messageboard can draw a logical conclusion on. I tend to mock stupid. Nothing more, nothing less. You strike me as a bitter, petty, jealous individual who has failed to excel in a work environment. Does that make that opinion accurate? No, it remains an opinion. Albeit one based on substantial evidence. I don't 'strike out' at individuals as such - I highlight the absolute stupidity of what some people say. Those I respect - both left and right - I tend to treat with respect. You aren't one of those so you may not notice that.

I haven't seen you treat anyone with respect that doesn't agree with you.. That's just an observation. I see people on left and right (I'm more a centrist and pragmatist) that I disagree with, but I respect their opinions.

I don't end every post with "idiot" and "Moron" like you do.

However, I am really not interested in your family history, anecdotal evidence is not reliable as a measure.

Sure it is. If you want to live in denial that the middle class and the country hasn't been in decline for the last 40 years, that's kind of your problem. But that doesn't make it less true. I could quote a lot of boring stats and figures to prove my point, but you'd whine they were "leftist" blogs. We are doing less well than previous generations, and that's a problem. Not for me. I'm a survivor. Always have been. But for the country, it's going to be very bad if we don't change it.

There comes a point where you push people too far, and they act like panicky animals. We are heading in that direction, and Romney is the kind of guy who will push us further.

There is no reason for me to 'make a good argument' for you to vote for Romney. You show no ability to learn from reason and logic... I would have to make some overly emotional bullshit for you to understand it... and I don't do emotional bullshit. You continually lie about Romney - even something as basic as his own words.... so why would I make any effort with you? You lack the capacity to critically think... not my problem.

What you call emotionalism, I call human empathy. Romney doesn't have any. I jokingly call him a robot, but honestly, I think it's worse than that. He's a guy who screws over working folks to make himself richer when HE DOESN'T NEED THE MONEY. Greed at that level is almost a mental illness. And money not being able to fill that empty space in his soul (can an atheist say soul? Well I just did. Bam!) he now wants political power.

The Presidency isn't just another job. It's a job that has an effect on not only 308 million Americans, but millions of other people all around the world as well . People will live or die based on the decisions he makes. And when he says shit like "I like to be able to fire people", it kind of makes me wonder what kind of human empathy he has. When you hear he strapped a dog to a top of a car until it crapped itself, you have to wonder what he's going to do to the rest of us. When he won't level with us about his taxes or how much money he has stuffed in Cayman Island Bank Accounts, I have to wonder about his honesty.

Support the proven to be unethical liar. Much better choice for you than a solid, successful guy who just happens to believe differently to you. Yep, that's the 'logic' I would expect from you.

Yawn. He cheated on a woman who happened to be a nasty bitch. I'm wondering if someone walked out on you using the same reasoning.... certainly seems like it, but I'd just be guessing by the bitterness in your every post.

Romney belongs to an evil cult. That's enough to make me vote against him. Not that he believes "differently", but that he has a religion that is kind of evil.

Actually, he 'cheated' on the American people who elected him. 84 ethics charges when he was Speaker. 84. I have some issues with his philandering ways - but I have a very big problem with 84 ethics charges. He made history for being the first Speaker to be sanctioned.

You may create an issue by lying about Romney, but I have solid, factually accurate - verifiable issues against Gingrich.

 

[JoeB131]

Actually, he 'cheated' on the American people who elected him. 84 ethics charges when he was Speaker. 84. I have some issues with his philandering ways - but I have a very big problem with 84 ethics charges. He made history for being the first Speaker to be sanctioned.

You may create an issue by lying about Romney, but I have solid, factually accurate - verifiable issues against Gingrich.

84 charges- 83 of which were found to be without merit and were dismissed, one of which was reviewed by the IRS and was found he did nothing wrong. So this is your "verifiable" fact, that the Democrats abused the House ethics system as a political ploy.

This was really the best you had?

Actually, this is what keeps good people from going into politics, that we've turned the justice system into a way to reverse the results of elections we don't like. It's not a good thing, and if you think that the Democrats aren't going to bring up all sorts of ethic charges against Romney if he ever gets in, you are delusional.

Tell me something, who was actually harmed by "Didn't file the correct paperwork in relation to his college course" ethic charge he paid the fine on?

Now, who was harmed by the Vulture captialism of Romney Raiding AmPad?

But that's just "emotionalism", caring about real people whose real lives were effected by actions.

 

[California Girl]

Actually, he 'cheated' on the American people who elected him. 84 ethics charges when he was Speaker. 84. I have some issues with his philandering ways - but I have a very big problem with 84 ethics charges. He made history for being the first Speaker to be sanctioned.

You may create an issue by lying about Romney, but I have solid, factually accurate - verifiable issues against Gingrich.

84 charges- 83 of which were found to be without merit and were dismissed, one of which was reviewed by the IRS and was found he did nothing wrong. So this is your "verifiable" fact, that the Democrats abused the House ethics system as a political ploy.

This was really the best you had?

Actually, this is what keeps good people from going into politics, that we've turned the justice system into a way to reverse the results of elections we don't like. It's not a good thing, and if you think that the Democrats aren't going to bring up all sorts of ethic charges against Romney if he ever gets in, you are delusional.

Tell me something, who was actually harmed by "Didn't file the correct paperwork in relation to his college course" ethic charge he paid the fine on?

Now, who was harmed by the Vulture captialism of Romney Raiding AmPad?

But that's just "emotionalism", caring about real people whose real lives were effected by actions.

Politicians always have a problem holding each other or themselves to account - it's about the only time they band together.... bi-partisan ass covering.

He was fined $300k, if I remember rightly.

I tend to find that where there is smoke, there is fire, with politicians... including violating federal tax laws, and lying to the ethics panel.

He's a fucking cheater, a liar, a reprobate. You might tolerate dishonesty in your politicians - I don't. Just the way I am... I expect my politicians to be honest. Which is why I am more often than not less than enthusiastic about any politician. You can accept a lying scumbag if that is your choice. But don't expect me to. I have higher standards.