Romney says he likes some parts of Obamacare

Wasn't opposition to the supposedly extremely unpopular 'Obamacare' going to be the death blow in Obama's downfall?

Isn't that what we were told?

How does that work if Romney starts watering down his own opposition to it, as he's doing here?
 
Yeah dumbfuck, that's why he made millions in the free market as a capitalist. :eusa_whistle:

Oh, but you being a nobody say no because you are insane.

Not all parts of Obamacare are evil, some things could work if taken out on their own and not part of the master plan to implode the healthcare system.

Like say finding ways to insure people with pre-existing conditions. We aren't caveman like you believing it is survival of the strong when it comes to medical coverage.

Even Ron Paul probably believes in helping people get insurance to cover their basic needs......eh, kook.

And this makes it clear that Romney is not a free market capitalist as he would have us all believe, but a Keynesian central planner just like Obama.

So what's the 'free market' way to insure people with pre-existing conditions?

I'm curious myself.
 
Yeah dumbfuck, that's why he made millions in the free market as a capitalist. :eusa_whistle:

Oh, but you being a nobody say no because you are insane.

Not all parts of Obamacare are evil, some things could work if taken out on their own and not part of the master plan to implode the healthcare system.

Like say finding ways to insure people with pre-existing conditions. We aren't caveman like you believing it is survival of the strong when it comes to medical coverage.

Even Ron Paul probably believes in helping people get insurance to cover their basic needs......eh, kook.

So what's the 'free market' way to insure people with pre-existing conditions?

That would be to let the insurance companies set prices at the market level. I kind of agree as it is kind of immoral. That doesn't seem really good when it comes to being poor, but still we're a capitalist country. No one said it's perfect. Just like democracy isn't.


We must stay with what works and has worked for thousands of years.

Having people be sick, or even die, without access to healthcare because they couldn't afford it is what has WORKED for thousands of years?

Wouldn't that be part of what hasn't worked for thousands of years?
 
Romney like me believes states should force their citizens to buy some basic health insurance just like auto insurance. You should not be allowed to be a burden on society rolling into a hospital without insurance demanding others pay your bill.

You are not a conservative when you think someone has the right to not be responsible for themselves with health insurance. If you live in a state that demands it, then you will need to get it.

In reality it's very simple...simpleton. Just take $10 or $25 out of everyone's paycheck that can't prove they bought their own private healthcare insurance and they will have a basic coverage level provided to them through some state agency.

Romney shows he has common sense actually wanting to fix this mess compared to idiots like you continuing to ignore it. The illegals love the current system since they don't need to pay a dime to get health care in his country......

Yeah dumbfuck, that's why he made millions in the free market as a capitalist. :eusa_whistle:

Oh, but you being a nobody say no because you are insane.

Not all parts of Obamacare are evil, some things could work if taken out on their own and not part of the master plan to implode the healthcare system.

Like say finding ways to insure people with pre-existing conditions. We aren't caveman like you believing it is survival of the strong when it comes to medical coverage.

Even Ron Paul probably believes in helping people get insurance to cover their basic needs......eh, kook.

And this makes it clear that Romney is not a free market capitalist as he would have us all believe, but a Keynesian central planner just like Obama.

Now we've got conservatives comparing the free market to cavemen and Darwin's "survival of the fittest" nonsense. And here I thought those were exclusively Democratic talking points.

Yes, Mitt Romney worked in the private sector, but that doesn't make him a supporter of free markets anymore than it made the CEO of GM or Goldman Sachs when they took federal money as a bailout. There are plenty of private sector people who want to use the government to not have to compete in the free market. It's a bit naive to think otherwise.

You say there are good things in Obamacare, well that's interesting. If, as Romney wants, we continue to force insurance companies to cover pre-existing conditions you make it so that nobody is incentivized to buy insurance until they're sick. That's the reason that both Romneycare and Obamacare have a mandate that says everyone has to buy insurance, and a fine for those who don't. Interesting that you, as a conservative, seem to be in favor of this all of a sudden.
 
The idea that Romney would move to repeal Obamacare on day one is something only people of limited capacity could believe. The fucking thing is based on his signature legislation. How dumb are you?

Nobody believed that, but it's fun to needle the people who think he's so different from Obama.
 
Yeah dumbfuck, that's why he made millions in the free market as a capitalist. :eusa_whistle:

Oh, but you being a nobody say no because you are insane.

Not all parts of Obamacare are evil, some things could work if taken out on their own and not part of the master plan to implode the healthcare system.

Like say finding ways to insure people with pre-existing conditions. We aren't caveman like you believing it is survival of the strong when it comes to medical coverage.

Even Ron Paul probably believes in helping people get insurance to cover their basic needs......eh, kook.

So what's the 'free market' way to insure people with pre-existing conditions?

That would be to let the insurance companies to set prices at the market level. . That doesn't seem really good when it comes to being poor, but still, we're a capitalist country. No one said it's perfect. Just like democracy isn't.


We must stay with what works and has worked for thousands of years.

Well in a free market prices would continually go down, so insurance wouldn't be anywhere near as expensive as it is because medical procedures would be nowhere near as expensive as they are. So that's how it benefits the poor.

But there is no free market way of forcing insurance companies to provide insurance to preexisting conditions.
 
Romney will also fix the healthcare system by allowing more interstate commerce for healthcare insurance companies which will spread their risk and lower costs.

Also, he will go after the trial lawyers that are driving up healthcare costs with high cost lawsuits. Doctors and hospitals need to maintain expensive insurance themselves to fight off the billion dollar lawsuit industry of trial lawyers. Those costs are passed on to the consumer.

Bring down lawsuits and get more competition will fix this mess.
 
The idea that Romney would move to repeal Obamacare on day one is something only people of limited capacity could believe. The fucking thing is based on his signature legislation. How dumb are you?

I'm guessing the dodge here would be, if Romney were elected, that the GOP House again votes to repeal it,

they let the Democrats in the Senate, by majority or by filibuster, depending on the election, kill it,

and Romney keeps his hands clean through the whole thing, and he gets to blame the Democrats if anyone questions his broken promise.
 
Romney like me believes states should force their citizens to buy some basic health insurance just like auto insurance. You should not be allowed to be a burden on society rolling into a hospital without insurance demanding others pay your bill.

You are not a conservative when you think someone has the right to not be responsible for themselves with health insurance. If you live in a state that demands it, then you will need to get it.

In reality it's very simple...simpleton. Just take $10 or $25 out of everyone's paycheck that can't prove they bought their own private healthcare insurance and they will have a basic coverage level provided to them through some state agency.

Romney shows he has common sense actually wanting to fix this mess compared to idiots like you continuing to ignore it. The illegals love the current system since they don't need to pay a dime to get health care in his country......

Yeah dumbfuck, that's why he made millions in the free market as a capitalist. :eusa_whistle:

Oh, but you being a nobody say no because you are insane.

Not all parts of Obamacare are evil, some things could work if taken out on their own and not part of the master plan to implode the healthcare system.

Like say finding ways to insure people with pre-existing conditions. We aren't caveman like you believing it is survival of the strong when it comes to medical coverage.

Even Ron Paul probably believes in helping people get insurance to cover their basic needs......eh, kook.

Now we've got conservatives comparing the free market to cavemen and Darwin's "survival of the fittest" nonsense. And here I thought those were exclusively Democratic talking points.

Yes, Mitt Romney worked in the private sector, but that doesn't make him a supporter of free markets anymore than it made the CEO of GM or Goldman Sachs when they took federal money as a bailout. There are plenty of private sector people who want to use the government to not have to compete in the free market. It's a bit naive to think otherwise.

You say there are good things in Obamacare, well that's interesting. If, as Romney wants, we continue to force insurance companies to cover pre-existing conditions you make it so that nobody is incentivized to buy insurance until they're sick. That's the reason that both Romneycare and Obamacare have a mandate that says everyone has to buy insurance, and a fine for those who don't. Interesting that you, as a conservative, seem to be in favor of this all of a sudden.

:rofl:

Government mandates, state agencies, and income taxes are now conservative.

Looks like Mitt Romney wasn't the only one with an etch-a-sketch for the general election.
 
Romney will also fix the healthcare system by allowing more interstate commerce for healthcare insurance companies which will spread their risk and lower costs.

Also, he will go after the trial lawyers that are driving up healthcare costs with high cost lawsuits. Doctors and hospitals need to maintain expensive insurance themselves to fight off the billion dollar lawsuit industry of trial lawyers. Those costs are passed on to the consumer.

Bring down lawsuits and get more competition will fix this mess.

And how do you propose that he get people to buy insurance when he eliminates the mandate, but still makes it so that insurance companies have to provide insurance for pre-existing conditions? I know I certainly won't be buying insurance until I need it.
 
Wrong Dumbfuck, there are plenty of Democraps that want to get rid of Obamacare and they would support Romney and the GOP slicing it up.

Most people hate the Federal Govt being involved with the personal mandate to have coverage. The states can take care of this area.

Other parts will be up for debate unlike the Obamacare vote which was rammed down our throats without debate.

The idea that Romney would move to repeal Obamacare on day one is something only people of limited capacity could believe. The fucking thing is based on his signature legislation. How dumb are you?

I'm guessing the dodge here would be, if Romney were elected, that the GOP House again votes to repeal it,

they let the Democrats in the Senate, by majority or by filibuster, depending on the election, kill it,

and Romney keeps his hands clean through the whole thing, and he gets to blame the Democrats if anyone questions his broken promise.
 
You're just a fucking idiot.

There are parts of life for the govt to step in like healthcare where some citizens don't want to pay their fair share.

The govt doesn't like people robbing banks, so the same goes for robbing others when you go to the hospital to get free care paid for by others.

:rofl:

Government mandates, state agencies, and income taxes are now conservative.

Looks like Mitt Romney wasn't the only one with an etch-a-sketch for the general election.
 
You're just a fucking idiot.

There are parts of life for the govt to step in like healthcare where some citizens don't want to pay their fair share.

The govt doesn't like people robbing banks, so the same goes for robbing others when you go to the hospital to get free care paid for by others.

:rofl:

Government mandates, state agencies, and income taxes are now conservative.

Looks like Mitt Romney wasn't the only one with an etch-a-sketch for the general election.

All of a sudden the government has a role in health care. :lol:

A conservative arguing for more government intervention to solve problems caused by government intervention is almost too much after the 2010 mid-terms and the Republican primaries.
 
I also like how Mr. Bezerk is quick to call other people idiots, while refusing to answer how insurance companies can be expected to provide coverage for pre-existing conditions without a government mandate. Unfortunately I think GoneBezerk is probably GoneFromThisThread.
 
"I'm not getting rid of all of health care reform. Of course there are a number of things that I like in health care reform that I'm going to put in place,” he said on NBC's "Meet The Press. "One is to make sure that those with pre-existing conditions can get coverage. Two is to assure that the marketplace allows for individuals to have policies that cover their family up to whatever age they might like."

The remarks have huge implications and signal a marked shift from Romney's strong, unequivocal support for full repeal of the Affordable Care Act, which he has consistently held since the Republican primaries.


Well, yeah,he's been for (as he put it in a January debate) "complete repeal." But he's also been for (as he put it in the same debate) some sort of (unspecified) plan "that does care for people that have preexisting conditions. If they've got a preexisting condition and they've been previously insured, they won't be denied insurance going forward."

What he apparently hasn't supported until now is a plan that allows young people to be covered -- and not just covered up to age 26, as in the current law, but "up to whatever age they might like." (Really? Forever?) I can't find anything about young-adult coverage in the plan on his Web site, or in any of his previous utterances.

This is what the right derisively calls "the slacker mandate" -- a term used by FreedomWorks, by the Heritage Foundation, by Michelle Malkin. They're all unalterably opposed to it.


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Romney like me believes states should force their citizens to buy some basic health insurance just like auto insurance. You should not be allowed to be a burden on society rolling into a hospital without insurance demanding others pay your bill.

You are not a conservative when you think someone has the right to not be responsible for themselves with health insurance. If you live in a state that demands it, then you will need to get it.

In reality it's very simple...simpleton. Just take $10 or $25 out of everyone's paycheck that can't prove they bought their own private healthcare insurance and they will have a basic coverage level provided to them through some state agency.

Romney shows he has common sense actually wanting to fix this mess compared to idiots like you continuing to ignore it. The illegals love the current system since they don't need to pay a dime to get health care in his country......

Now we've got conservatives comparing the free market to cavemen and Darwin's "survival of the fittest" nonsense. And here I thought those were exclusively Democratic talking points.

Yes, Mitt Romney worked in the private sector, but that doesn't make him a supporter of free markets anymore than it made the CEO of GM or Goldman Sachs when they took federal money as a bailout. There are plenty of private sector people who want to use the government to not have to compete in the free market. It's a bit naive to think otherwise.

You say there are good things in Obamacare, well that's interesting. If, as Romney wants, we continue to force insurance companies to cover pre-existing conditions you make it so that nobody is incentivized to buy insurance until they're sick. That's the reason that both Romneycare and Obamacare have a mandate that says everyone has to buy insurance, and a fine for those who don't. Interesting that you, as a conservative, seem to be in favor of this all of a sudden.

:rofl:

Government mandates, state agencies, and income taxes are now conservative.

Looks like Mitt Romney wasn't the only one with an etch-a-sketch for the general election.

This is awesome news for Obama. He's confirming everything the republicans feared about him.
 
UPDATE: 8:45 p.m. -- A Romney aide told the National Review that he does not support the Affordable Care Act's ban on discriminating against people with pre-existing conditions, despite suggesting on "Meet the Press" that he supported that part of the law.

Instead, the aide added, there has been no change in the Republican nominee's position. "n a competitive environment, the marketplace will make available plans that include coverage for what there is demand for," the aide said. "He was not proposing a federal mandate to require insurance plans to offer those particular features."


By Sam Stein: Mitt Romney On Obamacare: 'I'm Not Getting Rid Of All Of Health Care Reform' (VIDEO) [UPDATED]

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