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Romney-Ryan plan destroy's Medicare... and seniors quality of life and their children's lives who end up paying for their parents healthcare via direct payments to/for their parents, paying health insurance premiums for their parents and/or increased taxes and/or increased health insurance premiums to pay for higher costing mandatory emergency care that Reagan signed into law --- Republicans are a weird group, their ODS causes them to step over a dollar to pick up a dime -pewsh!-




Stumping in Florida today, Mitt Romney charged President Obama’s Affordable Care Act will “cut more than $700 billion” out of Medicare.

What Romney didn’t say was that his running-mate’s budget — approved by House Republicans and by Romney himself — would cut Medicare by the same amount.The big difference, though, is the Affordable Care Act achieves these savings by reducing Medicare payments to drug companies, hospitals, and other providers rather than cutting payments to Medicare beneficiaries.

The Romney-Ryan plan, by contrast, achieves its savings by turning Medicare into a voucher whose value doesn’t keep up with expected increases in healthcare costs — thereby shifting the burden onto Medicare beneficiaries, who will have to pay an average of $6,500 a year more for their Medicare insurance, according an analysis of the Republican plan by the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office.

The Romney-Ryan plan, shifts the burden onto Medicare beneficiaries!​

 

[Publius1787]

Romney-Ryan plan destroy's Medicare... and seniors quality of life and their children's lives who end up paying for their parents healthcare via direct payments to/for their parents, paying health insurance premiums for their parents and/or increased taxes and/or increased health insurance premiums to pay for higher costing mandatory emergency care that Reagan signed into law --- Republicans are a weird group, their ODS causes them to step over a dollar to pick up a dime -pewsh!-




Stumping in Florida today, Mitt Romney charged President Obama’s Affordable Care Act will “cut more than $700 billion” out of Medicare.

What Romney didn’t say was that his running-mate’s budget — approved by House Republicans and by Romney himself — would cut Medicare by the same amount.The big difference, though, is the Affordable Care Act achieves these savings by reducing Medicare payments to drug companies, hospitals, and other providers rather than cutting payments to Medicare beneficiaries.

The Romney-Ryan plan, by contrast, achieves its savings by turning Medicare into a voucher whose value doesn’t keep up with expected increases in healthcare costs — thereby shifting the burden onto Medicare beneficiaries, who will have to pay an average of $6,500 a year more for their Medicare insurance, according an analysis of the Republican plan by the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office.

The Romney-Ryan plan, shifts the burden onto Medicare beneficiaries!​

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[Katzndogz]

As I recall, the Ryan plan would destroy medicare completely in 30 years. Medicare will go bankrupt and be over under democrats in 14 years.

 

[LilOlLady]

Medicare Vouchers will never get out of the house because no PHCP would even consider taking a voucher to insure a senior with many illness. Take me for instance. No PHCP in this country would even take an application from me. PHCP cannot operate without making a profit. And with vouchers the profits would come out of seniors pockets. Medicare Vouchers are DOA

 

[Warrior102]

Fucking Liberals need to arm themselves with some basic facts (numb-nut bitches) --

Key Elements of Mitt’s Plan

•Nothing changes for current seniors or those nearing retirement
•Medicare is reformed as a premium support system, meaning that existing spending is repackaged as a fixed-amount benefit to each senior that he or she can use to purchase an insurance plan
•All insurance plans must offer coverage at least comparable to what Medicare provides today
•If seniors choose more expensive plans, they will have to pay the difference between the support amount and the premium price; if they choose less expensive plans, they can use any leftover support to pay other medical expenses like co-pays and deductibles
•“Traditional” fee-for-service Medicare will be offered by the government as an insurance plan, meaning that seniors can purchase that form of coverage if they prefer it; however, if it costs the government more to provide that service than it costs private plans to offer their versions, then the premiums charged by the government will have to be higher and seniors will have to pay the difference to enroll in the traditional Medicare option
•Lower income seniors will receive more generous support to ensure that they can afford coverage; wealthier seniors will receive less support
•Competition among plans to provide high quality service while charging low premiums will hold costs down while also improving the quality of coverage enjoyed by seniors

 

[martybegan]

As I recall, the Ryan plan would destroy medicare completely in 30 years. Medicare will go bankrupt and be over under democrats in 14 years.

Nah, because democrats think they can just keep raising taxes at all levels, and money will magically appear to solve all the worlds problems. Also its always "someone else" who ends up paying for it.

 

[martybegan]

Fucking Liberals need to arm themselves with some basic facts (numb-nut bitches) --

Key Elements of Mitt’s Plan

•Nothing changes for current seniors or those nearing retirement
•Medicare is reformed as a premium support system, meaning that existing spending is repackaged as a fixed-amount benefit to each senior that he or she can use to purchase an insurance plan
•All insurance plans must offer coverage at least comparable to what Medicare provides today
•If seniors choose more expensive plans, they will have to pay the difference between the support amount and the premium price; if they choose less expensive plans, they can use any leftover support to pay other medical expenses like co-pays and deductibles
•“Traditional” fee-for-service Medicare will be offered by the government as an insurance plan, meaning that seniors can purchase that form of coverage if they prefer it; however, if it costs the government more to provide that service than it costs private plans to offer their versions, then the premiums charged by the government will have to be higher and seniors will have to pay the difference to enroll in the traditional Medicare option
•Lower income seniors will receive more generous support to ensure that they can afford coverage; wealthier seniors will receive less support
•Competition among plans to provide high quality service while charging low premiums will hold costs down while also improving the quality of coverage enjoyed by seniors

The one point republicans need to hammer home is that this is a phased transfer. I know predicting the possible failure of ones own plan doesnt make sense, but they need to remind people that if the concept here doesnt work, the politicans in power can always just re-start the old version of medicare.

If the above is such a doom scenairo as democrats keep saying, wouldnt they then be voted into power on a wave of anger about the demise of medicare, and would be able to vote it back in?

Something has to be done.

 

[Katzndogz]

Let's see if I have the obamaplan correct.

The Romney/Ryan plan will destroy medicare in 30 years. obama looting medicare out of 716 billion dollars today helps medicare.

Is that it?

 

[martybegan]

Let's see if I have the obamaplan correct.

The Romney/Ryan plan will destroy medicare in 30 years. obama looting medicare out of 716 billion dollars today helps medicare.

Is that it?

Technically its not looting medicare, its looting the doctors who provide the services. Since geriatric specialists rely so heavily on medicare for thier income, the government figures they just have to sit there and suck it up.

 

[thanatos144]

Progressive dont want anyone saving medicare.......Or even trying....It would mean no need for single pay and the greedy fucks dont want to pay for anything. Let not forget it was Obama that actually cut medicare 750,000,000,000 dollars.

 

[Wry Catcher]

How much will the Romney - Ryan plan charge for a brainwash; I too want to enjoy the bliss of warrior.

 

[thanatos144]

How much will the Romney - Ryan plan charge for a brainwash; I too want to enjoy the bliss of warrior.

The truth doesn't need you to be brain washed....We leave that to fascists like you progressives.

 

[Wry Catcher]

How much will the Romney - Ryan plan charge for a brainwash; I too want to enjoy the bliss of warrior.

The truth doesn't need you to be brain washed....We leave that to fascists like you progressives.

This is the second of two posts written by you that made me laugh.

Did you read and understand the warrior's post on the Romney plan?

1. I have two kids, both under 55 and both working adults who have paid into the SS and Medicare System. Apparently, and fortunately for humanity, people like you and warrior don't have children. A world populated by Howard Roarks would be hell on earth.

2. Read carefully and think between the lines - the parody of tossing granny off the cliff is not too far-fetched.

3. "Fixed Amount" is the clue; in the free market system there will be no regulations and costs can far exceed the fixed amount, costing the patient everything they and their family have worked for in their lifetime - homes, care, savings, etc.

4. For profit! There is something immoral about that term when used in conjunction to health care.

 

[martybegan]

How much will the Romney - Ryan plan charge for a brainwash; I too want to enjoy the bliss of warrior.

The truth doesn't need you to be brain washed....We leave that to fascists like you progressives.

This is the second of two posts written by you that made me laugh.

Did you read and understand the warrior's post on the Romney plan?

1. I have two kids, both under 55 and both working adults who have paid into the SS and Medicare System. Apparently, and fortunately for humanity, people like you and warrior don't have children. A world populated by Howard Roarks would be hell on earth.

2. Read carefully and think between the lines - the parody of tossing granny off the cliff is not too far-fetched.

3. "Fixed Amount" is the clue; in the free market system there will be no regulations and costs can far exceed the fixed amount, costing the patient everything they and their family have worked for in their lifetime - homes, care, savings, etc.

4. For profit! There is something immoral about that term when used in conjunction to health care.

So? if the plan doesnt work, wont there be an outpouring of anger DEMANDING that medicare be reinstated? Arent there election cycles that could correct this?

So i guess its immoral for doctors to work above cost according to you.

The system would also not be "free market" as the providers would have to meet the guidelines of the system, since they would be directly recieving federal funds.

 

[Wry Catcher]

The truth doesn't need you to be brain washed....We leave that to fascists like you progressives.

This is the second of two posts written by you that made me laugh.

Did you read and understand the warrior's post on the Romney plan?

1. I have two kids, both under 55 and both working adults who have paid into the SS and Medicare System. Apparently, and fortunately for humanity, people like you and warrior don't have children. A world populated by Howard Roarks would be hell on earth.

2. Read carefully and think between the lines - the parody of tossing granny off the cliff is not too far-fetched.

3. "Fixed Amount" is the clue; in the free market system there will be no regulations and costs can far exceed the fixed amount, costing the patient everything they and their family have worked for in their lifetime - homes, care, savings, etc.

4. For profit! There is something immoral about that term when used in conjunction to health care.

So? if the plan doesnt work, wont there be an outpouring of anger DEMANDING that medicare be reinstated? Arent there election cycles that could correct this?

I suppose. How many of our citizens will die, loose their homes and savings during the Romney cycle?

So i guess its immoral for doctors to work above cost according to you.

Of course not. Doctors are not insurance agents/brokers. In fact many doctors - I assume since I've only spoken to three and one dentist - would prefer a single payer system.

The system would also not be "free market" as the providers would have to meet the guidelines of the system, since they would be directly recieving federal funds.

And if they did not meet the guidelines, who would know. Romney and (I presume) Ryan are opposed to regulators and big government. Is it unreasonable to infer smaller government means less regulations, fewer auditors and more fraud?

 

[Katzndogz]

Giving people options for medical care will destroy medicare the same way working destroys welfare. If the goal is to expand welfare, then giving people jobs is counter productive to that goal.

 

[thanatos144]

This is the second of two posts written by you that made me laugh.

Did you read and understand the warrior's post on the Romney plan?

1. I have two kids, both under 55 and both working adults who have paid into the SS and Medicare System. Apparently, and fortunately for humanity, people like you and warrior don't have children. A world populated by Howard Roarks would be hell on earth.

2. Read carefully and think between the lines - the parody of tossing granny off the cliff is not too far-fetched.

3. "Fixed Amount" is the clue; in the free market system there will be no regulations and costs can far exceed the fixed amount, costing the patient everything they and their family have worked for in their lifetime - homes, care, savings, etc.

4. For profit! There is something immoral about that term when used in conjunction to health care.

So? if the plan doesnt work, wont there be an outpouring of anger DEMANDING that medicare be reinstated? Arent there election cycles that could correct this?

I suppose. How many of our citizens will die, loose their homes and savings during the Romney cycle?

So i guess its immoral for doctors to work above cost according to you.

Of course not. Doctors are not insurance agents/brokers. In fact many doctors - I assume since I've only spoken to three and one dentist - would prefer a single payer system.

The system would also not be "free market" as the providers would have to meet the guidelines of the system, since they would be directly recieving federal funds.

And if they did not meet the guidelines, who would know. Romney and (I presume) Ryan are opposed to regulators and big government. Is it unreasonable to infer smaller government means less regulations, fewer auditors and more fraud?

You want to talk fraud ???? Which candidate actually CUT medicare you self righteous ass?

 

[martybegan]

This is the second of two posts written by you that made me laugh.

Did you read and understand the warrior's post on the Romney plan?

1. I have two kids, both under 55 and both working adults who have paid into the SS and Medicare System. Apparently, and fortunately for humanity, people like you and warrior don't have children. A world populated by Howard Roarks would be hell on earth.

2. Read carefully and think between the lines - the parody of tossing granny off the cliff is not too far-fetched.

3. "Fixed Amount" is the clue; in the free market system there will be no regulations and costs can far exceed the fixed amount, costing the patient everything they and their family have worked for in their lifetime - homes, care, savings, etc.

4. For profit! There is something immoral about that term when used in conjunction to health care.

So? if the plan doesnt work, wont there be an outpouring of anger DEMANDING that medicare be reinstated? Arent there election cycles that could correct this?

I suppose. How many of our citizens will die, loose their homes and savings during the Romney cycle?

So i guess its immoral for doctors to work above cost according to you.

Of course not. Doctors are not insurance agents/brokers. In fact many doctors - I assume since I've only spoken to three and one dentist - would prefer a single payer system.

The system would also not be "free market" as the providers would have to meet the guidelines of the system, since they would be directly recieving federal funds.

And if they did not meet the guidelines, who would know. Romney and (I presume) Ryan are opposed to regulators and big government. Is it unreasonable to infer smaller government means less regulations, fewer auditors and more fraud?

Going for the PEOPLE WILL DIE thing right away. nice.

Some doctors would prefer a single payer system because they KNOW it would turn into a DMV like system, and they would make fortunes providing "above and beyond" care for those who can afford it. I wonder if they also know that once the system becomes single payer, it becomes single payscale. Considering Obama is docking doctors to make Obamacare work, would you really trust a bigger government plan?

Where does the plan shown say "no regulation?" If the government is paying $$ to something, even libertarians want standards and checks applied.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Romney-Ryan plan destroy's Medicare... and seniors quality of life and their children's lives who end up paying for their parents healthcare via direct payments to/for their parents, paying health insurance premiums for their parents and/or increased taxes and/or increased health insurance premiums to pay for higher costing mandatory emergency care that Reagan signed into law --- Republicans are a weird group, their ODS causes them to step over a dollar to pick up a dime -pewsh!-




Stumping in Florida today, Mitt Romney charged President Obama’s Affordable Care Act will “cut more than $700 billion” out of Medicare.

What Romney didn’t say was that his running-mate’s budget — approved by House Republicans and by Romney himself — would cut Medicare by the same amount.The big difference, though, is the Affordable Care Act achieves these savings by reducing Medicare payments to drug companies, hospitals, and other providers rather than cutting payments to Medicare beneficiaries.

The Romney-Ryan plan, by contrast, achieves its savings by turning Medicare into a voucher whose value doesn’t keep up with expected increases in healthcare costs — thereby shifting the burden onto Medicare beneficiaries, who will have to pay an average of $6,500 a year more for their Medicare insurance, according an analysis of the Republican plan by the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office.

The Romney-Ryan plan, shifts the burden onto Medicare beneficiaries!​

Does it piss you off to know that obama took money from medicare to make obamatax more affordable and pass the CBO test?

 

[Wry Catcher]

So? if the plan doesnt work, wont there be an outpouring of anger DEMANDING that medicare be reinstated? Arent there election cycles that could correct this?

I suppose. How many of our citizens will die, loose their homes and savings during the Romney cycle?

So i guess its immoral for doctors to work above cost according to you.

Of course not. Doctors are not insurance agents/brokers. In fact many doctors - I assume since I've only spoken to three and one dentist - would prefer a single payer system.

The system would also not be "free market" as the providers would have to meet the guidelines of the system, since they would be directly recieving federal funds.

And if they did not meet the guidelines, who would know. Romney and (I presume) Ryan are opposed to regulators and big government. Is it unreasonable to infer smaller government means less regulations, fewer auditors and more fraud?

You want to talk fraud ???? Which candidate actually CUT medicare you self righteous ass?

Your ignorance is without boundaries; your attacks are both foolish and cowardly and your posts are void of thought, full of emotion and thoughtless. You do provide a bit of dark humor.