Romney pledges to veto federal DREAM Act for immigrants

[Unkotare]

You fail, Matlock. They most certainly can be held accountable by being removed from this country. The United States is - OF COURSE - well within her rights in deporting those who are here illegally regardless of how old they were when they arrived. Choosing to PARDON that illegal status - for whatever reason and subject to whatever terms - is amnesty. If they are not held accountable but rather FORGIVEN that illegal status then that is amnesty. Whether you think this proposed law is a good idea, or humane, or fair or not the fact remains that amnesty will encourage further illegal immigration. No such law or other form of amnesty will be reasonable and truly human unless we FIRST very seriously secure our borders.

They have to demonstrate that they will be productive members of society both before and after either serving in the military or completing a college degree. They have to work for their citizenship. That is not amnesty. .

Conditions do NOT mean it isn't amnesty. See, this is why I told you to go look up the word.

 

[Flopper]

Great. Now go look up the word "amnesty."

Amnesty | Define Amnesty at Dictionary.com

1. a general pardon for offenses, especially political offenses, against a government, often granted before any trial or conviction.
2. Law . an act of forgiveness for past offenses, especially to a class of persons as a whole.
3. a forgetting or overlooking of any past offense.

Okay, here's the key thing. Giving residency to people brought here as children is not an amnesty, because children can't legally be held accountable for offenses committed by their parents.

They were not old enough to consent to commit a crime. Therefore, not Amnesty.

You fail, Matlock. They most certainly can be held accountable by being removed from this country. The United States is - OF COURSE - well within her rights in deporting those who are here illegally regardless of how old they were when they arrived. Choosing to PARDON that illegal status - for whatever reason and subject to whatever terms - is amnesty. If they are not held accountable but rather FORGIVEN that illegal status then that is amnesty. Whether you think this proposed law is a good idea, or humane, or fair or not the fact remains that amnesty will encourage further illegal immigration. No such law or other form of amnesty will be reasonable and truly human unless we FIRST very seriously secure our borders.

In the consolidated spending act for 2012, US Customs and Border Patrol will have an additional 362 million above 2011. This increase in boarder security funding along with a fairly tight job market should reduce the flow of illegals. Mexico's unemployment stands at about 5.2% so jobs are more available in Mexico than the US. Of course, those seeking higher pay and better jobs will still cross the boarder.

Homeland Security Today: Consolidated Spending Bill Increases Border Security Funding in 2012

 

[JoeB131]

Okay, here's the key thing. Giving residency to people brought here as children is not an amnesty, because children can't legally be held accountable for offenses committed by their parents.

They were not old enough to consent to commit a crime. Therefore, not Amnesty.

You fail, Matlock. They most certainly can be held accountable by being removed from this country. The United States is - OF COURSE - well within her rights in deporting those who are here illegally regardless of how old they were when they arrived. Choosing to PARDON that illegal status - for whatever reason and subject to whatever terms - is amnesty. If they are not held accountable but rather FORGIVEN that illegal status then that is amnesty. Whether you think this proposed law is a good idea, or humane, or fair or not the fact remains that amnesty will encourage further illegal immigration. No such law or other form of amnesty will be reasonable and truly human unless we FIRST very seriously secure our borders.

In the consolidated spending act for 2012, US Customs and Border Patrol will have an additional 362 million above 2011. This increase in boarder security funding along with a fairly tight job market should reduce the flow of illegals. Mexico's unemployment stands at about 5.2% so jobs are more available in Mexico than the US. Of course, those seeking higher pay and better jobs will still cross the boarder.

Homeland Security Today: Consolidated Spending Bill Increases Border Security Funding in 2012

Punkotard doesn't care about that.

He thinks that Mexicans taking jobs he wouldn't ever want to do is really having an impact on his life.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Giving residency to people brought here as children is not an amnesty, because children can't legally be held accountable for offenses committed by their parents.

They were not old enough to consent to commit a crime. Therefore, not Amnesty.

You fail, Matlock. They most certainly can be held accountable by being removed from this country.

No, the failure is yours, Joe’s correct. See: Weber v. Aetna Casualty & Surety Co.(1972): minor children can’t be held accountable for the misdeeds of their parents. In addition to being sound immigration and social policy, the Act comports with Constitutional case law. Certainly no one is advocating the Administration or Congress act outside of the law.

 

[The T]

You fail, Matlock. They most certainly can be held accountable by being removed from this country. The United States is - OF COURSE - well within her rights in deporting those who are here illegally regardless of how old they were when they arrived. Choosing to PARDON that illegal status - for whatever reason and subject to whatever terms - is amnesty. If they are not held accountable but rather FORGIVEN that illegal status then that is amnesty. Whether you think this proposed law is a good idea, or humane, or fair or not the fact remains that amnesty will encourage further illegal immigration. No such law or other form of amnesty will be reasonable and truly human unless we FIRST very seriously secure our borders.

They have to demonstrate that they will be productive members of society both before and after either serving in the military or completing a college degree. They have to work for their citizenship. That is not amnesty. These are exactly the kind of people we want coming to this country, people who will be contributors, not receivers.

The only president to ever grant blanket amnesty, in exchange for absolutely nothing in return, was conservative hero Ronald Reagan.

And if he were alive today? I'd be willing to bet that he would express regret because the Democrats didn't follow through with the rest of the bargain which involved border security.

 

[Unkotare]

He thinks that Mexicans taking jobs he wouldn't ever want to do is really having an impact on his life.

Why don't you learn how to think at all before trying to guess what anyone else is thinking, you lefty douchebag?

 

[Unkotare]

Giving residency to people brought here as children is not an amnesty, because children can't legally be held accountable for offenses committed by their parents.

They were not old enough to consent to commit a crime. Therefore, not Amnesty.

You fail, Matlock. They most certainly can be held accountable by being removed from this country.

No, the failure is yours, Joe’s correct. See: Weber v. Aetna Casualty & Surety Co.(1972): minor children can’t be held accountable for the misdeeds of their parents. In addition to being sound immigration and social policy, the Act comports with Constitutional case law. Certainly no one is advocating the Administration or Congress act outside of the law.

Read what I wrote, shitforbrains.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

They have to demonstrate that they will be productive members of society both before and after either serving in the military or completing a college degree. They have to work for their citizenship. That is not amnesty. .

Conditions do NOT mean it isn't amnesty. See, this is why I told you to go look up the word.

I already know what it means. There is no crime being forgiven.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

And if he were alive today? I'd be willing to bet that he would express regret because the Democrats didn't follow through with the rest of the bargain which involved border security.

I know this is futile and pointless – but, citation?

 

[JoeB131]

And if he were alive today? I'd be willing to bet that he would express regret because the Democrats didn't follow through with the rest of the bargain which involved border security.

I know this is futile and pointless – but, citation?

Let's start with this...


Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The problem with Simpson-Mazzoli was that it put the onus of verifying legal status on employers and not the government.

I refer to this as the "Foxes watching the HenHouse Act", because that's what it came down to. The way employers got around it was by hiring subcontractors who would hire the illegals.

 

[Unkotare]

They have to demonstrate that they will be productive members of society both before and after either serving in the military or completing a college degree. They have to work for their citizenship. That is not amnesty. .

Conditions do NOT mean it isn't amnesty. See, this is why I told you to go look up the word.

I already know what it means. There is no crime being forgiven.

If you're too stupid to follow along, just go play with your blocks or something kid.

 

[JoeB131]

Whether or not the public supports deportation, it doesn't matter. It's logistically impossible to deport all of those people. Even if we sealed off the border tomorrow and not another person snuck across and we managed to deport 1 million illegals a year (not even close to feasible) it would still take anywhere from 12 to 20 years to get rid of them. This is what the hardliners on the issue aren't considering. It cannot be done.

Holy crap you're a dim-wit.

Your continued lashing out those who disagree with you is a pretty clear sign of defeat on your part. You have yet to provide a single shred of anything that supports your argument. It's pretty clear that the only ignorant individual here is you. Like I said earlier, go back to your playpen where you belong.

I think he lashes out because of his own anger issues... not necessarily because of his inability to make a coherent argument that doesn't involve the words "fuck" and "shit".

 

[JakeStarkey]

You fail, Matlock. They most certainly can be held accountable by being removed from this country. The United States is - OF COURSE - well within her rights in deporting those who are here illegally regardless of how old they were when they arrived. Choosing to PARDON that illegal status - for whatever reason and subject to whatever terms - is amnesty. If they are not held accountable but rather FORGIVEN that illegal status then that is amnesty. Whether you think this proposed law is a good idea, or humane, or fair or not the fact remains that amnesty will encourage further illegal immigration. No such law or other form of amnesty will be reasonable and truly human unless we FIRST very seriously secure our borders.

No major deportation will occur, because the great majority of Americans have repeatedly opposed the idea. A better border security is necessary, laws holding businesses to a fierce punishment for violating zero tolerance are necessary, and an amnesty program is necessary. .

Well, you got two out of three correct anyway...

The U.S. will not deport millions of undocumented aliens: won't happen.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Come on, Unkotare has the right to express is naive, unsupported opinion.

 

[Katzndogz]

One more reason to vote Romney.