Romney is now officially over the edge

[JimH52]

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/23/o...-E-FB-SM-LIN-PSD-032312-NYT-NA&WT.mc_ev=click

Romney will say anything and do anything to get the GOP nod. He is now selling his soul to the lunatic fringe, by buying into a conspiracy that there is a secret plan from Obama to inflate gas prices. Like that will win him a seccond term? What a dunce...

 

[California Girl]

The only thing that your OP 'officially' confirms is that you are a jackass.

 

[Old Rocks]

Paul Krugman, Nobel Prize winner in economics.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/23/o...-E-FB-SM-LIN-PSD-032312-NYT-NA&WT.mc_ev=click

And it’s not just gas prices, of course. In fact, the conspiracy theories are proliferating so fast it’s hard to keep up. Thus, large numbers of Republicans — and we’re talking about important political figures, not random supporters — firmly believe that global warming is a gigantic hoax perpetrated by a global conspiracy involving thousands of scientists, not one of whom has broken the code of omertà. Meanwhile, others are attributing the recent improvement in economic news to a dastardly plot to withhold stimulus funds, releasing them just before the 2012 election. And let’s not even get into health reform.

Why is this happening? At least part of the answer must lie in the way right-wing media create an alternate reality. For example, did you hear about how the cost of Obamacare just doubled? It didn’t, but millions of Fox-viewers and Rush-listeners believe that it did. Naturally, people who constantly hear about the evil that liberals do are ready and willing to believe that everything bad is the result of a dastardly liberal plot. And these are the people who vote in Republican primaries.

But what about the broader electorate?

If and when he wins the nomination, Mr. Romney will try, as a hapless adviser put it, to shake his Etch A Sketch — that is, to erase the record of his pandering to the crazy right and convince voters that he’s actually a moderate. And maybe he can pull it off.

But let’s hope that he can’t, because the kind of pandering he has engaged in during his quest for the nomination matters. Whatever Mr. Romney may personally believe, the fact is that by endorsing the right’s paranoid fantasies, he is helping to further a dangerous trend in America’s political life. And he should be held accountable for his actions.

 

[Old Rocks]

The whole of the GOP seems to have gone fruitloops.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/23/o...-E-FB-SM-LIN-PSD-032312-NYT-NA&WT.mc_ev=click

This claim isn’t just nuts; it’s a sort of craziness triple play — a lie wrapped in an absurdity swaddled in paranoia. It’s the sort of thing you used to hear only from people who also believed that fluoridated water was a Communist plot. But now the gas-price conspiracy theory has been formally endorsed by the likely Republican presidential nominee.

Before we get to the larger implications of this endorsement, let’s get the facts on gas prices straight.

First, the lie: No, President Obama did not say, as many Republicans now claim, that he wanted higher gasoline prices. He did once say that a cap-and-trade system for carbon emissions would cause electricity prices to “skyrocket” — an unfortunate word choice. But saying that such a system would raise energy prices was just a factual statement, not a declaration of intent to punish American consumers. The claim that Mr. Obama wanted higher prices is a lie, pure and simple.

And it’s a lie wrapped in an absurdity, because the president of the United States doesn’t control gasoline prices, or even have much influence over those prices. Oil prices are set in a world market, and America, which accounts for only about a tenth of world production, can’t move those prices much. Indeed, the recent rise in gas prices has taken place despite rising U.S. oil production and falling imports.

Finally, there’s the paranoia, the belief that liberals in general, and Obama administration officials in particular, are trying to make driving unaffordable as part of a nefarious plot against the American way of life. And, no, I’m not exaggerating. This is what you hear even from thoroughly mainstream conservatives.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Paul Krugman, Nobel Prize winner in economics.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/23/o...-E-FB-SM-LIN-PSD-032312-NYT-NA&WT.mc_ev=click

And it’s not just gas prices, of course. In fact, the conspiracy theories are proliferating so fast it’s hard to keep up. Thus, large numbers of Republicans — and we’re talking about important political figures, not random supporters — firmly believe that global warming is a gigantic hoax perpetrated by a global conspiracy involving thousands of scientists, not one of whom has broken the code of omertà. Meanwhile, others are attributing the recent improvement in economic news to a dastardly plot to withhold stimulus funds, releasing them just before the 2012 election. And let’s not even get into health reform.

Why is this happening? At least part of the answer must lie in the way right-wing media create an alternate reality. For example, did you hear about how the cost of Obamacare just doubled? It didn’t, but millions of Fox-viewers and Rush-listeners believe that it did. Naturally, people who constantly hear about the evil that liberals do are ready and willing to believe that everything bad is the result of a dastardly liberal plot. And these are the people who vote in Republican primaries.

But what about the broader electorate?

If and when he wins the nomination, Mr. Romney will try, as a hapless adviser put it, to shake his Etch A Sketch — that is, to erase the record of his pandering to the crazy right and convince voters that he’s actually a moderate. And maybe he can pull it off.

But let’s hope that he can’t, because the kind of pandering he has engaged in during his quest for the nomination matters. Whatever Mr. Romney may personally believe, the fact is that by endorsing the right’s paranoid fantasies, he is helping to further a dangerous trend in America’s political life. And he should be held accountable for his actions.

And yet it is not the right that claims every attack on a republican was initiated by a liberal, BUT every attack on a Democrat is instantly blamed on a Republican, rightwinger or Tea Party supporter. It is not the right that is carrying on a you tube frenzy demanding the death of a popular left wing radio host, the left is though. It is not the right that attacks people that vote against Unions, or that break picket lines. The left does though. It is not the right that denigrates the lefts religious beliefs with comments like "those people stick to god and guns", nor has the right proclaimed all returning military vets are potential terrorists to be watched and spied on.

There has been nearly no violence from the right yet we can point to numerous violent acts by the left. But then what ya gonna do when the press covers shit up for one side while lying about the other.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

The whole of the GOP seems to have gone fruitloops.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/23/o...-E-FB-SM-LIN-PSD-032312-NYT-NA&WT.mc_ev=click

This claim isn’t just nuts; it’s a sort of craziness triple play — a lie wrapped in an absurdity swaddled in paranoia. It’s the sort of thing you used to hear only from people who also believed that fluoridated water was a Communist plot. But now the gas-price conspiracy theory has been formally endorsed by the likely Republican presidential nominee.

Before we get to the larger implications of this endorsement, let’s get the facts on gas prices straight.

First, the lie: No, President Obama did not say, as many Republicans now claim, that he wanted higher gasoline prices. He did once say that a cap-and-trade system for carbon emissions would cause electricity prices to “skyrocket” — an unfortunate word choice. But saying that such a system would raise energy prices was just a factual statement, not a declaration of intent to punish American consumers. The claim that Mr. Obama wanted higher prices is a lie, pure and simple.

And it’s a lie wrapped in an absurdity, because the president of the United States doesn’t control gasoline prices, or even have much influence over those prices. Oil prices are set in a world market, and America, which accounts for only about a tenth of world production, can’t move those prices much. Indeed, the recent rise in gas prices has taken place despite rising U.S. oil production and falling imports.

Finally, there’s the paranoia, the belief that liberals in general, and Obama administration officials in particular, are trying to make driving unaffordable as part of a nefarious plot against the American way of life. And, no, I’m not exaggerating. This is what you hear even from thoroughly mainstream conservatives.

Obama is on tape in January 2008 stating that he would bankrupt the coal fired power plant business, that he was opposed to increases in use of natural gas and that he would encourage the raising of gas prices to ween us off of it. He stated his plan was to bankrupt the coal plants and cause electricity and gas prices to be so high that only the rich could afford it, then he would create a Government program to help everyone else pay for their electricity.

But don't let facts get in the way of a good lie.

 

[JoeB131]

Obama is on tape in January 2008 stating that he would bankrupt the coal fired power plant business, that he was opposed to increases in use of natural gas and that he would encourage the raising of gas prices to ween us off of it. He stated his plan was to bankrupt the coal plants and cause electricity and gas prices to be so high that only the rich could afford it, then he would create a Government program to help everyone else pay for their electricity.

But don't let facts get in the way of a good lie.

Can you actualy provide the tape where he said that?

thanks.

The fact is, when gas prices went up under Bush, Leftists blamed Bush for letting his oil company buddies gouge us and the Right said it was out of his control.

They were right then. Gas prices are not something a President can control, really.

Gasoline prices are high for the following reasons.

1) The constant saber-rattling between Israel and Iran has driven up speculation.

2) Japan has had its nuclear industry off line since the Earthquake last year, and is importing record amounts of oil to keep the lights on.

3) China and India are increasing their usage exponentially.

4) Finally, our own economy is starting to recover, which is increasing our demand.

 

[Warrior102]

Obama is on tape in January 2008 stating that he would bankrupt the coal fired power plant business, that he was opposed to increases in use of natural gas and that he would encourage the raising of gas prices to ween us off of it. He stated his plan was to bankrupt the coal plants and cause electricity and gas prices to be so high that only the rich could afford it, then he would create a Government program to help everyone else pay for their electricity.

But don't let facts get in the way of a good lie.

Can you actualy provide the tape where he said that?

thanks.

The fact is, when gas prices went up under Bush, Leftists blamed Bush for letting his oil company buddies gouge us and the Right said it was out of his control.

They were right then. Gas prices are not something a President can control, really.

Gasoline prices are high for the following reasons.

1) The constant saber-rattling between Israel and Iran has driven up speculation.

2) Japan has had its nuclear industry off line since the Earthquake last year, and is importing record amounts of oil to keep the lights on.

3) China and India are increasing their usage exponentially.

4) Finally, our own economy is starting to recover, which is increasing our demand.

Israel and Iran have nothing to do with domestic oil prices in the U.S., China and India - where are you pulling this out of? Our economy is improving? Where?? Japan imports everything. They have absolutely NO natural resources. I was paying $5/litre over there 15 years ago.

Gasoline prices in the U.S. are high because Obama hasn't done jack-shit about it. If Bush was in office, you turds would be in faux outrage calling for his impeachment. He's too busy golfing and vacationing to bother

 

[Mac1958]

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Being a hardcore partisan must be great fun.

When the "other side" is in office, everything bad is their fault.

When "my side" is in office, everything bad is the "other side's" fault.

How cool is THAT.

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[bugs]

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/23/o...-E-FB-SM-LIN-PSD-032312-NYT-NA&WT.mc_ev=click

Romney will say anything and do anything to get the GOP nod. He is now selling his soul to the lunatic fringe, by buying into a conspiracy that there is a secret plan from Obama to inflate gas prices. Like that will win him a seccond term? What a dunce...

he Sucks.. if the GOP can't do better than RoBama they should just give up now..

 

[Dick Tuck]

Obama is on tape in January 2008 stating that he would bankrupt the coal fired power plant business, that he was opposed to increases in use of natural gas and that he would encourage the raising of gas prices to ween us off of it. He stated his plan was to bankrupt the coal plants and cause electricity and gas prices to be so high that only the rich could afford it, then he would create a Government program to help everyone else pay for their electricity.

But don't let facts get in the way of a good lie.

Can you actualy provide the tape where he said that?

thanks.

The fact is, when gas prices went up under Bush, Leftists blamed Bush for letting his oil company buddies gouge us and the Right said it was out of his control.

They were right then. Gas prices are not something a President can control, really.

Gasoline prices are high for the following reasons.

1) The constant saber-rattling between Israel and Iran has driven up speculation.

2) Japan has had its nuclear industry off line since the Earthquake last year, and is importing record amounts of oil to keep the lights on.

3) China and India are increasing their usage exponentially.

4) Finally, our own economy is starting to recover, which is increasing our demand.

Israel and Iran have nothing to do with domestic oil prices in the U.S., China and India - where are you pulling this out of? Our economy is improving? Where?? Japan imports everything. They have absolutely NO natural resources. I was paying $5/litre over there 15 years ago.

Gasoline prices in the U.S. are high because Obama hasn't done jack-shit about it. If Bush was in office, you turds would be in faux outrage calling for his impeachment. He's too busy golfing and vacationing to bother

You seem too stupid to understand the simple fact that oil is traded on a global market. Are you really stupid enough to believe that Exxon-Mobil, Shell, BP, etc., are willing to sell oil to us at a discount to world prices. Are you too stupid to understand that the quake in Japan, that shut down about a dozen of their nukes, is now importing about 300,000 MORE barrels a day, just to keep the electricity going? Are you so much a dimwit that you don't understand that Mideast tension isn't driving the speculation on the commodity exchanges?

If breathing required a literacy test, you'd be dark blue by now.

 

[Avatar4321]

There is nothing secret about Obama's desire for gas prices to necessarily skyrocket. Nor is there any secret in his Energy secretary specifically stating that the goal of the administration is to have the price of gas match the price in Europe.

 

[Old Rocks]

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/23/o...-E-FB-SM-LIN-PSD-032312-NYT-NA&WT.mc_ev=click

Romney will say anything and do anything to get the GOP nod. He is now selling his soul to the lunatic fringe, by buying into a conspiracy that there is a secret plan from Obama to inflate gas prices. Like that will win him a seccond term? What a dunce...

he Sucks.. if the GOP can't do better than RoBama they should just give up now..

Looks like they have given up

 

[Too Tall]

Paul Krugman, Nobel Prize winner in economics.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/23/o...-E-FB-SM-LIN-PSD-032312-NYT-NA&WT.mc_ev=click

And it’s not just gas prices, of course. In fact, the conspiracy theories are proliferating so fast it’s hard to keep up. Thus, large numbers of Republicans — and we’re talking about important political figures, not random supporters — firmly believe that global warming is a gigantic hoax perpetrated by a global conspiracy involving thousands of scientists, not one of whom has broken the code of omertà. Meanwhile, others are attributing the recent improvement in economic news to a dastardly plot to withhold stimulus funds, releasing them just before the 2012 election. And let’s not even get into health reform.

Why is this happening? At least part of the answer must lie in the way right-wing media create an alternate reality. For example, did you hear about how the cost of Obamacare just doubled? It didn’t, but millions of Fox-viewers and Rush-listeners believe that it did. Naturally, people who constantly hear about the evil that liberals do are ready and willing to believe that everything bad is the result of a dastardly liberal plot. And these are the people who vote in Republican primaries.

But what about the broader electorate?

If and when he wins the nomination, Mr. Romney will try, as a hapless adviser put it, to shake his Etch A Sketch — that is, to erase the record of his pandering to the crazy right and convince voters that he’s actually a moderate. And maybe he can pull it off.

But let’s hope that he can’t, because the kind of pandering he has engaged in during his quest for the nomination matters. Whatever Mr. Romney may personally believe, the fact is that by endorsing the right’s paranoid fantasies, he is helping to further a dangerous trend in America’s political life. And he should be held accountable for his actions.

Rush and Fox news reported what CBO published and Krugman disses them instead of the CBO.

Obamacare was carefully constructed to manipulate the standard 10-year cost projections of the CBO. Because benefits would not fully kick in for four years, President Obama could trumpet 10-year gross costs of less than $1 trillion – $938 billion to be exact.

But now that the near-costless years 2010 and 2011 have elapsed, the true 10-year price tag comes into focus. From 2013 through 2022, the CBO reports, the costs of Obamacare come to $1.76 trillion – almost twice the phony original number.

Read more here: A reckoning on Barack Obama’s health care law | CharlotteObserver.com & The Charlotte Observer Newspaper

 

[peach174]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKdScVerrBU&feature=related]Gas Price Hypocrisy - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Luddly Neddite]

This is really SO stupid but the rw is also SO gullible. And, this tactic works for the GObP/R.

IF it were possible for either party to control gas prices, they do it while the "other guy" is in office. Therefore, it would be the R's who would want gas prices to "skyrocket" just before the election. But, don't expect the rw's to be able to think this through. Hell, they're so damn dumb, they'll actually "hold their nose" and vote for a empty suit Etch-A-Sketch they know they can't trust.

DUH.

 

[JoeB131]

Israel and Iran have nothing to do with domestic oil prices in the U.S., China and India - where are you pulling this out of? Our economy is improving? Where?? Japan imports everything. They have absolutely NO natural resources. I was paying $5/litre over there 15 years ago.

Gasoline prices in the U.S. are high because Obama hasn't done jack-shit about it. If Bush was in office, you turds would be in faux outrage calling for his impeachment. He's too busy golfing and vacationing to bother

Dick already pointed out your profound stupidity about not understanding how oil prices actually work. Oil is a global commodity. Yeah, we could produce more of it, and I'd personally have no problem drilling for more.

It doesn't take away from the fact that if you can get the oil to Japan cheaper than you can get it to New York, and they'll pay more for it, Japan's going to get it. It's a global market.

And it's easier to get it out of a hole in the desert than a hole in the tundra.

The reason you paid $5.00 a liter is because most of that is tax, NOT the cost of the actual oil.

If we went all out drilling, we wouldn't produce enough to meet demand. What we need to do, partially is increase production, but also decrease demand with greater efficiency and alternative sources. There is, after all, only a finite amount of petroleum in the world. There is no more being created.

Incidently, voted for Bush both times and Obama last time, and if you idiots weren't going to nominate the Mormon, I'd be voting Republican this time, too.

But let's have HONEST intelligent discussions about the subject, eh? Learn what you are talking about.

 

[JimH52]

There is nothing secret about Obama's desire for gas prices to necessarily skyrocket. Nor is there any secret in his Energy secretary specifically stating that the goal of the administration is to have the price of gas match the price in Europe.

You have a link on that or is this statement wrapped in the GOP flag of obscurity?