Romney camp touts...Romneycare???

[EriktheRed]

Twice in the last 24 hours, Romney press secretary Andrea Saul noted that Joe Soptic, a man featured in a Democratic attack ad suggesting his wife’s cancer went undiagnosed because he lost his insurance, would have been able to purchase coverage under Romney’s Massachusetts law.

“To that point, if people had been in Massachusetts, under Gov. Romney’s health care plan, they would have had health care,” Saul said Tuesday. On Wednesday, she repeated the point: “If people had been in Massachusetts under Gov. Romney’s health care plan they would’ve had health care. There a lot of people losing their jobs and losing their health care in President Obama’s economy, and that is why Gov. Romney is running: to get people back to work.”

Romney Highlights MA Health Care Reforms He’s Sworn Never To Implement | TPM2012

The background here is a new Priorities USA ad, which tells the story of a man, Joe Soptic, who lost his job — and thus his health insurance — after Bain bought out his plant. Years later his wife died what may have been a preventable death of cancer.

His particular story doesn’t perfectly illustrate the problems with the country’s safety net. But far from suggesting Romney killed anybody (as his outraged supporters claim) it neatly exposes an enduring source of middle class uncertainty. If you get very sick almost anywhere in America, and then your employer goes out of business, or lays you off, you’re already running out of options. Romneycare fixed this problem in Massachusetts. Obamacare is designed to fix it for the rest of the country.

Enter the Romney campaign, which notes quite correctly that Romney’s mandated, subsidized health care system might have saved Soptic’s wife if she’d lived in Massachusetts. But if that’s such a good thing, then unless President Romney’s going to recommend that all sick and laid off people move to New England, his pledge to repeal Obamacare just falls apart.

Romneycare For Me But Not For Thee | TPM Editors Blog

 

[Leweman]

You really think Romney care and Obama care are the same? You aren't allowed to vote right?

Key Differences Between RomneyCare and ObamaCare | Race 4 2012

 

[sarahgop]

they are identical.

 

[EriktheRed]

You really think Romney care and Obama care are the same? You aren't allowed to vote right?

Key Differences Between RomneyCare and ObamaCare | Race 4 2012

I read your little link there. The so-called "differences" are bullcrap. They're still basically the same thing.

But hey, let the Mittster try and spin it if he wants.

 

[Greenbeard]

“To that point, if people had been in Massachusetts, under Gov. Romney’s health care plan, they would have had health care,” Saul said Tuesday. On Wednesday, she repeated the point: “If people had been in Massachusetts under Gov. Romney’s health care plan they would’ve had health care.

Indeed, that's true. And thanks to President Obama, that opportunity is no longer reserved just for Bay Staters, it's been expanded to every American citizen.

Romney can take credit for implementing the original model if he likes. The primaries are over, he should be able to take the occasional victory lap and revel in that success (for which Obama does indeed owe him).

 

[Truthmatters]

He said he was GLAD Obama was looking at it for a national program

 

[Truthmatters]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nY03Vt1TTd4]RomneyCare - Mitt Romney on the record in 2009 - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Leweman]

You really think Romney care and Obama care are the same? You aren't allowed to vote right?

Key Differences Between RomneyCare and ObamaCare | Race 4 2012

I read your little link there. The so-called "differences" are bullcrap. They're still basically the same thing.

But hey, let the Mittster try and spin it if he wants.

ooooooooooooooooooooh ... okay.

 

[Greenbeard]

I read your little link there. The so-called "differences" are bullcrap. They're still basically the same thing.

But hey, let the Mittster try and spin it if he wants.

ooooooooooooooooooooh ... okay.

You must've noticed that your link doesn't actually list any substantive differences between the approaches of the two pieces of legislation. Other than the point that Obamacare contained significant Medicare reforms, which obviously Romneycare didn't have the authority to pursue.

 

[Political Junky]

Twice in the last 24 hours, Romney press secretary Andrea Saul noted that Joe Soptic, a man featured in a Democratic attack ad suggesting his wife’s cancer went undiagnosed because he lost his insurance, would have been able to purchase coverage under Romney’s Massachusetts law.

“To that point, if people had been in Massachusetts, under Gov. Romney’s health care plan, they would have had health care,” Saul said Tuesday. On Wednesday, she repeated the point: “If people had been in Massachusetts under Gov. Romney’s health care plan they would’ve had health care. There a lot of people losing their jobs and losing their health care in President Obama’s economy, and that is why Gov. Romney is running: to get people back to work.”

Romney Highlights MA Health Care Reforms He’s Sworn Never To Implement | TPM2012

The background here is a new Priorities USA ad, which tells the story of a man, Joe Soptic, who lost his job — and thus his health insurance — after Bain bought out his plant. Years later his wife died what may have been a preventable death of cancer.

His particular story doesn’t perfectly illustrate the problems with the country’s safety net. But far from suggesting Romney killed anybody (as his outraged supporters claim) it neatly exposes an enduring source of middle class uncertainty. If you get very sick almost anywhere in America, and then your employer goes out of business, or lays you off, you’re already running out of options. Romneycare fixed this problem in Massachusetts. Obamacare is designed to fix it for the rest of the country.

Enter the Romney campaign, which notes quite correctly that Romney’s mandated, subsidized health care system might have saved Soptic’s wife if she’d lived in Massachusetts. But if that’s such a good thing, then unless President Romney’s going to recommend that all sick and laid off people move to New England, his pledge to repeal Obamacare just falls apart.

Romneycare For Me But Not For Thee | TPM Editors Blog

Once again Willard straddles the fence.

 

[Leweman]

I read your little link there. The so-called "differences" are bullcrap. They're still basically the same thing.

But hey, let the Mittster try and spin it if he wants.

ooooooooooooooooooooh ... okay.

You must've noticed that your link doesn't actually list any substantive differences between the approaches of the two pieces of legislation. Other than the point that Obamacare contained significant Medicare reforms, which obviously Romneycare didn't have the authority to pursue.

So bipartisan support and state enacted aren't substantial? Oh. Me so stupid.

 

[Darkwind]

Twice in the last 24 hours, Romney press secretary Andrea Saul noted that Joe Soptic, a man featured in a Democratic attack ad suggesting his wife’s cancer went undiagnosed because he lost his insurance, would have been able to purchase coverage under Romney’s Massachusetts law.

“To that point, if people had been in Massachusetts, under Gov. Romney’s health care plan, they would have had health care,” Saul said Tuesday. On Wednesday, she repeated the point: “If people had been in Massachusetts under Gov. Romney’s health care plan they would’ve had health care. There a lot of people losing their jobs and losing their health care in President Obama’s economy, and that is why Gov. Romney is running: to get people back to work.”

Romney Highlights MA Health Care Reforms He’s Sworn Never To Implement | TPM2012

The background here is a new Priorities USA ad, which tells the story of a man, Joe Soptic, who lost his job — and thus his health insurance — after Bain bought out his plant. Years later his wife died what may have been a preventable death of cancer.

His particular story doesn’t perfectly illustrate the problems with the country’s safety net. But far from suggesting Romney killed anybody (as his outraged supporters claim) it neatly exposes an enduring source of middle class uncertainty. If you get very sick almost anywhere in America, and then your employer goes out of business, or lays you off, you’re already running out of options. Romneycare fixed this problem in Massachusetts. Obamacare is designed to fix it for the rest of the country.

Enter the Romney campaign, which notes quite correctly that Romney’s mandated, subsidized health care system might have saved Soptic’s wife if she’d lived in Massachusetts. But if that’s such a good thing, then unless President Romney’s going to recommend that all sick and laid off people move to New England, his pledge to repeal Obamacare just falls apart.

Romneycare For Me But Not For Thee | TPM Editors Blog

No doubt about it. She really screwed that up. A stupid thing to say.

Another 5 or 6 hundred gaffs like that and they'll be Biden territory.

 

[Greenbeard]

So bipartisan support and state enacted aren't substantial? Oh. Me so stupid.

“To that point, if people had been in Massachusetts, under Gov. Romney’s health care plan, they would have had health care.”

The same, obviously, is true of the Affordable Care Act, which expands access to care in the same manner as Romney's reforms (which makes sense, given that the two laws were designed by the same people).

The partisan breakdown of the final vote count has nothing to do with whether a woman like this in Massachusetts or in any state lives or dies. That vote count is political trivia, it has no substantive policy import.

 

[EriktheRed]

ooooooooooooooooooooh ... okay.

You must've noticed that your link doesn't actually list any substantive differences between the approaches of the two pieces of legislation. Other than the point that Obamacare contained significant Medicare reforms, which obviously Romneycare didn't have the authority to pursue.

So bipartisan support and state enacted aren't substantial? Oh. Me so stupid.

Yeah, actually you are, if you really think those things make a difference.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

“To that point, if people had been in Massachusetts, under Gov. Romney’s health care plan, they would have had health care,” Saul said Tuesday. On Wednesday, she repeated the point: “If people had been in Massachusetts under Gov. Romney’s health care plan they would’ve had health care.

Indeed, that's true. And thanks to President Obama, that opportunity is no longer reserved just for Bay Staters, it's been expanded to every American citizen.

Romney can take credit for implementing the original model if he likes. The primaries are over, he should be able to take the occasional victory lap and revel in that success (for which Obama does indeed owe him).

One suspects Romney doesn’t like – lest he incur the wrath of the radial partisan right, who despise the ACA due to its association with the hated Obama, having nothing to do with the provisions of the Act.

 

[Dick Tuck]

You really think Romney care and Obama care are the same? You aren't allowed to vote right?

Key Differences Between RomneyCare and ObamaCare | Race 4 2012

Romneycare covers abortions.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/01/newtsantorum-tagteam-on-abortion-111578.html

 

[Greenbeard]

You really think Romney care and Obama care are the same? You aren't allowed to vote right?

Key Differences Between RomneyCare and ObamaCare | Race 4 2012

Romneycare covers abortions.

Newt-Santorum tag-team on abortion - POLITICO.com

Now that would be an example of a substantive policy difference between the two approaches.

 

[Lakhota]

This major gaffe has the Cons spinning and stuttering.

 

[Greenbeard]

Erick Erickson's reaction over at RedState was somewhat enjoyable.

The Moment All the Doubts About Romney Resurfaced on the Right | RedState

Priorities USA was damaging itself and Barack Obama over its mind numbingly insane ad painting Mitt Romney as a killer.

Then the Romney campaign decided to sabotage itself with a mind numbingly bit of spin that may mark the day the Romney campaign died.

Defending Romney and combatting the ad, Romney spokesman Andrea Saul . . . let’s go to the quotes:

“To that point, if people had been in Massachusetts, under Governor Romney’s health care plan, they would have had health care,” Andrea Saul, Romney’s campaign press secretary, said during an appearance on Fox News. “There are a lot of people losing their jobs and losing their health care in President [Barack] Obama’s economy.”

Conservatives have put aside their distrust of Romney on this issue in the name of beating Barack Obama. They thought he and his campaign team had gotten the message and the hints. Consider the scab picked, the wound opened, and the distrust trickling out again.

About the only thing more stupid in terms of building bridges with the right would be to say something nice about fetal stem cell research.

Start your watches for that one!

 

[Wolfsister77]

Erick Erickson's reaction over at RedState was somewhat enjoyable.

The Moment All the Doubts About Romney Resurfaced on the Right | RedState

Priorities USA was damaging itself and Barack Obama over its mind numbingly insane ad painting Mitt Romney as a killer.

Then the Romney campaign decided to sabotage itself with a mind numbingly bit of spin that may mark the day the Romney campaign died.

Defending Romney and combatting the ad, Romney spokesman Andrea Saul . . . let’s go to the quotes:

“To that point, if people had been in Massachusetts, under Governor Romney’s health care plan, they would have had health care,” Andrea Saul, Romney’s campaign press secretary, said during an appearance on Fox News. “There are a lot of people losing their jobs and losing their health care in President [Barack] Obama’s economy.”

Conservatives have put aside their distrust of Romney on this issue in the name of beating Barack Obama. They thought he and his campaign team had gotten the message and the hints. Consider the scab picked, the wound opened, and the distrust trickling out again.

About the only thing more stupid in terms of building bridges with the right would be to say something nice about fetal stem cell research.

Start your watches for that one!

Ha! You know they screwed up big time if the Conservatives are pissed. Thing is they were actually being truthful for once and Obama just extended that to a National instead of a State Level.