Roger Ailes of FOX on ABC

[code1211]

Nobdoy in their right mind (except drug addled, conservative radio talkers), defends a health insurance system in a major industrialized nation, that is the primary cause for most of the bankruptcy filings in the nation

I'm not saying that there isn't anything we can do to improve the healthcare system. I'm just saying that waiving your insurance policy at the Grim Reaper doesn't change his mind.

Practitioners, themselves, kill more people than what die from lack of insurance. And Obama's plan won't even provide policies to everyone anyway. It's a con job, that's sole purpose is to increase the size of government and the scope of government intrusion.

It is a Con job in the sense that it is very similar to what Massachusets has. Yes that conservative health care reform put forth by the former Governor of Massachusetts, .Republican Weld...and yes... Scott Brown (the latest idol of the right)...voted for it before he said he'd vote against it.

If you truly believe the main reason people like me want a government option is to increase the size of government you are crazy. The backing of a government option is the result of the failure of private enterprise to adequately address the needs of health care policy.. The fact that it will increase the size of government is a consequence of this...not the reason.

Affordable and accessable health care is now being viewed as a right in a civilized society.

Those who choose to not carry Health Insurance because they are young and do not feel sick will not carry it under the new plan.

Those with pre-existing conditions will carry insurance if they can get it, but can't. It is this group that needs help. This could be handled with a government subsidy or by a policy rider funded by the government.

Those who need and want it, but can't pay for it will be out in the cold whether under the current system or the proposed system.

I think these three general groups cover about all of the people who are uninsured. The proposed program costs a bundle and really only helps the second of the three groups above.

Why not solve the problem that exists and leave the problems that don't exist outside the consideration?

 

[Murf76]

I'm not saying that there isn't anything we can do to improve the healthcare system. I'm just saying that waiving your insurance policy at the Grim Reaper doesn't change his mind.

Practitioners, themselves, kill more people than what die from lack of insurance. And Obama's plan won't even provide policies to everyone anyway. It's a con job, that's sole purpose is to increase the size of government and the scope of government intrusion.

It is a Con job in the sense that it is very similar to what Massachusets has. Yes that conservative health care reform put forth by the former Governor of Massachusetts, .Republican Weld...and yes... Scott Brown (the latest idol of the right)...voted for it before he said he'd vote against it.

If you truly believe the main reason people like me want a government option is to increase the size of government you are crazy. The backing of a government option is the result of the failure of private enterprise to adequately address the needs of health care policy.. The fact that it will increase the size of government is a consequence of this...not the reason.

Affordable and accessable health care is now being viewed as a right in a civilized society.

Those who choose to not carry Health Insurance because they are young and do not feel sick will not carry it under the new plan.

Those with pre-existing conditions will carry insurance if they can get it, but can't. It is this group that needs help. This could be handled with a government subsidy or by a policy rider funded by the government.

Those who need and want it, but can't pay for it will be out in the cold whether under the current system or the proposed system.

I think these three general groups cover about all of the people who are uninsured. The proposed program costs a bundle and really only helps the second of the three groups above.

Why not solve the problem that exists and leave the problems that don't exist outside the consideration?

Because THAT wouldn't put a fifth of our economy under the central government's thumb.

 

[Murf76]

It is a Con job in the sense that it is very similar to what Massachusets has. Yes that conservative health care reform put forth by the former Governor of Massachusetts, .Republican Weld...and yes... Scott Brown (the latest idol of the right)...voted for it before he said he'd vote against it.

If you truly believe the main reason people like me want a government option is to increase the size of government you are crazy. The backing of a government option is the result of the failure of private enterprise to adequately address the needs of health care policy.. The fact that it will increase the size of government is a consequence of this...not the reason.

Affordable and accessable health care is now being viewed as a right in a civilized society.

Massachusetts can do what it wants. It's a STATE. See the 10th Amendment.
Congress has no enumerated power under the Constitution to provide healthcare. What's more, the system in Massachusetts is exceeding the projected costs, like social programs always do, and straining the state budget.

And don't try to buffalo me. Give me you view on "single-payer" and we'll see what your motivation is on a "public option". Healthcare is not a "right". Unalienable rights do not require the conscription of property or labor from other citizens.

 

[Darkwind]

The numbers might be a bit off, but the point WAS taken.

If the problem is with 30 (or even with 50) million folks who have incomplete, unsatisfactorily inadequate or no health insurance, the logical thing to do is to address those folks' problems. This is not rationally done by messing around with the other folks' insurance plans and coverage. It is done by focusing on the ones WITH the problems.

I also agree that some of the panelists took aim AT Ailes. He handled himself fairly well and with humor, though.

Barbara Walters is clearly past her prime. And it is silly for any credible news programming to make a panelist out of a hack like Huffington.

The numbers are made up. Lies. * * * *

Of course, an asshole liar like Dainty has no evidence to support his claim.

You lied in your OP about something as simple as WHAT Ailes had even said.

Nobody with a brain is going to take YOUR unsupported assurance of ANYTHING once your complete lack of truthfulness is made so manifestly clear, Dainty.

I think it is just the facts that Ailes him..



Come on. You knew someone was going to say it...

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Those 30 million? They're like "strays". And health care is like "cream". Screw 'em. Who cares if they have health care? Besides, if you feed 'em, they'll BREED.

I think I'll join the Republican Party. They really care.

What Ailes had actually said was that 300 million were happy with their present health care coverage.* He further suggested that 30 million were not properly protected with such coverage. His contention was that THOSE latter folks are the ones who need a Health Care Bill to GET adequate coverage, but that the attempt to provide for them by taking away from the majority of folks who are satisfed with their present coverage made no sense.

Ailes was, of course, quite right.

NOBODY is arguing that those without adequate coverage can just fuck off. That's nothing but dishonest liberal propaganda.
....

You have CHANGE your tune.

Previously you quoted Ailes as saying ...300 million Americans are 'happy and satisfied' with their health care coverage.

That is a complete fabrication.

What is dishonest is the way conservatives and Republicans (Sen Scott Brown being one hypocrite), praised Massachusetts' former Republican Governor William Weld's health care initiative....while demonizing very similar plans put forth by Democrats in the House and Senate. Then to top it all off Repbulicans lie about Obama being a socialist.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

You appear to have missed the forest for the trees. The point is it is a fallacy to state that those insured are all 'happy' with the health care plans they have. George Will was not going after Roger and neither was Babs.

Babs allowed the Huff to ask questions to Roger right off the bat, and allowed it to go throughout the segment. I watch this show every week. It is the mod that asks the questions and dictates the flow of the debate. Guests don't interrogate other guests. Babs allowed the Huff to dictate the tone and questioning. George wouldn't have allowed that.

I think a lot of the conservatives' whining about media bias is BS, but today's segment certainly didn't dispel any of the conservatives' complaints.

Excuse me? Ailes was being 'interogated' by members of the panel?

For a moment I thought I was in the *GOP Manufactured Drama thread. Then I realized you're just another apologist douchebagh.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Roger Ailes the Big Wig @ FOX, says Obama is very likable.

Roger also said 300 million Americans are happy with the health care plans they have. Roger was talking about how the health care proposals put forward to insure the 30 million Americans without health care, would 'upset' the happy 'apple cart' that is the current health care system Americans currently have.

nuts!

This is in Politics and not Media or Current Events because though I like Ailes as an individual and I find him funny, almost every utterance he issues is tainted with a fair and balanced dose of politics.

he was asked a question and answered the FOX was fair and balaced and then he used the tag line of ABC. LOL

I recorded that show so I could watch it. I think he said that FOX i "the most trusted name in News". That used to be the tag line of CNN, was it not? Owing to a recent survey in which 49% of respondents said that they trust FOX the most, he was just crowing a little.

Interestingly, he spoke of politics when Walters demanded that he do so. He said that he's not in the politics business, he's in the ratings business.

When he took control of FOX News, he targeted a segment of the American society which turns out to be about 50% of it. Ratings.

First I waited this long to be corrected on which network slogan he played tongue in cheek with: clap, clap, clap... I forgot exactly what was said and threw it out there to see if any of the usual suspects here (USMB Idiots led by CrusaderFrank and Liabilty), would actually know anything.

Ailes was using the tag line as a joke.

A survey says? LOL

and FOX NEW's targeted audience was always about capturing a conservative base. That base is NO WHERE near 50 percent of the American public...It may be 50 percent of the cable news audience which is a pathetically small sample.

btw, I thought Ailes invented FOX NEWS...not joined an already established brand.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Obama needs to move further leftward

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

A good way to guage the power of anyone is to regard how he's treated by those around him. Judging by that panel, Ailes is pushing some juice.

Huffington was less biased in this panel than I have ever seen her. If the Big 0 loses the Huffingtons of the world, he's toast.

I have no idea what the Huffington's of the world wield in the way of power, but it is obvious people like you assume too much and fear a paper tiger.

Ailes and Huffington and the others are all part of a club...a club that counts on and uses the gullibility and ignorance of folks...that you and I will never get to join. They all respect each other.

 

[Toro]

You appear to have missed the forest for the trees. The point is it is a fallacy to state that those insured are all 'happy' with the health care plans they have. George Will was not going after Roger and neither was Babs.

Babs allowed the Huff to ask questions to Roger right off the bat, and allowed it to go throughout the segment. I watch this show every week. It is the mod that asks the questions and dictates the flow of the debate. Guests don't interrogate other guests. Babs allowed the Huff to dictate the tone and questioning. George wouldn't have allowed that.

I think a lot of the conservatives' whining about media bias is BS, but today's segment certainly didn't dispel any of the conservatives' complaints.

Excuse me? Ailes was being 'interogated' by members of the panel?

For a moment I thought I was in the *GOP Manufactured Drama thread. Then I realized you're just another apologist douchebagh.

Yeah, I'm an apologist for the GOP and Fox News. You bet, Dev.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Babs allowed the Huff to ask questions to Roger right off the bat, and allowed it to go throughout the segment. I watch this show every week. It is the mod that asks the questions and dictates the flow of the debate. Guests don't interrogate other guests. Babs allowed the Huff to dictate the tone and questioning. George wouldn't have allowed that.

I think a lot of the conservatives' whining about media bias is BS, but today's segment certainly didn't dispel any of the conservatives' complaints.

Excuse me? Ailes was being 'interogated' by members of the panel?

For a moment I thought I was in the *GOP Manufactured Drama thread. Then I realized you're just another apologist douchebagh.

Yeah, I'm an apologist for the GOP and Fox News. You bet, Dev.

no, you are an apologist for lunacy.

 

[Wicked Jester]

Roger Ailes the Big Wig @ FOX, says Obama is very likable.


Roger also said 300 million Americans are happy with the health care plans they have. Roger was talking about how the health care proposals put forward to insure the 30 million Americans without health care, would 'upset' the happy 'apple cart' that is the current health care system Americans currently have.

nuts!

Look, you're not getting your free healthcare dumbass. The majority of americans are against it. It's dead in the water.

So, do the right thing and provide for yourself like all the RESPONSIBLE americans do. If you can't provide for yourself, that's your problem. It's as simple as that.

I, nor any other RESPONSIBLE citizen owes you a fucking thing in this life. This country owes you nothing. Unless you step up and serve it, honorably.

Christ, liberals are fucking idiots!

 

[Liability]

Excuse me? Ailes was being 'interogated' by members of the panel?

For a moment I thought I was in the *GOP Manufactured Drama thread. Then I realized you're just another apologist douchebagh.

Yeah, I'm an apologist for the GOP and Fox News. You bet, Dev.

no, you are an apologist for lunacy.

Dainty is too dishonest to even tell the truth about a program aired during a major network Sunday morning news/talking-head hour.

Dainty is an unapologetic abject liar.

Trying to take your petty-ass cheap shots at Toro of all people will never hide who and what you are Dainty. It's already too late for that.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Roger Ailes the Big Wig @ FOX, says Obama is very likable.


Roger also said 300 million Americans are happy with the health care plans they have. Roger was talking about how the health care proposals put forward to insure the 30 million Americans without health care, would 'upset' the happy 'apple cart' that is the current health care system Americans currently have.

nuts!

Look, you're not getting your free healthcare dumbass. The majority of americans are against it. It's dead in the water.

So, do the right thing and provide for yourself like all the RESPONSIBLE americans do. If you can't provide for yourself, that's your problem. It's as simple as that.

I, nor any other RESPONSIBLE citizen owes you a fucking thing in this life. This country owes you nothing. Unless you step up and serve it, honorably.

Christ, liberals are fucking idiots!

Terrible speech and even worse logic.

The country is what the citizens say it is. Responsible people are usually not represented by whiney, angry blowhards like you.

People are unhappy with the health care system in this country. This issue is NOT going away.

and where universal health care is being worked out (MA) people are satisfied with it.

btw, the Democrats plan is not a plan to provide free health care to everyone. Where you get your weird ideas is anyones guess...but they are surely NOT based in reality.

goodbye
I stopped doing charity work for trolls like you ages ago.
D.

 

[Wicked Jester]

Run along sucker. You blasted your credibility away long ago up here.

Now, go get a fucking job and quit expecting free shit provided by your government.

Christ, liberals are fucking idiots!

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Run along sucker. You blasted your credibility away long ago up here.

Now, go get a fucking job and quit expecting free shit provided by your government.

Christ, liberals are fucking idiots!

credibility?

gawd, you're as pathetic as you are clueless.

 

[Wicked Jester]

Run along sucker. You blasted your credibility away long ago up here.

Now, go get a fucking job and quit expecting free shit provided by your government.

Christ, liberals are fucking idiots!

credibility?

gawd, you're as pathetic as you are clueless.

Difference between yourself and I is the fact that I shed my blood while serving this great country. I FULLY EARNED my lifetime VA healthcare provided by the taxpayers. It was part of the deal. Part of the contract.

You on the other hand are nothing more than a handout taking liberal piece of shit who's never done anything whatsoever except take whatever you can get for free from our government.

You've proven it countless times up here.

And i'm sure it just burns your lil' faggot ass to know YOU are paying for MY lifetime healthcare through YOUR tax dollars.

YOU owe ME!....I don't owe you jackshit.


Christ, liberals are fucking idiots!

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Difference between yourself and I is the fact that I shed my blood while serving this great country. I FULLY EARNED my lifetime VA healthcare provided by the taxpayers. It was part of the deal. Part of the contract.

You on the other hand are nothing more than a handout taking liberal piece of shit who's never done anything whatsoever except take whatever you can get for free from our government.

You've proven it countless times up here.

And i'm sure it just burns your lil' faggot ass to know YOU are paying for MY lifetime healthcare through YOUR tax dollars.

YOU owe ME!....I don't owe you jackshit.


Christ, liberals are fucking idiots!

assholes like you assault the government as unreliable in one breath and then in another you acknowledge the government honors a contract.

where I grew up people who shed blood in war for America were a dime a dozen. never heard them brag like shits like you do.

you must be volunteer or vietnam era... LOL what a douche!

General Douglas McAuthur had the right idea about your type.

google: Bonus Marchers.

 

[Wicked Jester]

Typical tactic of a liberal pussy who lost a debate, attack a vets service.

Well, isn't that special?

LMAO!

Run along lil' man. You're seriously outgunned up here!

Christ, liberals are fucking idiots!

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Typical tactic of a liberal pussy who lost a debate, attack a vets service.

Well, isn't that special?

LMAO!

Run along lil' man. You're seriously outgunned up here!
...!

You're a phoney war hero
You're a phoney veteran.
You're a disgraceful moron.
You're not even a chickenhawk...you're a pretender. I met your type before.

fuck off you shit talker. fuck off.