Roberts Justice or Injustice

[Harry Dresden]

Aren't you more concerned with what Roberts said more than anything else?

“ It is not our job to protect the people from the consequences of their political choices.”

Reb i would think that any case that goes before the Court that was because of our Political choices should be kicked out.....they should not be able to rule on it.....is that not what he is saying?.....

 

[Cowman]

Not sure if anyone has cover this but I would like to discuss the last part of Roberts reason for ruling for obamacare

“ It is not our job to protect the people from the consequences of their political choices.”

Read more: Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts did right in saving Obamacare - NY Daily News

OK Roberts if it's not your job and voting doesn't doesn't help the people who do we turn too? Guns?

Yes. Turn to guns. Get yourself killed, you big idiot.

How long is it before you kill someone? You keep talking about resorting to guns this, guns that.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

How can Roberts justify what he said

“ It is not our job to protect the people from the consequences of their political choices.”

When the majority of Americans did not want obamacaretax?

Because it's not the job of the courts to rule with political bias. When they do, Conservatives bark about 'judicial activism'.

Can't have your cake, as they say, and eat it too.

You're going to be in for a big surprise.

So when your vote really doesn't count you just sit back and take it.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Not sure if anyone has cover this but I would like to discuss the last part of Roberts reason for ruling for obamacare

“ It is not our job to protect the people from the consequences of their political choices.”

Read more: Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts did right in saving Obamacare - NY Daily News

OK Roberts if it's not your job and voting doesn't doesn't help the people who do we turn too? Guns?

Yes. Turn to guns. Get yourself killed, you big idiot.

Robert's said the courts is not the place to go so who do you turn too?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Aren't you more concerned with what Roberts said more than anything else?

“ It is not our job to protect the people from the consequences of their political choices.”

Reb i would think that any case that goes before the Court that was because of our Political choices should be kicked out.....they should not be able to rule on it.....is that not what he is saying?.....

It seems most are still running the government, so where do you turn when a justice just said the courts is not the place for you.

 

[Cowman]

Not sure if anyone has cover this but I would like to discuss the last part of Roberts reason for ruling for obamacare



Read more: Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts did right in saving Obamacare - NY Daily News

OK Roberts if it's not your job and voting doesn't doesn't help the people who do we turn too? Guns?

Yes. Turn to guns. Get yourself killed, you big idiot.

Robert's said the courts is not the place to go so who do you turn too?

What are you, a four year old fucking child who asks mommy and mommy says no, so you go ask daddy, and daddy says no... so now you're looking for somebody else to give you the answer you want?

Why the fuck does guns even enter your equation? You're just dying to shoot somebody or something.

Quit being such a sore loser.

 

[Nosmo King]

How can Roberts justify what he said

When the majority of Americans did not want obamacaretax?

Because it's not the job of the courts to rule with political bias. When they do, Conservatives bark about 'judicial activism'.

Can't have your cake, as they say, and eat it too.

You're going to be in for a big surprise.

So when your vote really doesn't count you just sit back and take it.

My vote counts as does yours. The legislative branch writes the laws, the executive branch enforces them and the judicial branch is NOT INVOLVED IN THE POLITICAL CHOICES. The key word is POLITICAL.

The commerce clause in the Constitution provides for the power of the federal government to levy taxes. The SCOTUS heard the testimony, read the briefs and ruled constitutionally and not politically.

Now, if you want the courts to be a political arm of the federal government, you must learn to stop grousing about 'judicial activism' when strictly political rulings are set forth.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Yes. Turn to guns. Get yourself killed, you big idiot.

Robert's said the courts is not the place to go so who do you turn too?

What are you, a four year old fucking child who asks mommy and mommy says no, so you go ask daddy, and daddy says no... so now you're looking for somebody else to give you the answer you want?

Why the fuck does guns even enter your equation? You're just dying to shoot somebody or something.

Quit being such a sore loser.

Here's Robert's comment again
“ It is not our job to protect the people from the consequences of their political choices.”

What do you do when your vote doesn't count? What do you do when you can't seek justice from justice because the political elite join together and give you two mirror images of each other?
Why does big money contribute to both party's? Your vote does not count, So what do you turn too When you here a Justice say what he said?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Because it's not the job of the courts to rule with political bias. When they do, Conservatives bark about 'judicial activism'.

Can't have your cake, as they say, and eat it too.

You're going to be in for a big surprise.

So when your vote really doesn't count you just sit back and take it.

My vote counts as does yours. The legislative branch writes the laws, the executive branch enforces them and the judicial branch is NOT INVOLVED IN THE POLITICAL CHOICES. The key word is POLITICAL.

The commerce clause in the Constitution provides for the power of the federal government to levy taxes. The SCOTUS heard the testimony, read the briefs and ruled constitutionally and not politically.

Now, if you want the courts to be a political arm of the federal government, you must learn to stop grousing about 'judicial activism' when strictly political rulings are set forth.

No your vote does not count. Why does big money contribute to both party's? Some of the same groups gave to McCain also gave to obama.

 

[Cowman]

Robert's said the courts is not the place to go so who do you turn too?

What are you, a four year old fucking child who asks mommy and mommy says no, so you go ask daddy, and daddy says no... so now you're looking for somebody else to give you the answer you want?

Why the fuck does guns even enter your equation? You're just dying to shoot somebody or something.

Quit being such a sore loser.

Here's Robert's comment again
“ It is not our job to protect the people from the consequences of their political choices.”

What do you do when your vote doesn't count? What do you do when you can't seek justice from justice because the political elite join together and give you two mirror images of each other?
Why does big money contribute to both party's? Your vote does not count, So what do you turn too When you here a Justice say what he said?

Your vote only counts when things go your way?

That actually makes a lot of sense about the mentality of conservative voters.

Seriously, like children. Your family puts up a show of hands who wants to watch "this movie vs that movie" Everybody raises their hands against you, and suddenly you sob and say "it's not fair!". Everybody feels bad for you because you're the youngest and you get your way.

Is that what happened to you as a child? Because that's not adult life. Grow up.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Not sure if anyone has cover this but I would like to discuss the last part of Roberts reason for ruling for obamacare

“ It is not our job to protect the people from the consequences of their political choices.”

Read more: Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts did right in saving Obamacare - NY Daily News

OK Roberts if it's not your job and voting doesn't doesn't help the people who do we turn too? Guns?

He is right. Tax increases are a well established right of Congress, so he cant just toss out Obamacare because he doesnt like it. He can only strike it down if its unconstitutional and since Congress can raise your taxes then give you a deduction for buying that widget, they can use taxes to coerce you into buying things you dont want, but they could have done that BEFORE the Obamacare decision anyway.

Conservative activists are missing the boat on this one due to their emotional disapointment.

Yesterday was a huge victory for conservatives: (repeat text to save time)

1. It makes the Obamacare law easy to repeal. Since it is a tax legally now, there can be no filibuster to defeat a repeal in the Senate, so the GOP only needs 51 votes now not 60.

2. It struck down individual mandates. An individual mandate can have many kinds of penalties from house arrest to property forfeiture to jail time, but since Roberts accepted the Obama argument that this was a tax, the only 'penalty that can be assessed in this case is a fine and it can pass in the form of a tax increas for everyone that buying the insurance allows you to be exempt from. This is a huge decision in favor of individual rights.

3. This decision has made the law a plain out right tax increase, making Obama the unsurpassed record holder for tax hikes in US history, as well as for deficit creation.

4. Lastly, but most importantly, he struck down the Medicaid withdrawal for states that opt out, saying that such laws are unconstitutional and violate the Tenth Amendment. This is the by far the biggest set back to the growth of federal power since the Civil War. Now if Congress passes another law like the mandatory seat belt law which penalized a state by witholding its highway funds if they didnt make seat belts mandatory, the states can take it to court arguing that in the Obamacare decision these kind of penalties are unconstitutional. This just cut the domestic testicles from DC as a power center, and we are going to see states act much more autonomously from now on.

 

[Old Rocks]

The comment from the Chief Justice is odd on its face but factual if one believes the Court made their decision based on the constitution.

Obama and crew advertised the individual mandate in the PPACA as constitutional under the commerce clause. When the Solicitor argued the case in court, it all of a sudden became a tax.

Back to the comment. Chief Justice Roberts has reminded the electorate that elections have consequences and if the People do not approve of the policy of the current administration, changes can be made in four months.

I really don't want this discussion to go off track
But what do you do when it seems that voting does not make any change? There is only one recourse to turn too.

Oh yappy yap. You dingleberry neo-cons always threotoning to do the "second amendment thing". Let's face it, all you will do is swill some cheap beer and talk loud.

 

[Nosmo King]

Robert's said the courts is not the place to go so who do you turn too?

What are you, a four year old fucking child who asks mommy and mommy says no, so you go ask daddy, and daddy says no... so now you're looking for somebody else to give you the answer you want?

Why the fuck does guns even enter your equation? You're just dying to shoot somebody or something.

Quit being such a sore loser.

Here's Robert's comment again
“ It is not our job to protect the people from the consequences of their political choices.”

What do you do when your vote doesn't count? What do you do when you can't seek justice from justice because the political elite join together and give you two mirror images of each other?
Why does big money contribute to both party's? Your vote does not count, So what do you turn too When you here a Justice say what he said?

Your vote counted! It just so happens that your vote was in the MINORITY and the MINORITY does not win in voting. See, the way it works is, if you have MORE votes, you win. If you have FEWER votes, you lose.

And the courts rule on the constitutionality of laws, not the POLITICAL CONSEQUENCES of the laws.

 

[Old Rocks]

Not sure if anyone has cover this but I would like to discuss the last part of Roberts reason for ruling for obamacare

“ It is not our job to protect the people from the consequences of their political choices.”

Read more: Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts did right in saving Obamacare - NY Daily News

OK Roberts if it's not your job and voting doesn't doesn't help the people who do we turn too? Guns?

He is right. Tax increases are a well established right of Congress, so he cant just toss out Obamacare because he doesnt like it. He can only strike it down if its unconstitutional and since Congress can raise your taxes then give you a deduction for buying that widget, they can use taxes to coerce you into buying things you dont want, but they could have done that BEFORE the Obamacare decision anyway.

Conservative activists are missing the boat on this one due to their emotional disapointment.

Yesterday was a huge victory for conservatives: (repeat text to save time)

1. It makes the Obamacare law easy to repeal. Since it is a tax legally now, there can be no filibuster to defeat a repeal in the Senate, so the GOP only needs 51 votes now not 60.

2. It struck down individual mandates. An individual mandate can have many kinds of penalties from house arrest to property forfeiture to jail time, but since Roberts accepted the Obama argument that this was a tax, the only 'penalty that can be assessed in this case is a fine and it can pass in the form of a tax increas for everyone that buying the insurance allows you to be exempt from. This is a huge decision in favor of individual rights.

3. This decision has made the law a plain out right tax increase, making Obama the unsurpassed record holder for tax hikes in US history, as well as for deficit creation.

4. Lastly, but most importantly, he struck down the Medicaid withdrawal for states that opt out, saying that such laws are unconstitutional and violate the Tenth Amendment. This is the by far the biggest set back to the growth of federal power since the Civil War. Now if Congress passes another law like the mandatory seat belt law which penalized a state by witholding its highway funds if they didnt make seat belts mandatory, the states can take it to court arguing that in the Obamacare decision these kind of penalties are unconstitutional. This just cut the domestic testicles from DC as a power center, and we are going to see states act much more autonomously from now on.

Jim, since it is a tax, we can also make it an income tax on all forms of income to support a single payer universal health care system. And that is eventually what will happen.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Not sure if anyone has cover this but I would like to discuss the last part of Roberts reason for ruling for obamacare



Read more: Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts did right in saving Obamacare - NY Daily News

OK Roberts if it's not your job and voting doesn't doesn't help the people who do we turn too? Guns?

He is right. Tax increases are a well established right of Congress, so he cant just toss out Obamacare because he doesnt like it. He can only strike it down if its unconstitutional and since Congress can raise your taxes then give you a deduction for buying that widget, they can use taxes to coerce you into buying things you dont want, but they could have done that BEFORE the Obamacare decision anyway.

Conservative activists are missing the boat on this one due to their emotional disapointment.

Yesterday was a huge victory for conservatives: (repeat text to save time)

1. It makes the Obamacare law easy to repeal. Since it is a tax legally now, there can be no filibuster to defeat a repeal in the Senate, so the GOP only needs 51 votes now not 60.

2. It struck down individual mandates. An individual mandate can have many kinds of penalties from house arrest to property forfeiture to jail time, but since Roberts accepted the Obama argument that this was a tax, the only 'penalty that can be assessed in this case is a fine and it can pass in the form of a tax increas for everyone that buying the insurance allows you to be exempt from. This is a huge decision in favor of individual rights.

3. This decision has made the law a plain out right tax increase, making Obama the unsurpassed record holder for tax hikes in US history, as well as for deficit creation.

4. Lastly, but most importantly, he struck down the Medicaid withdrawal for states that opt out, saying that such laws are unconstitutional and violate the Tenth Amendment. This is the by far the biggest set back to the growth of federal power since the Civil War. Now if Congress passes another law like the mandatory seat belt law which penalized a state by witholding its highway funds if they didnt make seat belts mandatory, the states can take it to court arguing that in the Obamacare decision these kind of penalties are unconstitutional. This just cut the domestic testicles from DC as a power center, and we are going to see states act much more autonomously from now on.

Jim, since it is a tax, we can also make it an income tax on all forms of income to support a single payer universal health care system. And that is eventually what will happen.

Why do you think that Ted Kennedy couldnt get that past for 50 years? No matter what the Dems had in Congress or the WH, they NEVER could pass that and they never will, IMO.

Socialized medicine is on its way to the trash heap of history as its flaws have been well documented for some time now.

What is going to come about is a well regulated market where individuals can buy health care insurance that meets government specs and people wont have to get it through their employer due to costs anymore. That will happen.

Obamacare was a step in that direction with the state health care exchanges but the law had a lot of bad pills in it, the majority of which got purged yesterday, IMO.

The state operates best when it regulates human activity and not when it directs it via one size fits all policies. Let people choose what they want, that is the future.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Not sure if anyone has cover this but I would like to discuss the last part of Roberts reason for ruling for obamacare

“ It is not our job to protect the people from the consequences of their political choices.”

Read more: Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts did right in saving Obamacare - NY Daily News

OK Roberts if it's not your job and voting doesn't doesn't help the people who do we turn too? Guns?

He is right. Tax increases are a well established right of Congress, so he cant just toss out Obamacare because he doesnt like it. He can only strike it down if its unconstitutional and since Congress can raise your taxes then give you a deduction for buying that widget, they can use taxes to coerce you into buying things you dont want, but they could have done that BEFORE the Obamacare decision anyway.

Conservative activists are missing the boat on this one due to their emotional disapointment.

Yesterday was a huge victory for conservatives: (repeat text to save time)

1. It makes the Obamacare law easy to repeal. Since it is a tax legally now, there can be no filibuster to defeat a repeal in the Senate, so the GOP only needs 51 votes now not 60.

2. It struck down individual mandates. An individual mandate can have many kinds of penalties from house arrest to property forfeiture to jail time, but since Roberts accepted the Obama argument that this was a tax, the only 'penalty that can be assessed in this case is a fine and it can pass in the form of a tax increas for everyone that buying the insurance allows you to be exempt from. This is a huge decision in favor of individual rights.

3. This decision has made the law a plain out right tax increase, making Obama the unsurpassed record holder for tax hikes in US history, as well as for deficit creation.

4. Lastly, but most importantly, he struck down the Medicaid withdrawal for states that opt out, saying that such laws are unconstitutional and violate the Tenth Amendment. This is the by far the biggest set back to the growth of federal power since the Civil War. Now if Congress passes another law like the mandatory seat belt law which penalized a state by witholding its highway funds if they didnt make seat belts mandatory, the states can take it to court arguing that in the Obamacare decision these kind of penalties are unconstitutional. This just cut the domestic testicles from DC as a power center, and we are going to see states act much more autonomously from now on.

So we just sit and take it?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

The comment from the Chief Justice is odd on its face but factual if one believes the Court made their decision based on the constitution.

Obama and crew advertised the individual mandate in the PPACA as constitutional under the commerce clause. When the Solicitor argued the case in court, it all of a sudden became a tax.

Back to the comment. Chief Justice Roberts has reminded the electorate that elections have consequences and if the People do not approve of the policy of the current administration, changes can be made in four months.

I really don't want this discussion to go off track
But what do you do when it seems that voting does not make any change? There is only one recourse to turn too.

Oh yappy yap. You dingleberry neo-cons always threotoning to do the "second amendment thing". Let's face it, all you will do is swill some cheap beer and talk loud.

Good example of a sheep.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

What are you, a four year old fucking child who asks mommy and mommy says no, so you go ask daddy, and daddy says no... so now you're looking for somebody else to give you the answer you want?

Why the fuck does guns even enter your equation? You're just dying to shoot somebody or something.

Quit being such a sore loser.

Here's Robert's comment again
“ It is not our job to protect the people from the consequences of their political choices.”

What do you do when your vote doesn't count? What do you do when you can't seek justice from justice because the political elite join together and give you two mirror images of each other?
Why does big money contribute to both party's? Your vote does not count, So what do you turn too When you here a Justice say what he said?

Your vote counted! It just so happens that your vote was in the MINORITY and the MINORITY does not win in voting. See, the way it works is, if you have MORE votes, you win. If you have FEWER votes, you lose.

And the courts rule on the constitutionality of laws, not the POLITICAL CONSEQUENCES of the laws.

It counted for what the political elite wanted not what I wanted.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

"If you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a small chance of survival. There may even be a worse case: you may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." Winston Churchill

 

[Claudette]

The comment from the Chief Justice is odd on its face but factual if one believes the Court made their decision based on the constitution.

Obama and crew advertised the individual mandate in the PPACA as constitutional under the commerce clause. When the Solicitor argued the case in court, it all of a sudden became a tax.

Back to the comment. Chief Justice Roberts has reminded the electorate that elections have consequences and if the People do not approve of the policy of the current administration, changes can be made in four months.

Yup. I agree.

As I've said. This whole deal is a win, win for Romney and the GOP.

Aren't you more concerned with what Roberts said more than anything else?

“ It is not our job to protect the people from the consequences of their political choices.”

Nope because he's right that isn't the're job.

We do have something that addresses that. Its called casting a ballot.