Righties Say Tax The Poor

[The Rabbi]

Well given that Bush gave the wealthy even more massive tax cuts you would think we would not still be under this Bush recession, right?

We;'re not. This is the Obama recession. Who has been in office for 3years already?

It's Bush's. He still owns this one. It started with HIS massive tax cuts and HIS ivasion and occupation of Iraq.

So has Obama been incompetent or he is deliberately delaying recovery? I mean, three years in office with filibuster proof majorities in Congress, he could certainly have figured out some way to reverse the recession in 3 years, right?

 

[Big Fitz]

By Michael McAuliff

WASHINGTON -- The nation's ongoing economic downturn has sparked an odd response from a growing number of conservative and Republican leaders: a desire to blame the unfortunate and a demand for the poor to pay more.

More: Tax The Poor: Forget Occupy Wall Street, Conservatives Have A Different Idea

I'd be fine with them getting back ONLY what they paid into the system. But in all fairness, they should pay taxes to pay for their drain on the resources they use more than anyone else. Don't even have to change the tax code. Just have to not give a refund. Problem solved, no second Christmas in April. No more wealth redistribution. No services cut.

The question remains... NOW who's being greedy and unfair?

 

[The Rabbi]

The economy of the 1950s and 1960s, with top marginal tax rates ranging from 70% to 92%, FAR outperformed that of the 1980s.

Which is why Kennedy cut rates in 1961?

He didn't.

really?
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEdXrfIMdiU]Income Tax Cut, JFK Hopes To Spur Economy 1962/8/13 - YouTube[/ame]

 

[MiddleClass]

They say that inside our brains is an area that controls empathy, and that conservatives by nature lack empathy. Conservatism - A brain deficiency.

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"A WORKING PERSON VOTING FOR A REPUBLICAN THESE DAYS
IS LIKE A CHICKEN VOTING FOR COLONEL SANDERS"

 

[Big Fitz]

They say that inside our brains is an area that controls empathy, and that conservatives by nature lack empathy. Conservatism - A brain deficiency.

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"A WORKING PERSON VOTING FOR A REPUBLICAN THESE DAYS
IS LIKE A CHICKEN VOTING FOR COLONEL SANDERS"

And the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, expecting different results. We're rehashing the same ideas the left has had since the 1890's, expecting different results from the other times it's been done in the 30's and 60's as well as every socialist country that's failed since Lenin.

 

[Listening]

This is all you need to know about Lakhota:

Quote: Originally Posted by Lakhota
One should always shit, piss, spit, and jerk off toward Israel.

Bigot alert.

Hahahahahahahahahaha

ROTF

That was funny.

I am still laughing.

 

[Listening]

They say that inside our brains is an area that controls empathy, and that conservatives by nature lack empathy. Conservatism - A brain deficiency.

Of course one has to have a brain for some of it to be subpar.

In the case of many liberals...I am afraid they fail the first qualifiction.

 

[Dragon]

Which is why Kennedy cut rates in 1961?

He didn't.

really?

Historical Top Tax Rate

Yes, really. The cut from 91% to 77% did not take place until 1964. Which means that, although Kennedy did advocate reducing taxes earlier, the cut did NOT take place during his presidency.

Inasmuch as he was dead.

 

[The Rabbi]

He didn't.

really?

Historical Top Tax Rate

Yes, really. The cut from 91% to 77% did not take place until 1964. Which means that, although Kennedy did advocate reducing taxes earlier, the cut did NOT take place during his presidency.

Inasmuch as he was dead.

Quibbling.

 

[Dragon]

Quibbling.

No, it's not quibbling. I made reference above to the 1950s and 1960s with the booming economy under high taxes. Since the tax cut was put in place in 1964, not 1961, that means those two decades featured 14 years at 91% top marginal rate versus only six years at 77%.

To which I might add, 77% still ain't exactly low.

 

[The Rabbi]

Quibbling.

No, it's not quibbling. I made reference above to the 1950s and 1960s with the booming economy under high taxes. Since the tax cut was put in place in 1964, not 1961, that means those two decades featured 14 years at 91% top marginal rate versus only six years at 77%.

To which I might add, 77% still ain't exactly low.

It is quibbling. It is quibbling because Kennedy proposed the bills early. He did so in response to a cooling economy, so clearly 90% wasn't working. Further, in those days you had all kinds of deductions--any interest payment for example, and other features that meant most high income people didnt pay 90%. Remember that AMT was put in in the 1970s to "soak the rich" who weren't paying their fair share. Exact same rhetoric as today.
Further, the economic landscape of the 1950s/60s was vastly different from today. Then the U.S. was basically the sole manufacturing power in the world. The Germans and Japanese were just starting to catch on.

 

[BOBO]

...left leaning candidates, Ron is out to literally gut the tax system for ALL by reducing government & it's 'overhead' by returning America to a peaceful Constitutionally based nation. No more world cop, no more nation building, drastically cut government entitlements including retirements for elected officials, & limiting social programs to ONLY those that actually prove to need them. Short of Ron Paul & Gary Johnson the rest of the GOP hopefuls for POTUS, as well as the majority of already elected GOP officials read out as a who's who in the DNC party!

 

[Dragon]

It is quibbling.

Look, the point is that we had our highest growth and best performing economy under very high tax rates. That the last few years were at 77% instead of 91% -- THAT'S a quibble. It doesn't refute what I'm saying in any way.

Further, the economic landscape of the 1950s/60s was vastly different from today. Then the U.S. was basically the sole manufacturing power in the world. The Germans and Japanese were just starting to catch on.

LOL wrong! Myth! Every industrial power in the world except the Germans and Japanese emerged from the war with MORE industrial capacity than they went into it. The British, the French, the Italians, the Norwegians, Dutch, Danes, and of course the Swedes and Swiss, who were neutrals and weren't even scratched, were even more competition for us after the war was over than they had been in 1940. Even Germany and Japan had fully recovered by the mid-1950s.

The "last man standing" meme is total BS.

 

[The Rabbi]

It is quibbling.

Look, the point is that we had our highest growth and best performing economy under very high tax rates. That the last few years were at 77% instead of 91% -- THAT'S a quibble. It doesn't refute what I'm saying in any way.

Further, the economic landscape of the 1950s/60s was vastly different from today. Then the U.S. was basically the sole manufacturing power in the world. The Germans and Japanese were just starting to catch on.

LOL wrong! Myth! Every industrial power in the world except the Germans and Japanese emerged from the war with MORE industrial capacity than they went into it. The British, the French, the Italians, the Norwegians, Dutch, Danes, and of course the Swedes and Swiss, who were neutrals and weren't even scratched, were even more competition for us after the war was over than they had been in 1940. Even Germany and Japan had fully recovered by the mid-1950s.

The "last man standing" meme is total BS.

You didnt live through the 1970s, did you?

 

[Dragon]

You didnt live through the 1970s, did you?

Sure I did. Unlike you, though, my memory reaches before that, too, and I've studied enough history to know that there was a time before Jimmy Carter became president.

Oh -- also, I bet you blame Carter for the problems of the '70s and think Reagan fixed 'em? Don't you? Ha! Here's the secret of that time.

Economy turned sour in 1973 (under Nixon not Carter, but it wasn't his fault, either).

Economy recovered in 1983.

OPEC oil embargo began in 1973, followed by ten years of jacked-up oil prices.

North Sea oil came on the market in 1983, breaking OPEC's stranglehold.

Nothing to do with any U.S. government policies under any of the four presidents (Nixon, Ford, Carter, and Reagan) through those years.

 

[The Rabbi]

You didnt live through the 1970s, did you?

Sure I did. Unlike you, though, my memory reaches before that, too, and I've studied enough history to know that there was a time before Jimmy Carter became president.

Oh -- also, I bet you blame Carter for the problems of the '70s and think Reagan fixed 'em? Don't you? Ha! Here's the secret of that time.

Economy turned sour in 1973 (under Nixon not Carter, but it wasn't his fault, either).

Economy recovered in 1983.

OPEC oil embargo began in 1973, followed by ten years of jacked-up oil prices.

North Sea oil came on the market in 1983, breaking OPEC's stranglehold.

Nothing to do with any U.S. government policies under any of the four presidents (Nixon, Ford, Carter, and Reagan) through those years.

OIK, so we've established you didnt live through the 70s. You also didnt learn much from history. We've established you're a wanker with nothing of substance or truth to add. bye.

 

[Dragon]

OIK, so we've established you didnt live through the 70s. You also didnt learn much from history. We've established you're a wanker with nothing of substance or truth to add. bye.

LOL translation: "This guy refutes all the falsehoods about history that I've taken for granted 'cause they've been spoonfed them, and I have no answer at all."

You're not fooling anyone, you know.

 

[Lakhota]

 

[DaGoose]

OIK, so we've established you didnt live through the 70s. You also didnt learn much from history. We've established you're a wanker with nothing of substance or truth to add. bye.

LOL translation: "This guy refutes all the falsehoods about history that I've taken for granted 'cause they've been spoonfed them, and I have no answer at all."

You're not fooling anyone, you know.

Good job Dragon.

That was one thorough ass kicking.

 

[Trajan]

It is quibbling.

Look, the point is that we had our highest growth and best performing economy under very high tax rates. That the last few years were at 77% instead of 91% -- THAT'S a quibble. It doesn't refute what I'm saying in any way.

Further, the economic landscape of the 1950s/60s was vastly different from today. Then the U.S. was basically the sole manufacturing power in the world. The Germans and Japanese were just starting to catch on.

LOL wrong! Myth! Every industrial power in the world except the Germans and Japanese emerged from the war with MORE industrial capacity than they went into it. The British, the French, the Italians, the Norwegians, Dutch, Danes, and of course the Swedes and Swiss, who were neutrals and weren't even scratched, were even more competition for us after the war was over than they had been in 1940. Even Germany and Japan had fully recovered by the mid-1950s.

The "last man standing" meme is total BS.

France Italy etc. , the occupied countries, came OUT of ww2 with MORE manufacturing capacity? France I can see, maybe? italy? Uhm, I don't think so.

uhm, can I see some links to that please, and of course a comparison would be good, more than what? 1938?