Right wingers: Would you support repealing all laws requiring business permits???

[Jarlaxle]

Right wingers: Would you support repealing all laws requiring business permits??? .

Not a right winger, but my answer is abso-fucking-lutely. And while you are at it remove confiscatory taxation, restore Capitalism and Free Enterprise.

So you'd be fine if a strip club opened on your street? Next to a liquor store and gun shop????

Probably not enough traffic to support them here...but sure. Go for it. I might even patronize a gun shop.

 

[Katzndogz]

You don't even get your own post. So people wouldn't be smart enough to build buildings on their own that could withstand earthquakes, they only do that because government makes us. Yeah government.

The funny part is how you said "conservatives" spend their time ... thinking about nonsense ...

And you said it to a libertarian. Clueless is as clueless does, isn't that so mustang?

You think people worry about earthquakes? Without regulation, contractors would cut corners (unseen by potential homeowners). Concrete would have a higher percentage of sand. Frames would not be as strong. The wiring wouldn't be up to carrying heavier loads (possibility of fire). The insulation (against both temperature and sound) wouldn't be present. Floor joists would likely be further apart, resulting in sagging floors after a few years.

Plumbing would be slipshod and likely leak before too long.

You get the picture.

Bullshit. When I worked construction, it wasn't the city inspector who made sure the fireproofing was installed correctly. The company insuring the building sent out inspectors to make sure it was done correctly. The same goes for the sprinkler system, the concrete quality and the steel framing.

In the case of residential construction, whoever is paying to have the development built pays professional inspectors to make sure all the work is done correctly according to code. Liberalism is based on the assumption that people are too stupid to run their own affairs. However, somehow business people manage to avoid getting screwed, while government agencies are notorious for craft and corruption.

Individuals who were contracting someone to build a home would elect to cut out things to reduce costs, thinking that it wouldn't really matter THAT much.

You really think people are that stupid?

Of course, building inspectors in foreign countries are routinely bought off. I guess that could happen here too. But we wouldn't need inspectors if there weren't any regulation, would we?

Actually, no, we don't need government building inspectors because private corporations would hire their own.

A few years ago the government inspector assigned to inspect freeway overpasses accepted drugs for an inspection pass. Many of those he passed are unsafe. When his corruption was discovered, everything had to be reinspected and they are still being retrofitted.

Being a government employee does NOT guarantee performance. TSA agents steal from passengers, mail carriers throw mail away. The difference is, it's harder to fire a government worker.

 

[Jarlaxle]

How about eliimation of building codes and zoning requirements.

You rwers okay with that?

I live in a house built with no codes and probably no permits. If anything, it is built better than my mother's new (<10 years) house. It has stood through the worst hurricane ever to hit this area (1938), a couple dozen other hurricanes, many blizzards (there was a roof-high drift against it in 1978, and that's 30'), and several trees falling on it.

 

[bripat9643]

HAHA WOW!! I had to read that twice. "The govt in Mexico runs everything".

I have a few drug cartels that may beg to differ.

Are we discussing criminal organizations or law abiding citizens?

we have drug cartels in this country as well.

 

[bripat9643]

I've never heard of a gay porn theater. Most porn theaters have disappeared because the internet has made them obsolete. Furthermore, why would anyone put a theater of any kind in a residential area?

Also, why would a gun range open in a residential neighborhood? Like any other business, gun ranges want their high visibility to their customers. That means locating on major thoroughfares. That where gun ranges are typically located. Even if they did open in a residential neighborhood, the locals have little to fear. You can't hear a thing from outside the building, and bullets can't penetrate the walls. I've been in gun ranges that were located right between to busy stores. If shoppers have nothing to fear, then why would anyone in a residential area?

As for the liquor store example, I doubt you'll find any libertarians who think it should be legal to sell alcohol to minors. I've seen many liquor stores located quite near schools. Society hasn't collapsed as a result.

A civil society requires police to prevent criminals from mugging, killing or robbing you, a military to protect you from foreign invaders and a court system.

That's all the government it requires.

I am on a City Planning Commission. We are all quite pro-business and quite conservative. We just denied a mixed use softball training facility in an industrial park building which
had manufacturing in the front. Why? Well, most every city would do the same thing so that little kids don't get run over by commercial vehicles.

Why don't we just let people have at it and do whatever they want? Well, public safety issues aside, the City / individuals would in office would be sued blind for negligence by letting the scenario unfold.


Your brainless narco-Libertarian theory is a pathetic joke in the real world, which is why it is not practiced anywhere on the globe.

Well said. While we've had our differences, we've both seen govt from the inside: You as a planning commission member, me as a police officer. Sometimes, the public doesnt see the "why" of government. They only see what they want to be pissed about. Or, as some have said, the better job a government does, the less it's people think they need them. The bubble of safety and prosperity our people live under has spoiled them a bit, but thats good that our country, states and cities are so great. I just hate when people get so (whats the word)....committed to a belief of being anti-govt that they start advocating getting rid of the parts of government that are truly needed and truly do good for us.

Without city planning folks.....many of our towns would be chaotic. At some point, individuals have to come together in the same room, brainstorm, and figure out how to make it run smoothly. Thats what govt is.

Horseshit. Do I have to remind you that Houston does not have any zoning laws?

Being a police officer does not make you an expert in sociology or government.

This country existed for 150 years without any federal regulations whatsoever. Somehow we managed to survive.

 

[bripat9643]

Because they do the same mission: try to regulate business and residential areas to a civil, efficient manner.

For example, having a gay porn theater open up next to your kids elementary school would be bad. So would opening a gun range behind your yard. Or a drive-through liquor store with beer in vending machines next to a high school and hotel.

Its not always easy to "If you dont like it just move". A civil, efficient society requires some governance.

I've never heard of a gay porn theater. Most porn theaters have disappeared because the internet has made them obsolete. Furthermore, why would anyone put a theater of any kind in a residential area?

Also, why would a gun range open in a residential neighborhood? Like any other business, gun ranges want their high visibility to their customers. That means locating on major thoroughfares. That where gun ranges are typically located. Even if they did open in a residential neighborhood, the locals have little to fear. You can't hear a thing from outside the building, and bullets can't penetrate the walls. I've been in gun ranges that were located right between to busy stores. If shoppers have nothing to fear, then why would anyone in a residential area?

As for the liquor store example, I doubt you'll find any libertarians who think it should be legal to sell alcohol to minors. I've seen many liquor stores located quite near schools. Society hasn't collapsed as a result.

A civil society requires police to prevent criminals from mugging, killing or robbing you, a military to protect you from foreign invaders and a court system.

That's all the government it requires.

I am on a City Planning Commission. We are all quite pro-business and quite conservative. We just denied a mixed use softball training facility in an industrial park building which
had manufacturing in the front. Why? Well, most every city would do the same thing so that little kids don't get run over by commercial vehicles.

Why don't we just let people have at it and do whatever they want? Well, public safety issues aside, the City / individuals would in office would be sued blind for negligence by letting the scenario unfold.


Your brainless narco-Libertarian theory is a pathetic joke in the real world, which is why it is not practiced anywhere on the globe.

Of course, we're supposed to take your word for it that there was actually any danger to the little tykes involved. I would imagine their parents would drive them to the facility, so the chance of getting run over was infinitesimal. Of course, when the people making the decision have no skin in the game, a 1:1,000,000,000,000 chance of getting sued is enough to control their decision making process. That's one of the main problems with government bureaucrats making decisions for other people. The best interests of the community aren't necessarily on their agenda.

 

[SniperFire]

I've never heard of a gay porn theater. Most porn theaters have disappeared because the internet has made them obsolete. Furthermore, why would anyone put a theater of any kind in a residential area?

Also, why would a gun range open in a residential neighborhood? Like any other business, gun ranges want their high visibility to their customers. That means locating on major thoroughfares. That where gun ranges are typically located. Even if they did open in a residential neighborhood, the locals have little to fear. You can't hear a thing from outside the building, and bullets can't penetrate the walls. I've been in gun ranges that were located right between to busy stores. If shoppers have nothing to fear, then why would anyone in a residential area?

As for the liquor store example, I doubt you'll find any libertarians who think it should be legal to sell alcohol to minors. I've seen many liquor stores located quite near schools. Society hasn't collapsed as a result.

A civil society requires police to prevent criminals from mugging, killing or robbing you, a military to protect you from foreign invaders and a court system.

That's all the government it requires.

I am on a City Planning Commission. We are all quite pro-business and quite conservative. We just denied a mixed use softball training facility in an industrial park building which
had manufacturing in the front. Why? Well, most every city would do the same thing so that little kids don't get run over by commercial vehicles.

Why don't we just let people have at it and do whatever they want? Well, public safety issues aside, the City / individuals would in office would be sued blind for negligence by letting the scenario unfold.


Your brainless narco-Libertarian theory is a pathetic joke in the real world, which is why it is not practiced anywhere on the globe.

Of course, we're supposed to take your word for it that there was actually any danger to the little tykes involved. I would imagine their parents would drive them to the facility, so the chance of getting run over was infinitesimal. Of course, when the people making the decision have no skin in the game, a 1:1,000,000,000,000 chance of getting sued is enough to control their decision making process. That's one of the main problems with government bureaucrats making decisions for other people. The best interests of the community aren't necessarily on their agenda.

Spoken like somebody who hasn't a fucking clue. I could just see you standing up in a public hearing and arguing there is no public danger of putting playgrounds in the same building which houses a cement mixing company. You would be laughed out of the building by everyone present.

But enjoy your pretend world of esoteric theory. Sounds kewl on in a message forum even though it isn't practiced anywhere on the globe due to it's abject stupidity.

 

[Harry Dresden]

You think people worry about earthquakes? Without regulation, contractors would cut corners (unseen by potential homeowners). Concrete would have a higher percentage of sand. Frames would not be as strong. The wiring wouldn't be up to carrying heavier loads (possibility of fire). The insulation (against both temperature and sound) wouldn't be present. Floor joists would likely be further apart, resulting in sagging floors after a few years.

Plumbing would be slipshod and likely leak before too long.

You get the picture.

Bullshit. When I worked construction, it wasn't the city inspector who made sure the fireproofing was installed correctly. The company insuring the building sent out inspectors to make sure it was done correctly. The same goes for the sprinkler system, the concrete quality and the steel framing.

In the case of residential construction, whoever is paying to have the development built pays professional inspectors to make sure all the work is done correctly according to code. Liberalism is based on the assumption that people are too stupid to run their own affairs. However, somehow business people manage to avoid getting screwed, while government agencies are notorious for craft and corruption.



You really think people are that stupid?

Of course, building inspectors in foreign countries are routinely bought off. I guess that could happen here too. But we wouldn't need inspectors if there weren't any regulation, would we?

Actually, no, we don't need government building inspectors because private corporations would hire their own.

A few years ago the government inspector assigned to inspect freeway overpasses accepted drugs for an inspection pass. Many of those he passed are unsafe. When his corruption was discovered, everything had to be reinspected and they are still being retrofitted.

Being a government employee does NOT guarantee performance. TSA agents steal from passengers, mail carriers throw mail away. The difference is, it's harder to fire a government worker.

you throw mail away or steal from the mail....and you get caught....you get fired.....

 

[Ravi]

It costs me roughly $600 a year to get various permits/licenses from state and local governments. What I get in return is much, much more.

This thread is full of whiners that could never make it.

 

[copsnrobbers]

It costs me roughly $600 a year to get various permits/licenses from state and local governments. What I get in return is much, much more.

This thread is full of whiners that could never make it.

That's the first time you ever posted something I agree with!

 

[bripat9643]

It costs me roughly $600 a year to get various permits/licenses from state and local governments. What I get in return is much, much more.

This thread is full of whiners that could never make it.

What do you get in return?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

It costs me roughly $600 a year to get various permits/licenses from state and local governments. What I get in return is much, much more.

This thread is full of whiners that could never make it.

What, exactly, do you get for that $600 a year?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

It costs me roughly $600 a year to get various permits/licenses from state and local governments. What I get in return is much, much more.

This thread is full of whiners that could never make it.

What do you get in return?

Roads and bridges.

 

[Jarlaxle]

It costs me roughly $600 a year to get various permits/licenses from state and local governments. What I get in return is much, much more.

This thread is full of whiners that could never make it.

What do you get in return?

Clearly, brainwashed. Maybe more of a light rinse, in his case.

 

[bripat9643]

It costs me roughly $600 a year to get various permits/licenses from state and local governments. What I get in return is much, much more.

This thread is full of whiners that could never make it.

What do you get in return?

Clearly, brainwashed. Maybe more of a light rinse, in his case.

He/she can't tell us what he/she gets.

 

[bucs90]

What do you get in return?

Clearly, brainwashed. Maybe more of a light rinse, in his case.

He/she can't tell us what he/she gets.

I'd guess he or she gets:

Roads
Fire protection
Police protection
Education for a workforce
Holding competitors to fair practices

Just to name a few. Pretty good bargain.

 

[bripat9643]

Clearly, brainwashed. Maybe more of a light rinse, in his case.

He/she can't tell us what he/she gets.

I'd guess he or she gets:

Roads
Fire protection
Police protection
Education for a workforce
Holding competitors to fair practices

Just to name a few. Pretty good bargain.

That comes from paying taxes, not from being required to obtain a business license. Furthermore, all of that can be provided by private corporations.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Clearly, brainwashed. Maybe more of a light rinse, in his case.

He/she can't tell us what he/she gets.

I'd guess he or she gets:

Roads
Fire protection
Police protection
Education for a workforce
Holding competitors to fair practices

Just to name a few. Pretty good bargain.

She pays an extra $600 a year and gets exactly the same the same thing anyone who doesn't pay that money gets, which is really stupid.

 

[koshergrl]

The left, you gotta love them. They take an argument that has never been made, and "assign" it to the opponent, demanding that they defend it.

What intellectual dwarfs.

Well, for one, I'm not "the left". Both sides suck. Romney and Obama are both sorry ass liars.


And I'm not asking anyone to defend business permits. Im asking if you support them, or think they should be repealed?

Very simple question. Should you have to ask the govt for permission to open a business? As radically pro-business, small govt as the right is lately, I'd think its an easy answer.

Yeah, that's what all lefties say. We have a whole population of them who claim to be right wing (rightwinger comes to mind) or moderate, or "independent" but despite that, they still hug the progressive line.

The fact that you declare the right is "radically" anything shows exactly where you are. Despite your protestation to the contrary, and evidenced by the ridiculous OP.

 

[Ravi]

It costs me roughly $600 a year to get various permits/licenses from state and local governments. What I get in return is much, much more.

This thread is full of whiners that could never make it.

What do you get in return?

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