Right Wing World: Conservative America's Coming Civil War?

[JakeStarkey]

Precisely... and if that rioting starts to get out of hand as in marauding bands of thugs pillaging, and thus home owners defending themselves and their homes with deadly force, it could look a whole lot like a WAR depending on how widespread it gets.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Right Wing World: Conservative America's Coming Civil War?

Conservative America has a vast noise machine, and one arm of it consists of avowedly conservative noise makers otherwise known as think tanks. One of these think tanks is the newly demented-de-minted Heritage Foundation which has lost what little credibility it had by appointing Tea Party Whack-a-doodle, Jim Demint, as it's head. Another think tank is the American Enterprise Institute (AEI - a home for demented cold warriors and other misfits). At this AEI they have visiting scholars, one of which is paid to pump out alarmist propaganda under the guise of scholarship...

Meet Arthur L. Herman, a revisionist historian ("an American popular historian, currently serving as a visiting scholar at the American Enterprise Institute") who "generally employs the Great Man perspective in his work, which is 19th-century historical methodology attributing human events and their outcomes to the singular efforts of great men (and occasionally women)..."

Fox News Opinion blogs:

We're now one step closer to America's coming civil war

By Arthur Herman | Published January 03, 2013 | FoxNews.com

Consider this story from the Wall Street Journal a few days before Christmas:

“Thousands of people in several Argentine cities ransacked supermarkets for a second day in the latest challenge to President Chistina Kirchner, who is struggling to revive a weak economy...In the central city Rosario, two people were killed during the incidents and 137 people arrested.

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Some have said my warnings about a coming civil war between makers and takers are exaggerated. It’s true that Argentina’s politicians have been waging class warfare since Juan and Eva Peron–and they aren’t fazed when it turns bloody. Obama and the Democrats are relative newcomers to the game. But Argentina reveals who really suffers when those who create a nation’s wealth get mugged by those who spend it–as just happened this week in Washington.

It’s the poor and the middle class, the very ones big government says it’s trying to protect.

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When the economy tanks and the government checks have to shrink, their only alternative is to take to the streets. That’s what happening in Argentina, and in Greece; and that’s where the growth of government is taking us here, as this current budget deal increases handouts–and more and more Americans are finding that an unemployment or Social Security disability check is their only life line.

Washington’s Republicans and Democrats alike have become the toll collectors on the road to serfdom–and the road to Rosario.

Now you know the how, where, and why wingnuts at USMB and elsewhere get their whacky world views...


note: did I fail to mention Arthur is part of the Liars Club? Yup.

This idiot regurgitates the right-wing unending bullshit that the failure of the Bay of Pigs was the fault of one, and only one man, JFK. He is either completely unaware or choses to completely ignore the fact that the CIA's own internal Inspector General's report put the blame for the failure, not on JFK's shoulders, but on the CIA's.

These simple minded right-wing idiots actually think it was so simple, just send in the Air Force, or the Marines and the problem of Cuba would have been solved. They never explain how. They never tell what would the Soviets do if JFK did that? Would they take Berlin in response? Then what happens?

The Liars Club: Today's Idiot - Arthur Herman

Dante

dD

 

[Katzndogz]

Talk is cheap, unless it is sedition; then, it could be expensive.

Just what is being proposed here, an insurrection against a democratically elected body of representatives? Against the constitution that forbids such attacks? And it is seriously thought that large numbers will join to die for - what, exactly? A new government of a minority élite of some kind?

And you think the armed forces sworn to uphold this government are going to throw that away for who-knows-what?

Actually, you are wrong. No one is proposing an insurrection against an elected body of representatives. What people are proposing is a rebellion against predatory street thugs. I don't know of a single person in the military who took an oath to uphold the government. The oath, including the oath of president is to uphold the Constitution. What happens when the government stops upholding the Constitution? It's anybody's guess.

 

[rightwinger]

Talk is cheap, unless it is sedition; then, it could be expensive.

Just what is being proposed here, an insurrection against a democratically elected body of representatives? Against the constitution that forbids such attacks? And it is seriously thought that large numbers will join to die for - what, exactly? A new government of a minority élite of some kind?

And you think the armed forces sworn to uphold this government are going to throw that away for who-knows-what?

Actually, you are wrong. No one is proposing an insurrection against an elected body of representatives. What people are proposing is a rebellion against predatory street thugs. I don't know of a single person in the military who took an oath to uphold the government. The oath, including the oath of president is to uphold the Constitution. What happens when the government stops upholding the Constitution? It's anybody's guess.

It is not up to the individual soldier to interpret the Constitution

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Talk is cheap, unless it is sedition; then, it could be expensive.

Just what is being proposed here, an insurrection against a democratically elected body of representatives? Against the constitution that forbids such attacks? And it is seriously thought that large numbers will join to die for - what, exactly? A new government of a minority élite of some kind?

And you think the armed forces sworn to uphold this government are going to throw that away for who-knows-what?

Actually, you are wrong. No one is proposing an insurrection against an elected body of representatives. What people are proposing is a rebellion against predatory street thugs. I don't know of a single person in the military who took an oath to uphold the government. The oath, including the oath of president is to uphold the Constitution. What happens when the government stops upholding the Constitution? It's anybody's guess.

The US Constitution and the government are doing just fine thank you.

now run along before somebody drops a house on you

 

[Katzndogz]

Talk is cheap, unless it is sedition; then, it could be expensive.

Just what is being proposed here, an insurrection against a democratically elected body of representatives? Against the constitution that forbids such attacks? And it is seriously thought that large numbers will join to die for - what, exactly? A new government of a minority élite of some kind?

And you think the armed forces sworn to uphold this government are going to throw that away for who-knows-what?

Actually, you are wrong. No one is proposing an insurrection against an elected body of representatives. What people are proposing is a rebellion against predatory street thugs. I don't know of a single person in the military who took an oath to uphold the government. The oath, including the oath of president is to uphold the Constitution. What happens when the government stops upholding the Constitution? It's anybody's guess.

It is not up to the individual soldier to interpret the Constitution

They are sworn to uphold the Constitution against all enemies both foreign and domestic. Not interpret the Constitution, but uphold it. No one really considered what would happen when the government stops obeying the Constitution. But, unless street gangs, home invaders and drug dealers become part of the presidebt's military force swearing allegiance only to him, there will be no insurrection just street battles against the thugs.

As I watched Los Angeles burn in 1992, I did wonder what would happen if armed citizens had poured out of their homes into the streets to engage in firefights with looters. If men and women like the Korean shop owners had not merely gone to rooftops but porches and alleys as well.

The day is coming, not for insurrection but for a citizenry determined not to be victims any longer. Let the government keep the peace with that one.

 

[Katzndogz]

Talk is cheap, unless it is sedition; then, it could be expensive.

Just what is being proposed here, an insurrection against a democratically elected body of representatives? Against the constitution that forbids such attacks? And it is seriously thought that large numbers will join to die for - what, exactly? A new government of a minority élite of some kind?

And you think the armed forces sworn to uphold this government are going to throw that away for who-knows-what?

Actually, you are wrong. No one is proposing an insurrection against an elected body of representatives. What people are proposing is a rebellion against predatory street thugs. I don't know of a single person in the military who took an oath to uphold the government. The oath, including the oath of president is to uphold the Constitution. What happens when the government stops upholding the Constitution? It's anybody's guess.

The US Constitution and the government are doing just fine thank you.

now run along before somebody drops a house on you

So that's why liberals want the Constitution scrapped! It's doing so well. The government, well, it's failing now. If you want me to run along, what do you expect to do to effect that?

 

[there4eyeM]

What is being spoken of is vigilantism. When that happens, the line between the violent parties gets tenuous. Whom do you shoot and how do you know?

These are extraordinary scenarios people are thinking up to try to justify their cache of arms.

I have nothing against firearms, and in fact find them almost fascinating as precision mechanisms. I have owned a few and grew up with them in the house. The problem is that too many people who have a very poor idea what can and should be done with one have many. Of course, we could say that about children as well. And that is lamentable, the very low level of consciousness associated with the magnitude of the results of decisions poorly arrived at.

 

[B. Kidd]

It should be obvious by now that the public is arming itself for something. Although it's probably not any kind of action against the government, but the people fighting one another.

In Utah a gun show drew 20,000 people the first day and the vendors ran out of merchandise. California, long lines waiting to get into a local gun show. Chicago's gun shops have empty shelves. 8,000 people in a few hours at a Florida gun show. In Colorado a background check that used to take 15 minutes now has a lag time of 8 days.

What do you think is happening?

Here in Yuma last week at the gun show, you couldn't even get a parking spot!!!

If a civil war does break out, the looney left will attrition to using spitballs for ammo.......

 

[Katzndogz]

actually, if you had and reading and comprehension skills you'd see where the right wing is saying they feel threatened and they say why...the boogey man is poor people and minorities, as well as the 47% rioting in the streets.

Since it's the poor people and minorities being threatening, there is good reason to feel threatened. That, and liberal judges are emptying the prisons as fast as they can.

Yup, that's why the USA has the highest per capital prison population in the world.

That's what usually happens when such a large number of people break the law.

 

[Mac1958]

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Just out of curiosity, precisely whom do you folks plan on shooting?

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[Katzndogz]

It should be obvious by now that the public is arming itself for something. Although it's probably not any kind of action against the government, but the people fighting one another.

In Utah a gun show drew 20,000 people the first day and the vendors ran out of merchandise. California, long lines waiting to get into a local gun show. Chicago's gun shops have empty shelves. 8,000 people in a few hours at a Florida gun show. In Colorado a background check that used to take 15 minutes now has a lag time of 8 days.

What do you think is happening?

Here in Yuma last week at the gun show, you couldn't even get a parking spot!!!

If a civil war does break out, the looney left will attrition to using spitballs for ammo.......

In Utah a gun show ran out of merchandise in half a day. In California, vendors were reduced to taking orders and giving rain checks and there were still long lines. In Chicago, gun shop stores have empty shelves. In spite of all this, people aren't really considering insurrection against the government. They just correctly see the government breaking down and being unable to exert its authority. If there were a situation such as has happened in Syria, would obama step down, or use sarin gas on Aspen?

 

[bodecea]

It should be obvious by now that the public is arming itself for something. Although it's probably not any kind of action against the government, but the people fighting one another.

In Utah a gun show drew 20,000 people the first day and the vendors ran out of merchandise. California, long lines waiting to get into a local gun show. Chicago's gun shops have empty shelves. 8,000 people in a few hours at a Florida gun show. In Colorado a background check that used to take 15 minutes now has a lag time of 8 days.

What do you think is happening?

Gun manufacturers getting richer (need to buy me some stock).

 

[B. Kidd]

It should be obvious by now that the public is arming itself for something. Although it's probably not any kind of action against the government, but the people fighting one another.

In Utah a gun show drew 20,000 people the first day and the vendors ran out of merchandise. California, long lines waiting to get into a local gun show. Chicago's gun shops have empty shelves. 8,000 people in a few hours at a Florida gun show. In Colorado a background check that used to take 15 minutes now has a lag time of 8 days.

What do you think is happening?

Here in Yuma last week at the gun show, you couldn't even get a parking spot!!!

If a civil war does break out, the looney left will attrition to using spitballs for ammo.......

In Utah a gun show ran out of merchandise in half a day. In California, vendors were reduced to taking orders and giving rain checks and there were still long lines. In Chicago, gun shop stores have empty shelves. In spite of all this, people aren't really considering insurrection against the government. They just correctly see the government breaking down and being unable to exert its authority. If there were a situation such as has happened in Syria, would obama step down, or use sarin gas on Aspen?

Will use Predators, minus the gas, hopefully.......................

 

[JakeStarkey]

Since it's the poor people and minorities being threatening, there is good reason to feel threatened. That, and liberal judges are emptying the prisons as fast as they can.

Yup, that's why the USA has the highest per capital prison population in the world.

That's what usually happens when such a large number of people break the law.

Work on your logic

 

[CrusaderFrank]

In a word, paranoia.

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Kind of like the Jews in Germany in 1932, right? That kind of paranoid?

no, kind of like you, right now, francie.

keep swinging

Trillion $ deficits

President who calls us "the enemy"

President who tells people "We're God's partners in matters of Life and death"

Yeah, nothing to worry about

That's normal

 

[JakeStarkey]

Yup, you are the 2013 equivalent in America to the Jews in 1932 Germany, frankie.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

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Just out of curiosity, precisely whom do you folks plan on shooting?

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Why do you ask?

 

[Katzndogz]

Here in Yuma last week at the gun show, you couldn't even get a parking spot!!!

If a civil war does break out, the looney left will attrition to using spitballs for ammo.......

In Utah a gun show ran out of merchandise in half a day. In California, vendors were reduced to taking orders and giving rain checks and there were still long lines. In Chicago, gun shop stores have empty shelves. In spite of all this, people aren't really considering insurrection against the government. They just correctly see the government breaking down and being unable to exert its authority. If there were a situation such as has happened in Syria, would obama step down, or use sarin gas on Aspen?

Will use Predators, minus the gas, hopefully.......................

It is a kind of schadenfreude but the thought of obama's face beamed around the world as he makes war on his own people is just amusing. To have obama go down in history right along with Bashir Assad is not completely objectionable. It is certainly called for! Except, gee, Assad is getting help from Russia in hiding. obama won't be so fortunate. Maybe Iran will take him in? Ya think? After all, an insurrection by a minority of people wasn't quite enough to save Mubarak?

Enough speculation. Insurrection isn't why people are arming themselves like this. It isn't the government they are afraid of, it's the lack of government.

 

[Mac1958]

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Just out of curiosity, precisely whom do you folks plan on shooting?

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Why do you ask?

Well, as I said, just curious. My guess is that many haven't really thought that one through.

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