'Right Wing Extremist' speaker withdraws from West Point event after protests

[JakeStarkey]

Says who? Who said they have to be "known?"

Membership in the KKK is prohibited by military personnel.

How can you even think that speaking against racism is anywhere akin to speaking against a religion in front of followers of that religion? That's ludicrous.

That sounds like a violation of the First Amendment, which guarantees your freedom of association.

Islam is a racist religion. It's no better than the KKK.

Are you brain damaged? Of course the military (under the UCMJ) can restrict the activities of military personnel.

Don't talk about what you don't know, if you don't want to look ignorant, which you just did.

 

[Mr.Nick]

I live in a world full of idiots...

I know, I saw the vid of yourXXXXX-no family...

Good example of authoritarianism...

Allegedly the state now wants to manifest his case as precedence, meaning it will be in law journals etc....

That is the rumor going around amongst attorneys who are in the loop..

 

[Dr Grump]

so was the old fella convicted?

 

[Mr.Nick]

What we have, Steph, is using terms correctly, something both the far right (you guys are all nazis) and the far right (the left is all socialists and marxists) have real problems doing. Hmmm?

Yet you labeled me as a progressive. ..

You are a rw progressive statist. That's not a bad thing, it simply is what it is.

I'm a statist???



I'm one of the most open libertarians on this board...

 

[JakeStarkey]

When a libertarian wishes to use big government to enforce her beliefs, then she is a statist.

But tell you what? I will withhold from saying it again until you give proof of it anew.

 

[Mr.Nick]

so was the old fella convicted?

My father was convicted after the states attorney said: "find this man guilty or he will sue", and that is verbatim what she said.

The case is being appealed right now.

We had a site up that had the trial transcripts but the judge told my dads lawyer if my dad didn't take the site down he would continually rule against his clients.

You don't even know how fucked this system is..

This county has lots of problems, there are two national cases in which they KNOWINGLY jailed innocent people, despite DNA evidence that proved they did nothing but beat confessions out of them. One of them being a father (Jerry Hobbs) who was beaten into submission then forced to confess to murdering his daughter and her friend , then there are cases in which the police murdered people...

Don't take my word - read the media.

Lake County Illinois...

 

[Vast LWC]

Yet you labeled me as a progressive.

I know what progressive, conservative, liberal, Marxism, socialism and communism mean.

I also know how to apply the words...

They're words that have specific meanings..

I will say communism and socialism are oxymoronic...

I would love to know why anarchists and communists form an alliance?

Oh yeah because they both don't understand their philosophy but have something in common - they hate capitalism.

You would think theoretically capitalism would be a trait of anarchists anyways..... NOPE.

I live in a world full of idiots...

It's easy to see why some Communists and Anarchists might team up, you just need the right illustration:

Anarchists can be left or right wing leaning, and therefore a bunch of left-leaning anarchists could easily team up with Communists for a full-on left wing cause.

In the same way, libertarian leaning liberals, like myself (see red spot on chart) could team up with libertarian leaning conservatives for a purely libertarian cause.

However, since the term "Progressive" is definitely defined as a statist-liberal, I think you're right, it could not be applied to you. You would be more of a statist-conservative.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Progressive is defined by regressive thinkers as "statist-liberals" when it is in fact a reform impulse using politics to change society governmentally, culturally, and economically.

Please use the term appropriately.

 

[Conservative]

Known klansmen aren't allowed in the military. Fail.

Says who? Who said they have to be "known?"

Membership in the KKK is prohibited by military personnel.

How can you even think that speaking against racism is anywhere akin to speaking against a religion in front of followers of that religion? That's ludicrous.

apparently your information is in error...

Lax regulations open U.S. Military doors to White Supremacy | NowPublic News Coverage

Soldiers' associations with extremist groups, and their racist actions, contravene a host of military statutes instituted in the past three decades. But during the "war on terror," U.S. armed forces have turned a blind eye on their own regulations. A 2005 Department of Defense report states, "Effectively, the military has a 'don't ask, don't tell' policy pertaining to extremism. If individuals can perform satisfactorily, without making their extremist opinions overt … they are likely to be able to complete their contracts."

 

[bripat9643]

Membership in the KKK is prohibited by military personnel.

How can you even think that speaking against racism is anywhere akin to speaking against a religion in front of followers of that religion? That's ludicrous.

That sounds like a violation of the First Amendment, which guarantees your freedom of association.

Islam is a racist religion. It's no better than the KKK.

Are you brain damaged? Of course the military (under the UCMJ) can restrict the activities of military personnel.

Where does the Constitution say the military can violate the Bill of Rights?

Don't talk about what you don't know, if you don't want to look ignorant, which you just did.

I know what the Constitution says, jackass. You obviously don't care what it says.

 

[bripat9643]

When a libertarian wishes to use big government to enforce her beliefs, then she is a statist.

Which libertarian did that?

 

[Vast LWC]

Progressive is defined by regressive thinkers as "statist-liberals" when it is in fact a reform impulse using politics to change society governmentally, culturally, and economically.

Please use the term appropriately.

Using government, through politics, to change culture and economics, would be just statist.

So, basically you're equating the term "progressive" with "totalitarian", and including all the right-wing moral reformers in with the left-wing economic reformers?

I hadn't heard that term defined that way before. But who knows? Terms change I guess.

 

[bripat9643]

Progressive is defined by regressive thinkers as "statist-liberals" when it is in fact a reform impulse using politics to change society governmentally, culturally, and economically.

Please use the term appropriately.

Socialism isn't a reform. It's as old as civilization. It has never worked in the past, and it will never work in the future.

A socialist is a statist.

 

[Vast LWC]

When a libertarian wishes to use big government to enforce her beliefs, then she is a statist.

Which libertarian did that?

Yeah, that would be a contradiction in terms.

 

[Mr.Nick]

Yet you labeled me as a progressive.

I know what progressive, conservative, liberal, Marxism, socialism and communism mean.

I also know how to apply the words...

They're words that have specific meanings..

I will say communism and socialism are oxymoronic...

I would love to know why anarchists and communists form an alliance?

Oh yeah because they both don't understand their philosophy but have something in common - they hate capitalism.

You would think theoretically capitalism would be a trait of anarchists anyways..... NOPE.

I live in a world full of idiots...

It's easy to see why some Communists and Anarchists might team up, you just need the right illustration:

Anarchists can be left or right wing leaning, and therefore a bunch of left-leaning anarchists could easily team up with Communists for a full-on left wing cause.

In the same way, libertarian leaning liberals, like myself (see red spot on chart) could team up with libertarian leaning conservatives for a purely libertarian cause.

However, since the term "Progressive" is definitely defined as a statist-liberal, I think you're right, it could not be applied to you. You would be more of a statist-conservative.

Anarchy is no law, no government no ruling power..

Communism is authoritarian rule and dictated economy - its socialism just monitored and dictated.

Both ideas are polar opposites...

Socialism is a dictated economic model, capitalism is a free market based economy with no dictation or regulation (not that we subscribe to or practice such idea as a society, this is Keynesian presently )...

 

[JakeStarkey]

Progressive is defined by regressive thinkers as "statist-liberals" when it is in fact a reform impulse using politics to change society governmentally, culturally, and economically.

Please use the term appropriately.

Using government, through politics, to change culture and economics, would be just statist.

So, basically you're equating the term "progressive" with "totalitarian", and including all the right-wing moral reformers in with the left-wing economic reformers?

I hadn't heard that term defined that way before. But who knows? Terms change I guess.

Poll taxes are authoritarian? (read 'statist' for authoritarian)

Legislated busing for integration or segregation is authoritarian?

You are arguing republicanism, government by representation, is authoritarian?

Progressivism has been around since before 1900 and is used by right and left: prohibition, pro-life, women's rights.

Come on, words and terms have defined meanings.

We are entitled to our beliefs and opinions but not to redefinitions.

 

[Vast LWC]

Anarchy is no law, no government no ruling power..

Communism is authoritarian rule and dictated economy - its socialism just monitored and dictated.

Both ideas are polar opposites...

Socialism is a dictated economic model, capitalism is a free market based economy with no dictation or regulation (not that we subscribe to or practice such idea as a society, this is Keynesian presently )...

True. But Communists lean to the left side of the Statist area, and certainly there are anarchists that also lean that way, though just as many lean to the right.

Sure, if they were true 100% anarchists, you would have a point, but is anyone really 100%?

So, if you had some leftward-leaning anarchists, and some communists, and a point for them to rally around that was truly left-wing in nature, then you might have a meeting of minds, at least for that left-wing issue.

And just because the right doesn't believe in economic control, does not mean they don't have their statist wing. Right-wing statists believe in moral control and economic freedom.

 

[Mr.Nick]

Progressive is defined by regressive thinkers as "statist-liberals" when it is in fact a reform impulse using politics to change society governmentally, culturally, and economically.

Please use the term appropriately.

Socialism isn't a reform. It's as old as civilization. It has never worked in the past, and it will never work in the future.

A socialist is a statist.

Communism sure....

Wide scale the commune doesn't work..... 300,000,000 people can not operate as a fucking commune.

That is where evil governments come in and force people to do such...

I want to decide what I believe and I have every right to.

I want to be an individual....I'm not a collectivist ..

 

[Vast LWC]

Poll taxes are authoritarian? (read 'statist' for authoritarian)

Legislated busing for integration or segregation is authoritarian?

You are arguing republicanism, government by representation, is authoritarian?

Progressivism has been around since before 1900 and is used by right and left: prohibition, pro-life, women's rights.

Come on, words and terms have defined meanings.

We are entitled to our beliefs and opinions but not to redefinitions.

No, wait, you know what? You're totally right.

I mean, in modern politics, it has taken a definite left-wing categorization, mainly thanks to certain socialist types, but I guess it has just as often applied to right-wing statists throughout history.

Sometimes you hear a term used so much in a certain way, that it takes on a certain definition for you, you know?

Progressivism does in fact equal statism or authoritarianism.

Progressivism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Learn something new every day I guess.

 

[Vast LWC]

Socialism isn't a reform. It's as old as civilization. It has never worked in the past, and it will never work in the future.

A socialist is a statist.

A socialist is a Left-wing statist, while a fascist is a right-wing statist.

The former controls the economy through government, the latter controls the culture through government.

And apparently, both of them are progressives...