Right-Wing Extremism: The Real Referendum of 2012

I will not vote because my vote has to be earned. "Vote for us to keep the other guy out" is the worst possible appeal to emotion. When we keep voting for the lesser of two evils, we get more and more evils to choose from.

It is time for this illogic to be stopped.

I firmly believe the crazies in the GOP helped elect Barack Obama, and stand a good chance of re-electing him. They got the President they deserved, and their wailing and gnashing of teeth is pleasing to my ears.

Wow. That's extremely refreshing to read, from either side of the aisle. My own reasons for voting for Obama go beyond keeping Romney out, but that's certainly part of it, I won't lie. But I wonder many other Republicans feel the way you do. You definitely don't hear that kind of calm, rational thought in the media, anywhere. Well no, actually "The Daily Show" just ripped both sides of the recall debate a new asshole and were extremely fair and accurate in all their criticisms, so it does still happen I guess.

And I couldn't possibly agree more on the issue of voting for the lesser of two evils. I kind of felt like Bush/Kerry 2004 was that very scenario, writ large.
 
Ironically, the true extremism is the obsession liberals have in painting right-wingers as being extremists. Being principled and defending ideas instead of politicians and slogans (see: Obama, Barack; "Yes We Can", "Hope", "Change" ) doesn't make us extreme.

Are you honestly trying to tell me that Liberals and Progressives don't have any ideals? Or that our ideals just aren't worth defending? That, right there is what's wrong with this country. We're not all godless, amoral assholes who want to force our way of life on anyone. We just think that freedoms such as marriage should apply to all people since marriage is essentially a legal contract between two people, at the end of the day. (Before you scream and tell me I'm an idiot, if you don't think it's a business contract, and subject to government mandates on discrimination, are you willing to give up all your tax and insurance benefits from your heterosexual marriage?) We believe in the government helping out where it can, to anyone who needs it. We have principles that dictate that no human being should be denied health care because protecting someone's health and well-being is the most important thing we can do for each other as human beings.

"BUT LIBERALS DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO PAY FOR ANYTHING!!!"

Right?

Wrong. We want our tax dollars to pay for the things we want, just as you do. You may think it's socialist nonsense to have Federally paid for health coverage. I happen to think that pumping money into the military industrial complex just keep companies like Haliburton raking in the cash is disgusting and our defense budget could be severely thrashed and we'd still be able to defend ourselves.

We just disagree on some of the principles we have. That doesn't make us shitty people. It just means we disagree. Extremists on both sides are the ones saying that their political opponent has nothing worthy to add to the discussion. It's just not true, and it's a dangerous environment to create.

(And now begins the "Fuck you" "you're a libtard" "stupid hippie" etc comments and comebacks)
 
:lmao: So Lacky, do you ever think for yourself or do you just go with whatever some left wing hack tells ya?

I choose articles that support what I personally believe. Is that okay with you?
so, you cherry pick while ignoring other evidence and facts that are contrary to what you support.

Good to know. Now I can just ignore you.

You should...but funny when his peyote kicks in...Entertainment time.
 
:lmao: So Lacky, do you ever think for yourself or do you just go with whatever some left wing hack tells ya?

I choose articles that support what I personally believe. Is that okay with you?
so, you cherry pick while ignoring other evidence and facts that are contrary to what you support.

Good to know. Now I can just ignore you.

So you're telling us you read DailyKOS, or addictinginfo? You expose yourself to everything from both sides? Do you?

I watch about six hours of TV news programming across the spectrum from Fox News to BBC. I read a ton of shit every single day, from both sides. And I still wound up with a Liberal point of view...so I'm not really sure what your fucking point is, actually.
 
I choose articles that support what I personally believe. Is that okay with you?
so, you cherry pick while ignoring other evidence and facts that are contrary to what you support.

Good to know. Now I can just ignore you.

You should...but funny when his peyote kicks in...Entertainment time.
Yeah. Before I just thought he was a handicapped, rabid partisan. Now it appears that his ignorance is much more willful.
 
so, you cherry pick while ignoring other evidence and facts that are contrary to what you support.

Good to know. Now I can just ignore you.

You should...but funny when his peyote kicks in...Entertainment time.
Yeah. Before I just thought he was a handicapped, rabid partisan. Now it appears that his ignorance is much more willful.
Wilful, ingrained...taught...idiotic.
 
I choose articles that support what I personally believe. Is that okay with you?
so, you cherry pick while ignoring other evidence and facts that are contrary to what you support.

Good to know. Now I can just ignore you.

So you're telling us you read DailyKOS, or addictinginfo? You expose yourself to everything from both sides? Do you?

I watch about six hours of TV news programming across the spectrum from Fox News to BBC. I read a ton of shit every single day, from both sides. And I still wound up with a Liberal point of view...so I'm not really sure what your fucking point is, actually.
Well, first, I haven't invited you into the conversation.

Second. I watch and read every news outlet with the exception of MSNBC. I substitute the DNC for them.

I could care less what poltiical leaning you have, but if what I've read on these forums is any indication, you claim to be a reporter. That means you apply everything you learn as a means to further your own beliefs, rather than just provide facts and allow the reader to make up their own mind.

Last. I doubt you would even understand My point. It requires an open mind.
 
Well, first, I haven't invited you into the conversation.

So we have to be invited into conversations we have on message boards where we can all see what each other reads now? Someone didn't explain to you how message boards work, huh?

Second. I watch and read every news outlet with the exception of MSNBC. I substitute the DNC for them.

Right on. That's a good way to stay informed and see the other person's point of view. I know it helps me tremendously to watch Fox News.

I could care less what poltiical leaning you have, but if what I've read on these forums is any indication, you claim to be a reporter. That means you apply everything you learn as a means to further your own beliefs, rather than just provide facts and allow the reader to make up their own mind.

No, that's never been my claim. I'm not a reporter. I'm a journalist. A writer. I do occasionally report on facts, but I still get to insert commentary in those pieces too, because that's what my client wants from me. If I were to be given the job of just simply reporting facts on a story though, I'd gladly do so. It's just not my current job requirement, whether it be for clients or my own site.

Last. I doubt you would even understand My point. It requires an open mind.

Oh, we're making assumptions about people's open-mindedness now. Okay.
 
There are nutjobs on both sides.

Personally I don't condem the whole side for what a few assholes do.

To bad everyone doesn't feel the same.
 
There are nutjobs on both sides.

Personally I don't condem the whole side for what a few assholes do.

To bad everyone doesn't feel the same.

A few assholes? More Politicians have been killed or injured by lefties then someone on the right.
 
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Here's my problem with the article quoted in the OP.

Starting with the premise that the GOP has been overrun with psychotic maniacs, I happen to completely agree with that.

Arriving at the conclusion that we should go with the Progressive (Liberal) solutions, I happen to vociferously disagree with.

The solution is to eject the airheads from the GOP who currently dominate the rhetorical landscape.


Let me tell you guys something. I am not voting this year. Again. Precisely because I do not succumb to the illogic of the opening post. Just because my party has gone batshit insane does not mean I am going to vote for the other batshit insane party. As for third parties, well, they have always been batshit insane and always will be. I will not throw away my vote on them, because they will take that to mean they are on the right track. So fuck that. My vote has to be earned. Isn't that the free market way? You have to EARN my vote.

And judging by the voter turnout numbers, I am not the only one who has reached this point. This is a rising trend.

So here is the new paradigm to which you must adjust: This year's election, just like the elections of the past six years, is not going to be determined by how many voters each candidate gets to the polls. No, this election is going to be determined by how many voters the other candidate causes to stay home because they are so repulsed by their own party.


What will this mean for the next few years?

In the short term, it means each side will increase their negative attacks on the other, hoping to make the other guy's supporters stay home. But this will only cause the death spiral to accelerate.

In the long run, the grownups will take the parties back and send the people who have the intellectual bandwidth of a bumper stick packing. No more making shit up on the fly, no more parroting of catchphrases, and no more harping on shit that means fuck-all to the real world.

So have your fun while you can, kiddies.

I hope you stick around and converse with me on this one. It's interesting to me that you're a Republican who sees the craziness that your party has embraced and your solution is to not vote. I'm not knocking you for that at all, I'm just taken aback because it's hard enough to get Mitt Romney to distance himself from Trump's birtherism, let alone see an actual Republican flat out call the Tea Party insane.

I actually think you're totally right about voters not showing up because their candidate has pissed them off so badly. There are a great many things I don't like about what Obama has done. However, none of them will keep me from voting for him in the Fall, for a couple reasons. One is that I just don't want Mitt Romney to win. He's Bush on Steroids in so many ways and I think that's a bad move backward. Second is that I still believe in him, and I think he could make a big impact in his second term if cooler heads prevail in Congress.

But I do stand by my assertion, which is the crux of the piece, that Right Wing Extremism has absolutely poisoned the Republican party and that at some point Republicans are going to have to take their party back, or start a new party. I'm not even saying we don't have total nutjobs on our side too, of course we do. I'm not a fan of Green Peace, for instance, because they resort to violence to settle matters of civil discourse and debate.

Anyway, thanks for honestly analyzing my work and giving good, constructive feedback/criticism. In this environment, it's quite refreshing.

If you belong to the "other" party why don't you write about the Democrats taking back their party from the nutjobs, Progressives?
instead you worry about the Republicans..
like you really care
 
If you belong to the "other" party why don't you write about the Democrats taking back their party from the nutjobs, Progressives?
instead you worry about the Republicans..
like you really care

Well, for starters, the extremists in the Republican party are the Tea Party. Not all Progressives are nutty. YOU may think that, but you are extremely biased. I don't deny that there are certainly some extremists in the Democratic party, but I'd like you name some of the ones you think are just crazy, or nutjobs as you put it.

I do care Stephanie. Because there was a time in this country, not that long ago, when both sides could disagree vehemently but compromises were made. One side would step aside to let the majority rule make the call. If it was wrong, the other side would know they'd get their day at the ballot box, and things could be reversed or reformed. Now, it's just "FUCK YOU, YOU LIBTARD COMMIE FAG FACE SHIT EATING FUCK HOLE!" That's not discourse.

I care because I used to be a Republican, and I left because I hated where the party was going on social issues, and the fiscal policies came quickly next when I realized I don't want a government who reinforces the "life isn't fair" axiom. I would like to see the Republican party taken back from the Tea Party because I believe that the Tea Party has been poison to dialogue and discourse and compromise. It's all or nothing with the Tea Party, and frankly, that never works.
 

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