Right of return

[José]

Of course Palestinians cannot force Israel to accept their right to live in their homeland in 2016, they obviously do not have the power to do so... but neither did black South Africans in 1980.

 

[Hossfly]

Hossfly, with all due respect, you're misinterpreting your own post.

You did not say in the bolded, red parts that they will never be allowed to return...

You hit the nail on the head by saying palestinian arabs will never accept the partition of their homeland and their exile from it.

Originally posted by Hossfly
My summary is: The Palestinians, acting under Arab League guidance will never recognize Israel.

My conclusion: Quoting a proclamation by a Jewish friend of mine I can state that in my lifetime and my children's lifetimes, and in my grand children's and great-grand children's lifetimes, there will never be a sovereign State of Palestine. You can take that to the bank. And the West Bank.

Thanks, ESP

The Right Of Return was explained in the OP link. The second quote in red is the quote my friend used to say and to have it as his signature response.
Right Roudy ?

 

[Hollie]

Of course Palestinians cannot force Israel to accept their right to live in their homeland in 2016, they obviously do not have the power to do so... but neither did black South Africans in 1980.

I'm afraid the Jordanians, Syrians and Egyptians are not going to allow the right of return for the falsely labeled "Pal'istanians".

 

[Hossfly]

Of course Palestinians cannot force Israel to accept their right to live in their homeland in 2016, they obviously do not have the power to do so... but neither did black South Africans in 1980.

Since you brought up Blacks, you probably have no problem with someone speaking of Latinos. Can you tell us why Latinos who are here illegally should be allowed to stay? There are millions of Latinos from Mexico and Central and South America who have snuck across our border who feel they should be made citizens here without going through legal channels.

 

[Phoenall]

Anything else,PF, GeorgePhillip? Speak up. Don't get toungue-tied.

Hossfly;

You have to be kidding.....RIGHT

This is nothing more than a propaganda piece put out by what I assume are Zionists, I say assume as I really have little other choice in the matter as there is no documentation that allows me to source either the site or the authors of the piece. I have always been suspicious of articles that are like this as in my opinion they forfeit legitimacy so I took my time and examined the site to the best of my ability. Aside from a statement of purpose which could be written by anybody there are no other references.

You may ask legitimately why then do I assume that it is a Zionist article. I do so for these reasons, first it is obviously biased towards Israel, more on this later and second because it uses language that I have typically seen used by Christian Zionists , an example of this is the fact that they constantly reference the West Bank as Judea and Samaria. As I said in my experience only Zionists do this !



Now lets deal with the article, which is misleading at best. It is right that the words RIGHT OF RETURN are not mentioned in the resolution it self, but you really cannot expect us to believe that is not what they are referring to in the first quote that they give, that would be disingenuous. Than the article goes on to equate the number of Palestinian refugees from the British Mandate to the number of Jewish Refugees from the Arab world. The scope of UN Resolution dealt with the question of the refugees in what had been known as the British Mandate and therefore to include all of the Jewish Refugees is not relevant to the discussion !

Historically there are questions that are now arising as to weather the Palestinians left there homes voluntarily. Recently released documents and revised histories tend to tell a different story. It seems as if Jewish Authorities ( Ben Gurion ) at the time of the war were talking about and through the actions of the Irgun and the IDF of CLEANSING Israeli Territories of Palestinians. If you wish to verify this just google THE NEW HISTORIANS. These actions were an intensification of the terrorist actions that were undertaken by the various Jewish Militias that took place even before the 1948 war.

The credibility of this article is again undermined in that it does not mention UN Resolution 273 in which Israel again recognizes the RIGHT OF RETURN in exchange for admission the the UN. Don't you think that the article should have mentioned that also.



PS If people wish to examine the credibility of the article they should examine also examine the links that are provided at the bottom of it. They all seem to be pro Israeli articles.
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ORIGINAL ARTICLE QUOTED BY HOSSFLY


Don't Palestinian Arabs have a Right of Return based on UN General Assembly Resolution 194?
The third session of the General Assembly refused to accept any decision altering the Partition Resolution of the preceding year, nor did it decide on ways of its implementation. Instead, on November 12, 1948, with Resolution 194 (III)it decided to set up a United Nations Conciliation Commission, reiterated the decision on internationalization of Jerusalem, and laid down several principles on the refugee question.

Since the War of Independence was still going on, most of Resolution 194 deals with seeking a diplomatic solution to the conflict, including setting up an international Conciliation Commission to mediate between the parties. The refugees are mentioned only in Article 11, which resolved:

... that the refugees wishing to return to their homes and live at peace with their neighbors should be permitted to do so at the earliest practicable date, and that compensation should be paid for the property of those choosing not to return and for loss of or damage to property which, under principles of international law or in equity, should be made good by the Governments or authorities responsible.
Article 11 also instructed the Conciliation Commission:

... to facilitate the repatriation, resettlement and economic and social rehabilitation of the refugees and the payment of compensation.
Palestinian Arabs constantly repeat claims of rights based on Resolution 194, in particular the right to return to lands that are now part of the State of Israel. That position has no basis, certainly not in Resolution 194. General Assembly resolutions, unlike those of the Security Council, are non-binding and essentially are only suggestions. Resolution 194 does not use the language of "rights" or "right of return". The resolution does not specify the nationality of the refugees; recall that the Palestinian Arab refugees, who voluntarily left Israel at the urging of their leaders, are approximately equal in number to the Jews who fled persecution from Arab countries. Any "right of return" or right to compensation is equally present in Resolution 194 for Arabs and Jews. Since the resolution also specifies that its recommendations would apply to refugees who wish "to live at peace with their neighbors," Arabs would be excluded. It was the Arabs who began the war in 1947 and they continue to be at war with Israel today.

The present-day insistance on a "Right of Return" by Palestinians is a transparent attempt to eliminate Israel by means other than war. If all the refugee Palestinian Arabs, and their descendents, are given the right to return to Israel, then Israel quickly becomes a country with a Jewish minority. The majority Arabs would put an end to Israel without delay. Therefore, any ultimate resolution of this issue will certainly be in terms of limited return (perhaps limited to the few living Arabs who actually once resided in Israel) plus a forumula of compensation for both Arabs and Jews who were displaced by events surrounding the 1948 War of Independence.

Sources and additional reading on this topic:
General Assembly Resolution 194
Resolution 194 Refugees
Camp David: Facts and Final Status Issues
UN Resolutions 194 and 242
Soap Bubble #194
Who Wants to Be a Palestinian Refugee?



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ISRAEL 1948-1967
Select Another Topic Israel's First Years ======= Law of Return UN Resolution 194 Israel's Borders Israel & Arab Countries West Bank Annexed Holy Sites Desecrated Tripartite Agreement The Early 1950s ======= Abdullah Assassination Fedayeen Qibya 1953 Egypt-Soviet Arms Deal Kfar Kassem 1956 The Sinai Campaign ====== Sinai 1956 Khan Yunis 1956 Sinai Campaign Results The PLO ====== PLO Founding Yasser Arafat PLO Activity The Six Day War of 1967 ====== Six Day War Background Start of Six Day War Six Day War Course Six Day War Result USS Liberty Settlements after 1967 UN Resolution 242 ======= Index

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define what you mean by Zionist, lets see how RACIST and ANTI EMITIC you really are ?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Anything else,PF, GeorgePhillip? Speak up. Don't get toungue-tied.

Hossfly;

You have to be kidding.....RIGHT

This is nothing more than a propaganda piece put out by what I assume are Zionists, I say assume as I really have little other choice in the matter as there is no documentation that allows me to source either the site or the authors of the piece. I have always been suspicious of articles that are like this as in my opinion they forfeit legitimacy so I took my time and examined the site to the best of my ability. Aside from a statement of purpose which could be written by anybody there are no other references.

You may ask legitimately why then do I assume that it is a Zionist article. I do so for these reasons, first it is obviously biased towards Israel, more on this later and second because it uses language that I have typically seen used by Christian Zionists , an example of this is the fact that they constantly reference the West Bank as Judea and Samaria. As I said in my experience only Zionists do this !



Now lets deal with the article, which is misleading at best. It is right that the words RIGHT OF RETURN are not mentioned in the resolution it self, but you really cannot expect us to believe that is not what they are referring to in the first quote that they give, that would be disingenuous. Than the article goes on to equate the number of Palestinian refugees from the British Mandate to the number of Jewish Refugees from the Arab world. The scope of UN Resolution dealt with the question of the refugees in what had been known as the British Mandate and therefore to include all of the Jewish Refugees is not relevant to the discussion !

Historically there are questions that are now arising as to weather the Palestinians left there homes voluntarily. Recently released documents and revised histories tend to tell a different story. It seems as if Jewish Authorities ( Ben Gurion ) at the time of the war were talking about and through the actions of the Irgun and the IDF of CLEANSING Israeli Territories of Palestinians. If you wish to verify this just google THE NEW HISTORIANS. These actions were an intensification of the terrorist actions that were undertaken by the various Jewish Militias that took place even before the 1948 war.

The credibility of this article is again undermined in that it does not mention UN Resolution 273 in which Israel again recognizes the RIGHT OF RETURN in exchange for admission the the UN. Don't you think that the article should have mentioned that also.



PS If people wish to examine the credibility of the article they should examine also examine the links that are provided at the bottom of it. They all seem to be pro Israeli articles.
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ORIGINAL ARTICLE QUOTED BY HOSSFLY


Don't Palestinian Arabs have a Right of Return based on UN General Assembly Resolution 194?
The third session of the General Assembly refused to accept any decision altering the Partition Resolution of the preceding year, nor did it decide on ways of its implementation. Instead, on November 12, 1948, with Resolution 194 (III)it decided to set up a United Nations Conciliation Commission, reiterated the decision on internationalization of Jerusalem, and laid down several principles on the refugee question.

Since the War of Independence was still going on, most of Resolution 194 deals with seeking a diplomatic solution to the conflict, including setting up an international Conciliation Commission to mediate between the parties. The refugees are mentioned only in Article 11, which resolved:

... that the refugees wishing to return to their homes and live at peace with their neighbors should be permitted to do so at the earliest practicable date, and that compensation should be paid for the property of those choosing not to return and for loss of or damage to property which, under principles of international law or in equity, should be made good by the Governments or authorities responsible.
Article 11 also instructed the Conciliation Commission:

... to facilitate the repatriation, resettlement and economic and social rehabilitation of the refugees and the payment of compensation.
Palestinian Arabs constantly repeat claims of rights based on Resolution 194, in particular the right to return to lands that are now part of the State of Israel. That position has no basis, certainly not in Resolution 194. General Assembly resolutions, unlike those of the Security Council, are non-binding and essentially are only suggestions. Resolution 194 does not use the language of "rights" or "right of return". The resolution does not specify the nationality of the refugees; recall that the Palestinian Arab refugees, who voluntarily left Israel at the urging of their leaders, are approximately equal in number to the Jews who fled persecution from Arab countries. Any "right of return" or right to compensation is equally present in Resolution 194 for Arabs and Jews. Since the resolution also specifies that its recommendations would apply to refugees who wish "to live at peace with their neighbors," Arabs would be excluded. It was the Arabs who began the war in 1947 and they continue to be at war with Israel today.

The present-day insistance on a "Right of Return" by Palestinians is a transparent attempt to eliminate Israel by means other than war. If all the refugee Palestinian Arabs, and their descendents, are given the right to return to Israel, then Israel quickly becomes a country with a Jewish minority. The majority Arabs would put an end to Israel without delay. Therefore, any ultimate resolution of this issue will certainly be in terms of limited return (perhaps limited to the few living Arabs who actually once resided in Israel) plus a forumula of compensation for both Arabs and Jews who were displaced by events surrounding the 1948 War of Independence.

Sources and additional reading on this topic:
General Assembly Resolution 194
Resolution 194 Refugees
Camp David: Facts and Final Status Issues
UN Resolutions 194 and 242
Soap Bubble #194
Who Wants to Be a Palestinian Refugee?



MORE ON
ISRAEL 1948-1967
Select Another Topic Israel's First Years ======= Law of Return UN Resolution 194 Israel's Borders Israel & Arab Countries West Bank Annexed Holy Sites Desecrated Tripartite Agreement The Early 1950s ======= Abdullah Assassination Fedayeen Qibya 1953 Egypt-Soviet Arms Deal Kfar Kassem 1956 The Sinai Campaign ====== Sinai 1956 Khan Yunis 1956 Sinai Campaign Results The PLO ====== PLO Founding Yasser Arafat PLO Activity The Six Day War of 1967 ====== Six Day War Background Start of Six Day War Six Day War Course Six Day War Result USS Liberty Settlements after 1967 UN Resolution 242 ======= Index

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define what you mean by Zionist, lets see how RACIST and ANTI EMITIC you really are ?

Let a Jew explain it. From 7:10 - 9:40

 

[Hollie]

Let the Jordanians explain it.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Let the Jordanians explain it.

Uhhh, those are Palestinians.

Besides that, good link.

 

[Hollie]

Let the Jordanians explain it.

Uhhh, those are Palestinians.

Besides that, good link.

Umm. Jordan has extensive internment camps to house its Black September guests.

Besides that, good luck with Egypt, Syria and Jordan ever granting the right of return for hordes of the invented Pal'istanians.

 

[Phoenall]

Anything else,PF, GeorgePhillip? Speak up. Don't get toungue-tied.

Hossfly;

You have to be kidding.....RIGHT

This is nothing more than a propaganda piece put out by what I assume are Zionists, I say assume as I really have little other choice in the matter as there is no documentation that allows me to source either the site or the authors of the piece. I have always been suspicious of articles that are like this as in my opinion they forfeit legitimacy so I took my time and examined the site to the best of my ability. Aside from a statement of purpose which could be written by anybody there are no other references.

You may ask legitimately why then do I assume that it is a Zionist article. I do so for these reasons, first it is obviously biased towards Israel, more on this later and second because it uses language that I have typically seen used by Christian Zionists , an example of this is the fact that they constantly reference the West Bank as Judea and Samaria. As I said in my experience only Zionists do this !



Now lets deal with the article, which is misleading at best. It is right that the words RIGHT OF RETURN are not mentioned in the resolution it self, but you really cannot expect us to believe that is not what they are referring to in the first quote that they give, that would be disingenuous. Than the article goes on to equate the number of Palestinian refugees from the British Mandate to the number of Jewish Refugees from the Arab world. The scope of UN Resolution dealt with the question of the refugees in what had been known as the British Mandate and therefore to include all of the Jewish Refugees is not relevant to the discussion !

Historically there are questions that are now arising as to weather the Palestinians left there homes voluntarily. Recently released documents and revised histories tend to tell a different story. It seems as if Jewish Authorities ( Ben Gurion ) at the time of the war were talking about and through the actions of the Irgun and the IDF of CLEANSING Israeli Territories of Palestinians. If you wish to verify this just google THE NEW HISTORIANS. These actions were an intensification of the terrorist actions that were undertaken by the various Jewish Militias that took place even before the 1948 war.

The credibility of this article is again undermined in that it does not mention UN Resolution 273 in which Israel again recognizes the RIGHT OF RETURN in exchange for admission the the UN. Don't you think that the article should have mentioned that also.



PS If people wish to examine the credibility of the article they should examine also examine the links that are provided at the bottom of it. They all seem to be pro Israeli articles.
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ORIGINAL ARTICLE QUOTED BY HOSSFLY


Don't Palestinian Arabs have a Right of Return based on UN General Assembly Resolution 194?
The third session of the General Assembly refused to accept any decision altering the Partition Resolution of the preceding year, nor did it decide on ways of its implementation. Instead, on November 12, 1948, with Resolution 194 (III)it decided to set up a United Nations Conciliation Commission, reiterated the decision on internationalization of Jerusalem, and laid down several principles on the refugee question.

Since the War of Independence was still going on, most of Resolution 194 deals with seeking a diplomatic solution to the conflict, including setting up an international Conciliation Commission to mediate between the parties. The refugees are mentioned only in Article 11, which resolved:

... that the refugees wishing to return to their homes and live at peace with their neighbors should be permitted to do so at the earliest practicable date, and that compensation should be paid for the property of those choosing not to return and for loss of or damage to property which, under principles of international law or in equity, should be made good by the Governments or authorities responsible.
Article 11 also instructed the Conciliation Commission:

... to facilitate the repatriation, resettlement and economic and social rehabilitation of the refugees and the payment of compensation.
Palestinian Arabs constantly repeat claims of rights based on Resolution 194, in particular the right to return to lands that are now part of the State of Israel. That position has no basis, certainly not in Resolution 194. General Assembly resolutions, unlike those of the Security Council, are non-binding and essentially are only suggestions. Resolution 194 does not use the language of "rights" or "right of return". The resolution does not specify the nationality of the refugees; recall that the Palestinian Arab refugees, who voluntarily left Israel at the urging of their leaders, are approximately equal in number to the Jews who fled persecution from Arab countries. Any "right of return" or right to compensation is equally present in Resolution 194 for Arabs and Jews. Since the resolution also specifies that its recommendations would apply to refugees who wish "to live at peace with their neighbors," Arabs would be excluded. It was the Arabs who began the war in 1947 and they continue to be at war with Israel today.

The present-day insistance on a "Right of Return" by Palestinians is a transparent attempt to eliminate Israel by means other than war. If all the refugee Palestinian Arabs, and their descendents, are given the right to return to Israel, then Israel quickly becomes a country with a Jewish minority. The majority Arabs would put an end to Israel without delay. Therefore, any ultimate resolution of this issue will certainly be in terms of limited return (perhaps limited to the few living Arabs who actually once resided in Israel) plus a forumula of compensation for both Arabs and Jews who were displaced by events surrounding the 1948 War of Independence.

Sources and additional reading on this topic:
General Assembly Resolution 194
Resolution 194 Refugees
Camp David: Facts and Final Status Issues
UN Resolutions 194 and 242
Soap Bubble #194
Who Wants to Be a Palestinian Refugee?



MORE ON
ISRAEL 1948-1967
Select Another Topic Israel's First Years ======= Law of Return UN Resolution 194 Israel's Borders Israel & Arab Countries West Bank Annexed Holy Sites Desecrated Tripartite Agreement The Early 1950s ======= Abdullah Assassination Fedayeen Qibya 1953 Egypt-Soviet Arms Deal Kfar Kassem 1956 The Sinai Campaign ====== Sinai 1956 Khan Yunis 1956 Sinai Campaign Results The PLO ====== PLO Founding Yasser Arafat PLO Activity The Six Day War of 1967 ====== Six Day War Background Start of Six Day War Six Day War Course Six Day War Result USS Liberty Settlements after 1967 UN Resolution 242 ======= Index

PALESTINE FACTS
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define what you mean by Zionist, lets see how RACIST and ANTI EMITIC you really are ?

Let a Jew explain it. From 7:10 - 9:40

Any idiot can post another persons views as if they are their own, it takes a brave man to post his personal views.

And this has been shown to be bogus many times in the past, and still you trot it out, I could counter with thousands if not million of other peoples views saying the opposite.

 

[Phoenall]

Let the Jordanians explain it.

Uhhh, those are Palestinians.

Besides that, good link.

Are you saying they cant be Zionists, like the hundreds of millions of other non Jewish Zionists out there ?

Remember Zionism is not a religion or a cult it is a political ideology that must be listened to