Right of return

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    I want my great grandfather's property in Belarus.

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    Anything else,PF, GeorgePhillip? Speak up. Don't get toungue-tied.
     
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    Checks in the mail.
     
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    When they raise Leon Klinghoffer from the grave, we'll talk,

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    It wouldn't work....besides, it says.........

    "... that the refugees wishing to return to their homes and live at peace with their neighbors should be permitted to do so at the earliest practicable date, and that compensation should be paid for the property of those choosing not to return and for loss of or damage to property which, under principles of international law or in equity, should be made good by the Governments or authorities responsible."

    Pals wouldn't know how to do the "live at peace" part!
     
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    Hossfly;

    You have to be kidding.....RIGHT

    This is nothing more than a propaganda piece put out by what I assume are Zionists, I say assume as I really have little other choice in the matter as there is no documentation that allows me to source either the site or the authors of the piece. I have always been suspicious of articles that are like this as in my opinion they forfeit legitimacy so I took my time and examined the site to the best of my ability. Aside from a statement of purpose which could be written by anybody there are no other references.

    You may ask legitimately why then do I assume that it is a Zionist article. I do so for these reasons, first it is obviously biased towards Israel, more on this later and second because it uses language that I have typically seen used by Christian Zionists , an example of this is the fact that they constantly reference the West Bank as Judea and Samaria. As I said in my experience only Zionists do this !



    Now lets deal with the article, which is misleading at best. It is right that the words RIGHT OF RETURN are not mentioned in the resolution it self, but you really cannot expect us to believe that is not what they are referring to in the first quote that they give, that would be disingenuous. Than the article goes on to equate the number of Palestinian refugees from the British Mandate to the number of Jewish Refugees from the Arab world. The scope of UN Resolution dealt with the question of the refugees in what had been known as the British Mandate and therefore to include all of the Jewish Refugees is not relevant to the discussion !

    Historically there are questions that are now arising as to weather the Palestinians left there homes voluntarily. Recently released documents and revised histories tend to tell a different story. It seems as if Jewish Authorities ( Ben Gurion ) at the time of the war were talking about and through the actions of the Irgun and the IDF of CLEANSING Israeli Territories of Palestinians. If you wish to verify this just google THE NEW HISTORIANS. These actions were an intensification of the terrorist actions that were undertaken by the various Jewish Militias that took place even before the 1948 war.

    The credibility of this article is again undermined in that it does not mention UN Resolution 273 in which Israel again recognizes the RIGHT OF RETURN in exchange for admission the the UN. Don't you think that the article should have mentioned that also.



    PS If people wish to examine the credibility of the article they should examine also examine the links that are provided at the bottom of it. They all seem to be pro Israeli articles.
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    ORIGINAL ARTICLE QUOTED BY HOSSFLY


    Don't Palestinian Arabs have a Right of Return based on UN General Assembly Resolution 194?
    The third session of the General Assembly refused to accept any decision altering the Partition Resolution of the preceding year, nor did it decide on ways of its implementation. Instead, on November 12, 1948, with Resolution 194 (III)it decided to set up a United Nations Conciliation Commission, reiterated the decision on internationalization of Jerusalem, and laid down several principles on the refugee question.

    Since the War of Independence was still going on, most of Resolution 194 deals with seeking a diplomatic solution to the conflict, including setting up an international Conciliation Commission to mediate between the parties. The refugees are mentioned only in Article 11, which resolved:

    ... that the refugees wishing to return to their homes and live at peace with their neighbors should be permitted to do so at the earliest practicable date, and that compensation should be paid for the property of those choosing not to return and for loss of or damage to property which, under principles of international law or in equity, should be made good by the Governments or authorities responsible.
    Article 11 also instructed the Conciliation Commission:

    ... to facilitate the repatriation, resettlement and economic and social rehabilitation of the refugees and the payment of compensation.
    Palestinian Arabs constantly repeat claims of rights based on Resolution 194, in particular the right to return to lands that are now part of the State of Israel. That position has no basis, certainly not in Resolution 194. General Assembly resolutions, unlike those of the Security Council, are non-binding and essentially are only suggestions. Resolution 194 does not use the language of "rights" or "right of return". The resolution does not specify the nationality of the refugees; recall that the Palestinian Arab refugees, who voluntarily left Israel at the urging of their leaders, are approximately equal in number to the Jews who fled persecution from Arab countries. Any "right of return" or right to compensation is equally present in Resolution 194 for Arabs and Jews. Since the resolution also specifies that its recommendations would apply to refugees who wish "to live at peace with their neighbors," Arabs would be excluded. It was the Arabs who began the war in 1947 and they continue to be at war with Israel today.

    The present-day insistance on a "Right of Return" by Palestinians is a transparent attempt to eliminate Israel by means other than war. If all the refugee Palestinian Arabs, and their descendents, are given the right to return to Israel, then Israel quickly becomes a country with a Jewish minority. The majority Arabs would put an end to Israel without delay. Therefore, any ultimate resolution of this issue will certainly be in terms of limited return (perhaps limited to the few living Arabs who actually once resided in Israel) plus a forumula of compensation for both Arabs and Jews who were displaced by events surrounding the 1948 War of Independence.

    Sources and additional reading on this topic:
    General Assembly Resolution 194
    Resolution 194 Refugees
    Camp David: Facts and Final Status Issues
    UN Resolutions 194 and 242
    Soap Bubble #194
    Who Wants to Be a Palestinian Refugee?



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