Ridiculous Seperation Of Church And State

AMERICA IS FREEDOM TAKEN TO THE RIDICULOUS EXTREME!

Hitler thought the same thing about Germany in 1932. Then he did something about it. And enlisted people like you to help him.
 
Gabriella84 said:
Hitler thought the same thing about Germany in 1932. Then he did something about it. And enlisted people like you to help him.

YESSSSSSSSSSSSS! THERE IT IS! When libs can't win an argument they bring up Hitler and the Nazis, its the weakest argument known to man. But hey anyway you go to Berkeley, you don't know any better.
 
OCA said:
That we stop trying to distance ourselves from these things and embrace them. Enough removal of things from the public square and bring prayer back into public schools.

You pitched a hissy when the federal government tried to intrude into the Schaivo case, but you think it would be just dandy if Uncle Sugar forced all of us to live our lives as Christians. I don't even have to say hypocrite. For the record; public square, yes...public schools, no.
 
MissileMan said:
While it may be a majority of Americans think that homosexuality and abortion are wrong, it's not even close to unanimous. Since neither of those things are illegal, you're just going to have to get used to them being around. You have choices available to you. You can elect to not associate with homosexuals and elect to not watch shows or read books with homosexual themes. You can also elect to not have an abortion.

But I'll ask you again, since the 10 commandments are well represented in our laws, what more do you think is necessary?

Hey missle you don't think that the 70-30 average winning margin for the 11 states that voted against gay marriage is a majority? What you think thats gonna change in other states?
 
MissileMan said:
You pitched a hissy when the federal government tried to intrude into the Schaivo case, but you think it would be just dandy if Uncle Sugar forced all of us to live our lives as Christians. I don't even have to say hypocrite. For the record; public square, yes...public schools, no.

Lets see, pre 1970, prayer in schools, no school shootings ever......after prayer taken out numerous school shootings and disrespect for authority on a massive scale....I think its obvious.

As for federal intervention.....no, I don't think courts ought to be the ones to enforce it but I do think that the pres and whoever else ought to quit cowtowing to leftists and say its a damn good idea!

Anyway Schiavo and school prayer are apples and oranges, ones a family matter the other is just damn good sense.
 
OCA said:
Hey missle you don't think that the 70-30 average winning margin for the 11 states that voted against gay marriage is a majority? What you think thats gonna change in other states?

Read it again. I said that it was a majority. I also said that it was not unanimous. That's what makes this such a great country...the 30% is protected from the 70%. I wonder what the numbers would be if the question were whether or not to classify homosexuality a felony. And I bet that the 70% would dwindle if the question was whether to allow homosexuals to enter into a legally binding civil union.
 
MissileMan said:
Read it again. I said that it was a majority. I also said that it was not unanimous. That's what makes this such a great country...the 30% is protected from the 70%. I wonder what the numbers would be if the question were whether or not to classify homosexuality a felony. And I bet that the 70% would dwindle if the question was whether to allow homosexuals to enter into a legally binding civil union.

A felony, probably so. Lets take a vote on whether it should be classified as deviant, the numbers will rise.

Anyway what should the 30% be protected from? Theirselves? lol
 
OCA said:
Lets see, pre 1970, prayer in schools, no school shootings ever......after prayer taken out numerous school shootings and disrespect for authority on a massive scale....I think its obvious.

As for federal intervention.....no, I don't think courts ought to be the ones to enforce it but I do think that the pres and whoever else ought to quit cowtowing to leftists and say its a damn good idea!

Anyway Schiavo and school prayer are apples and oranges, ones a family matter the other is just damn good sense.

I don't know where you went to school, but there was never a prayer offered up in my mid-60s classes. We never had any school shootings either. And if lack of a school prayer were the real reason why, then there would have been more than just the handful that have occurred.

As for disrespect for authority, the blame is clearly on parents. Properly raised children don't have disciplinary problems unless they have some kind of medical problem.
 
MissileMan said:
I don't know where you went to school, but there was never a prayer offered up in my mid-60s classes. We never had any school shootings either. And if lack of a school prayer were the real reason why, then there would have been more than just the handful that have occurred.

As for disrespect for authority, the blame is clearly on parents. Properly raised children don't have disciplinary problems unless they have some kind of medical problem.

Yeah parents are to blame somewhat but so is society, we've bent over backwards not to hurt this fruitcake groups feelings or this fruitcake groups feelings or, well, we can't celebrate xmas now in school because it will upset the Jews and others, I mean when do we stand up for what is obviously right and squelch all this other crap? Xmas is a religious holiday, homosexuality lifestyle choice is dangerous and wrong, if your a black trenchcoat wearing freak your ass needs to be locked up and monitored before you smoke your classmates. These are just examples. America needs to toughen up.
 
OCA said:
Lets see, pre 1970, prayer in schools, no school shootings ever......after prayer taken out numerous school shootings and disrespect for authority on a massive scale....I think its obvious.

Can you demonstrate a causal link?
 
OCA said:
You see liberals like to try and muddle the conversation with forked roads(and tongues) and use big words because they think if they can get you going in several different convoluted directions at once you won't discover that they have no point at all.

It's not a Republican vs Democrat or liberal vs conservative problem . It's an American problem.

And just to help you understand, I'll stick to little words from now on.
 
OCA said:
Yeah parents are to blame somewhat but so is society, we've bent over backwards not to hurt this fruitcake groups feelings or this fruitcake groups feelings or, well, we can't celebrate xmas now in school because it will upset the Jews and others, I mean when do we stand up for what is obviously right and squelch all this other crap? Xmas is a religious holiday, homosexuality lifestyle choice is dangerous and wrong, if your a black trenchcoat wearing freak your ass needs to be locked up and monitored before you smoke your classmates. These are just examples. America needs to toughen up.

Noone's ever accused me of being PC, I've always called a spade "a spade". I'm against the wholesale removal of traditional, historic relgious symbols as much as I am against prayer in public school. I'm also against efforts to discriminate against people simply because they don't have the same moral values.
 
MissileMan said:
Noone's ever accused me of being PC, I've always called a spade "a spade". I'm against the wholesale removal of traditional, historic relgious symbols as much as I am against prayer in public school. I'm also against efforts to discriminate against people simply because they don't have the same moral values.

So you think it is just fine to "tolerate" bad morals - just because they are not "the same" as yours? You're the typical lib that thinks spreading abortion and homosexuality and widespread porn is "progressive". What makes you think those kind of things are "progressive" and good for society?

All around you society is falling apart due to the "liberal" and "progressive" ideas that have flourished for the past 40 years, ever since the "sexual revolution" started in the sixties - which was a mini-communist bonanza period btw.

You say you believe in "individual responsibility". How is that to happen if an individual has no moral code? If there are no societal restraints? Without a societal moral code, anything goes, and as a result our shining American experiment becomes fatally sick and eventually dies down the drain of history.

We've got you mushbrain libs to thank for that. You libs live in the twilight zone of relativity because you have no moral backbone. You will allow our country to fall because you don't have the cajones to stand up for right and wrong.
 
ScreamingEagle said:
So you think it is just fine to "tolerate" bad morals - just because they are not "the same" as yours? You're the typical lib that thinks spreading abortion and homosexuality and widespread porn is "progressive". What makes you think those kind of things are "progressive" and good for society?

You apparently have a reading disorder, so I'm not sure if this explanation is going to do you any good or not, but I'll give it a shot.

1. I said different morals, not bad morals. We have laws that determine what is acceptable. There are always going to be differences of opinion as to whether the laws are sufficient or not. As long as someone actions are legal, it really doesn't matter what anyone thinks of it.

2. I'm as much a liberal as you are a satanist. I have advocated 1st trimester only abortions, after that the woman should carry to term unless her life is in danger or a very serious birth defect is confirmed. Because I believe that homosexuals are born that way, I have advocated awareness of and tolerance for homosexuals being introduced into schools. I'm not worried about some epidemic of homosexuality because common sense dictates that if you are born straight that you'll only be attracted to members of the opposite sex. As far as porn goes, if it's kept away from kids, who cares?

3. You like to throw the lib label on anyone who doesn't follow the ultraconservative religious dogma. I defy you to find a post where I've said an increase in abortion would be "progressive". You won't be able to, so don't bother trying.


ScreamingEagle said:
You say you believe in "individual responsibility". How is that to happen if an individual has no moral code? If there are no societal restraints? Without a societal moral code, anything goes, and as a result our shining American experiment becomes fatally sick and eventually dies down the drain of history.

You don't have to be Christian or religious to have a moral code. And as previously stated, we have laws that determine what is socially acceptable.

ScreamingEagle said:
We've got you mushbrain libs to thank for that. You libs live in the twilight zone of relativity because you have no moral backbone. You will allow our country to fall because you don't have the cajones to stand up for right and wrong.

Ummmm.... :finger:
 
2. I'm as much a liberal as you are a satanist. I have advocated 1st trimester only abortions, after that the woman should carry to term unless her life is in danger or a very serious birth defect is confirmed. Because I believe that homosexuals are born that way, I have advocated awareness of and tolerance for homosexuals being introduced into schools. I'm not worried about some epidemic of homosexuality because common sense dictates that if you are born straight that you'll only be attracted to members of the opposite sex. As far as porn goes, if it's kept away from kids, who cares?
( quote from missileman)

Born that way?....well science would disagree with you...the only close resemblance would be hermaphrodites....they have both male and female productive parts....they can and will be excused...as for the rest it is a pure and simple choice....ultimate masturbation if you will...! This falls into the category of being sexually immature as well as socially...Michael Jackson could be cited as a perfect example! :wank:
 
Archangel, you make some extremely good points. But I am starting to wonder about your conservative thought process, since you seem willing to examine both sides of controversial and divisive issues.

YESSSSSSSSSSSSS! THERE IT IS! When libs can't win an argument they bring up Hitler and the Nazis, its the weakest argument known to man. But hey anyway you go to Berkeley, you don't know any better.


YESSSSSSSSSSSSS! THERE IT IS! When conservatives can't win an argument they resort to flaming and personal insults, its the weakest argument known to man. But hey anyway you are simple minded, you don't know any better.
 
Gabriella84 said:
Archangel, you make some extremely good points. But I am starting to wonder about your conservative thought process, since you seem willing to examine both sides of controversial and divisive issues.




YESSSSSSSSSSSSS! THERE IT IS! When conservatives can't win an argument they resort to flaming and personal insults, its the weakest argument known to man. But hey anyway you are simple minded, you don't know any better.



This is not a quote of mine...please state who's it was...also...I am neither Republican or Democrat....I am a registered Conservative Independent....I examine all sides,but defer to logic and what is best for the country I served... and still serve and love! Long live the "American Independent Party" most have "been there and done that" :whip3:
 
MissileMan said:
You apparently have a reading disorder, so I'm not sure if this explanation is going to do you any good or not, but I'll give it a shot.

1. I said different morals, not bad morals. We have laws that determine what is acceptable. There are always going to be differences of opinion as to whether the laws are sufficient or not. As long as someone actions are legal, it really doesn't matter what anyone thinks of it.

No reading disorder - I know you said "different" morals. This is where you and we conservatives totally disagree. You slide into your "moral relativism" mode while we conservatives know the difference between right and wrong. We are not immune to the human condition, but abortion, homosexuality, and porn have NEVER been proven to help society overall.

It is the ACLU commie types who argue in the courts that everybody has a right to their special minority morals. EVEN if these morals should destroy our country. If you haven't realized it yet, the far Left is out to destroy America and this is one way they are doing it.

MissileMan said:
2. I'm as much a liberal as you are a satanist. I have advocated 1st trimester only abortions, after that the woman should carry to term unless her life is in danger or a very serious birth defect is confirmed. Because I believe that homosexuals are born that way, I have advocated awareness of and tolerance for homosexuals being introduced into schools. I'm not worried about some epidemic of homosexuality because common sense dictates that if you are born straight that you'll only be attracted to members of the opposite sex. As far as porn goes, if it's kept away from kids, who cares?

Glad to hear you are a conservative in the making. We conservatives are not advocating the destruction of homosexuals or women who get pregnant at the wrong time. God made us all and compassion is good but there are other approaches to these problems of life than making them legal. You ask "who cares" about porn? We conservatives do. Society must aim to lift Man up, not bring him down into the gutter. Porn and the accompanying moral wasteland is everywhere today and our children are being tempted, even encouraged, to roll in the gutter rather than reach for their highest and best.

MissileMan said:
3. You like to throw the lib label on anyone who doesn't follow the ultraconservative religious dogma. I defy you to find a post where I've said an increase in abortion would be "progressive". You won't be able to, so don't bother trying.

OK, so you know abortion is not a "progressive" thing. So why do you support it? Even if just through the first trimester. The principle is the same, the woman is still pregnant with child.

MissileMan said:
You don't have to be Christian or religious to have a moral code. And as previously stated, we have laws that determine what is socially acceptable.

I agree that you don't have to be a Christian or religious to have a moral code, I never said you did. I'm sure there are non-religious people who have good morals and they do not tolerate abortions, homo marriage, or porn. Good morals support what is good for man and society. Bad morals don't.

MissileMan said:
Ummmm.... :finger:
Guess my points got to you. Moral relativism is what libs believe in. It is the quicksand that will suck down America.

If you are NOT a lib, then you know that allowing free abortions harms society and children. There is no middle course. Individual responsibility begins before sex occurs, not after the 3rd month of pregnancy.

If you are NOT a lib, then you know that loving a homosexual as a person who has a problem is OK, but allowing homsexuals to warp society's marriage structure is wrong.

If you are NOT a lib, then you know that pornography degrades humanity and weakens society and you stand against it.
 
ScreamingEagle said:
No reading disorder - I know you said "different" morals. This is where you and we conservatives totally disagree. You slide into your "moral relativism" mode while we conservatives know the difference between right and wrong. We are not immune to the human condition, but abortion, homosexuality, and porn have NEVER been proven to help society overall.

Same old shit! You're the only authority on what's right and what's wrong. :rolleyes:

ScreamingEagle said:
Glad to hear you are a conservative in the making. We conservatives are not advocating the destruction of homosexuals or women who get pregnant at the wrong time. God made us all and compassion is good but there are other approaches to these problems of life than making them legal. You ask "who cares" about porn? We conservatives do. Society must aim to lift Man up, not bring him down into the gutter. Porn and the accompanying moral wasteland is everywhere today and our children are being tempted, even encouraged, to roll in the gutter rather than reach for their highest and best.

You misread a post again. Have you had your eyes checked lately?
I very clearly stated "if it's kept away from kids". So if an ADULT chooses to watch some porn, what do you care? What if they don't share the smae puritanical views on sex as you do? What if it's a happily married husband and wife who use it to enhance their marriage? You seem to have a hard time grasping the fact that the whole world doesn't share your morals...ain't that a bitch?



ScreamingEagle said:
OK, so you know abortion is not a "progressive" thing. So why do you support it? Even if just through the first trimester. The principle is the same, the woman is still pregnant with child.

A woman's body is her domain. I believe a certain amount of development must take place before a fetus is a human being. Also, your God performs way more abortions than all of the abortion clinics combined...in at least 15% of all pregnancies, the woman miscarries.
 
MissileMan said:
Same old shit! You're the only authority on what's right and what's wrong. :rolleyes:



You misread a post again. Have you had your eyes checked lately?
I very clearly stated "if it's kept away from kids". So if an ADULT chooses to watch some porn, what do you care? What if they don't share the smae puritanical views on sex as you do? What if it's a happily married husband and wife who use it to enhance their marriage? You seem to have a hard time grasping the fact that the whole world doesn't share your morals...ain't that a bitch?





A woman's body is her domain. I believe a certain amount of development must take place before a fetus is a human being. Also, your God performs way more abortions than all of the abortion clinics combined...in at least 15% of all pregnancies, the woman miscarries.



I'm not quite sure where you got this 15%figure...not going to waste my time asking for a link...however please take the time to show the difference between the percentage of miscarriages caused by illness,disease and pure simple neglect on the mothers part...your numbers are cute but by no means accurate....! :blah2:
 

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